How to respond when kid gets into school and is Legacy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whose the crazy person who thinks legacy is a huge boost?

Um, anyone who has read any of the widely available statistical analyses done on data that is now public? Are you numerically illiterate?

We aren’t talking about the historical data over the past few decades, recent data shows that legacy nothing more than a tiebreaker, if that.

Even if what you are saying was true (which it is not for a double legacy), you seem to have some logic problems. When we know a double legacy kid got in, that is why. The fact that many legacies don’t get in is immaterial. If anything, it points to the difficulty of admission generally; this only underscores the point that the double legacy who did get in would have been rejected “but for” legacy status.

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One thing that has been eye-opening in this thread is the rank numerical illiteracy on display from the legacy parents.

Again, if you have data from post covid admission cycles to support your point, please cite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whose the crazy person who thinks legacy is a huge boost?

Um, anyone who has read any of the widely available statistical analyses done on data that is now public? Are you numerically illiterate?

We aren’t talking about the historical data over the past few decades, recent data shows that legacy nothing more than a tiebreaker, if that.

Even if what you are saying was true (which it is not for a double legacy), you seem to have some logic problems. When we know a double legacy kid got in, that is why. The fact that many legacies don’t get in is immaterial. If anything, it points to the difficulty of admission generally; this only underscores the point that the double legacy who did get in would have been rejected “but for” legacy status.

+1

One thing that has been eye-opening in this thread is the rank numerical illiteracy on display from the legacy parents.

Again, if you have data from post covid admission cycles to support your point, please cite.

I think that’s actually on you? You are the one insisting the data we have that shows a significant advantage for legacy is no longer relevant. Please cite the sources that demonstrate that legacy has no or minimal impact on admissions post-covid, since that is your position.

[Anonymous]

Be proud of your acceptance and don’t let anyone downplay it because of legacy status. Jealous parents and kids will try to knock your admissions. Just smile and celebrate more. If they are friends they will be happy for you. If not, let them cry harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son got into a top school EA. It was the school where dh and I attended. He is a top student in all respects, hard worker, great stats/rigor, leadership, community service, etc. And none of this was pushed/curated by us, he really drove it all (including applications), and we are really proud of him.

A couple of kids from school who got rejected said “oh but your parents went there” like that’s the only reason he got in. I know it helps that we did, of course, but his stats match the student population, it’s not like he was pulled up despite bad grades/scores. We aren’t big benefactors either, it’s not like the school would see big donations in our history.

So how to respond if someone says that?

Lots of students likely had stats that "match the student population" so your kiddo isn't special. And he got a push from his legacy. That's not fair, is it? So, I suggest you shut it and just accept the reasonable criticism.

Legacy admission should be the first thing to go, imo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whose the crazy person who thinks legacy is a huge boost?

Um, anyone who has read any of the widely available statistical analyses done on data that is now public? Are you numerically illiterate?

We aren’t talking about the historical data over the past few decades, recent data shows that legacy nothing more than a tiebreaker, if that.

Even if what you are saying was true (which it is not for a double legacy), you seem to have some logic problems. When we know a double legacy kid got in, that is why. The fact that many legacies don’t get in is immaterial. If anything, it points to the difficulty of admission generally; this only underscores the point that the double legacy who did get in would have been rejected “but for” legacy status.

+1

One thing that has been eye-opening in this thread is the rank numerical illiteracy on display from the legacy parents.

Again, if you have data from post covid admission cycles to support your point, please cite.

I think that’s actually on you? You are the one insisting the data we have that shows a significant advantage for legacy is no longer relevant. Please cite the sources that demonstrate that legacy has no or minimal impact on admissions post-covid, since that is your position.

You (collectively) are claiming you are making the data driven argument. Surely you have the recent data to support it. I have two kids at a feeder private and have anecdotally seen lots of legacy rejections post covid, particularly at the Ivies and Duke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whose the crazy person who thinks legacy is a huge boost?

Um, anyone who has read any of the widely available statistical analyses done on data that is now public? Are you numerically illiterate?

We aren’t talking about the historical data over the past few decades, recent data shows that legacy nothing more than a tiebreaker, if that.

Even if what you are saying was true (which it is not for a double legacy), you seem to have some logic problems. When we know a double legacy kid got in, that is why. The fact that many legacies don’t get in is immaterial. If anything, it points to the difficulty of admission generally; this only underscores the point that the double legacy who did get in would have been rejected “but for” legacy status.

+1

One thing that has been eye-opening in this thread is the rank numerical illiteracy on display from the legacy parents.

Again, if you have data from post covid admission cycles to support your point, please cite.

I think that’s actually on you? You are the one insisting the data we have that shows a significant advantage for legacy is no longer relevant. Please cite the sources that demonstrate that legacy has no or minimal impact on admissions post-covid, since that is your position.

You (collectively) are claiming you are making the data driven argument. Surely you have the recent data to support it. I have two kids at a feeder private and have anecdotally seen lots of legacy rejections post covid, particularly at the Ivies and Duke.

So what? There were lots of legacy rejections pre-COVID, too. And it’s not as if legacies are the only ones being rejected these days. Everyone is getting rejected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Be proud of your acceptance and don’t let anyone downplay it because of legacy status. Jealous parents and kids will try to knock your admissions. Just smile and celebrate more. If they are friends they will be happy for you. If not, let them cry harder.

It’s always so interesting to see parents who probably consider themselves good liberals become absolutely Ayn Randian when faced with the mere idea of leveling the playing field.

Why are you so obsessed not letting your kids understand just how much they benefit from a significantly uneven playing field?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whose the crazy person who thinks legacy is a huge boost?

Um, anyone who has read any of the widely available statistical analyses done on data that is now public? Are you numerically illiterate?

We aren’t talking about the historical data over the past few decades, recent data shows that legacy nothing more than a tiebreaker, if that.

Even if what you are saying was true (which it is not for a double legacy), you seem to have some logic problems. When we know a double legacy kid got in, that is why. The fact that many legacies don’t get in is immaterial. If anything, it points to the difficulty of admission generally; this only underscores the point that the double legacy who did get in would have been rejected “but for” legacy status.

+1

One thing that has been eye-opening in this thread is the rank numerical illiteracy on display from the legacy parents.

Again, if you have data from post covid admission cycles to support your point, please cite.

I think that’s actually on you? You are the one insisting the data we have that shows a significant advantage for legacy is no longer relevant. Please cite the sources that demonstrate that legacy has no or minimal impact on admissions post-covid, since that is your position.

You (collectively) are claiming you are making the data driven argument. Surely you have the recent data to support it. I have two kids at a feeder private and have anecdotally seen lots of legacy rejections post covid, particularly at the Ivies and Duke.

So what? There were lots of legacy rejections pre-COVID, too. And it’s not as if legacies are the only ones being rejected these days. Everyone is getting rejected.

Lots of emotion, no data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Be proud of your acceptance and don’t let anyone downplay it because of legacy status. Jealous parents and kids will try to knock your admissions. Just smile and celebrate more. If they are friends they will be happy for you. If not, let them cry harder.

It’s always so interesting to see parents who probably consider themselves good liberals become absolutely Ayn Randian when faced with the mere idea of leveling the playing field.

Why are you so obsessed not letting your kids understand just how much they benefit from a significantly uneven playing field?

Enjoying that boogeyman you created to scare yourself?

[Anonymous]

The jealousy of legacies here is off the charts and sad. They are only viewed in a bad way and no one can admit that there are greater than zero legacies who are really smart and "deserve" to be there regardless of their parents. Smart people have smart kids, full stop. I went to an Ivy+ (not as a legacy) and the smartest person I knew was a legacy. Enrolled a year younger than the rest of us (turned 21 after we graduated). 4.0 in STEM. Now making a fortune in corporate America. Should they feel inferior because some DCUM losers say so?

Perhaps people could channel their energy towards parenting and doing good deeds for society rather than whining and jealousy. It is not a good look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The jealousy of legacies here is off the charts and sad. They are only viewed in a bad way and no one can admit that there are greater than zero legacies who are really smart and "deserve" to be there regardless of their parents. Smart people have smart kids, full stop. I went to an Ivy+ (not as a legacy) and the smartest person I knew was a legacy. Enrolled a year younger than the rest of us (turned 21 after we graduated). 4.0 in STEM. Now making a fortune in corporate America. Should they feel inferior because some DCUM losers say so?

Perhaps people could channel their energy towards parenting and doing good deeds for society rather than whining and jealousy. It is not a good look.

and perhaps those who have generational advantages should acknowledge that having been born on third base is about luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whose the crazy person who thinks legacy is a huge boost?

Um, anyone who has read any of the widely available statistical analyses done on data that is now public? Are you numerically illiterate?

We aren’t talking about the historical data over the past few decades, recent data shows that legacy nothing more than a tiebreaker, if that.

Even if what you are saying was true (which it is not for a double legacy), you seem to have some logic problems. When we know a double legacy kid got in, that is why. The fact that many legacies don’t get in is immaterial. If anything, it points to the difficulty of admission generally; this only underscores the point that the double legacy who did get in would have been rejected “but for” legacy status.

+1

One thing that has been eye-opening in this thread is the rank numerical illiteracy on display from the legacy parents.

Again, if you have data from post covid admission cycles to support your point, please cite.

I think that’s actually on you? You are the one insisting the data we have that shows a significant advantage for legacy is no longer relevant. Please cite the sources that demonstrate that legacy has no or minimal impact on admissions post-covid, since that is your position.

You (collectively) are claiming you are making the data driven argument. Surely you have the recent data to support it. I have two kids at a feeder private and have anecdotally seen lots of legacy rejections post covid, particularly at the Ivies and Duke.

Translated: “I don’t like the existence of all the many studies that show legacy admissions offer a significant boost. My anecdotal experience from one small private has to prove all those studies wrong, because I don’t like those studies.”

🙄

You have reputable and studied data that contradicts all the extensive studies showing the significant boost from legacy admissions offer? Great. Link the studies. Otherwise you are just going to be dismissed as delusional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whose the crazy person who thinks legacy is a huge boost?

Um, anyone who has read any of the widely available statistical analyses done on data that is now public? Are you numerically illiterate?

We aren’t talking about the historical data over the past few decades, recent data shows that legacy nothing more than a tiebreaker, if that.

Even if what you are saying was true (which it is not for a double legacy), you seem to have some logic problems. When we know a double legacy kid got in, that is why. The fact that many legacies don’t get in is immaterial. If anything, it points to the difficulty of admission generally; this only underscores the point that the double legacy who did get in would have been rejected “but for” legacy status.

+1

One thing that has been eye-opening in this thread is the rank numerical illiteracy on display from the legacy parents.

Ego-preserving blindness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whose the crazy person who thinks legacy is a huge boost?

Um, anyone who has read any of the widely available statistical analyses done on data that is now public? Are you numerically illiterate?

We aren’t talking about the historical data over the past few decades, recent data shows that legacy nothing more than a tiebreaker, if that.

Even if what you are saying was true (which it is not for a double legacy), you seem to have some logic problems. When we know a double legacy kid got in, that is why. The fact that many legacies don’t get in is immaterial. If anything, it points to the difficulty of admission generally; this only underscores the point that the double legacy who did get in would have been rejected “but for” legacy status.

+1

One thing that has been eye-opening in this thread is the rank numerical illiteracy on display from the legacy parents.

Again, if you have data from post covid admission cycles to support your point, please cite.

I think that’s actually on you? You are the one insisting the data we have that shows a significant advantage for legacy is no longer relevant. Please cite the sources that demonstrate that legacy has no or minimal impact on admissions post-covid, since that is your position.

You (collectively) are claiming you are making the data driven argument. Surely you have the recent data to support it. I have two kids at a feeder private and have anecdotally seen lots of legacy rejections post covid, particularly at the Ivies and Duke.

So what? There were lots of legacy rejections pre-COVID, too. And it’s not as if legacies are the only ones being rejected these days. Everyone is getting rejected.

Lots of emotion, no data.

+1

We need data to prove that legacy doesn’t matter for admissions, not wishful thinking from a parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will teach him to keep the legacy status quiet once he arrives. Surely he will encounter other legacies that are cut bellow, just as his parents must have during their time.

It's a double edged sword, a healthy bump in admission chances as demonstrated, but with slightly diminished bragging rights. (Unless you're the type of legacies that can get his classmates jobs, too.)

Hahahhahahhahahahahahhaha!!!

Keep on "bellow"ing!

I recommend people try forming self image around what you achieve, not based on whether some anonymous stranger picks you.