DH Bought a Gun

[Anonymous]

OP, has your husband ever been suicidal or homicidal? Or is he so lacking in manual dexterity that he can’t do things like operate a car? Has he ever had major, idiotic lapses in common sense like driving drunk or starting a physical fight?

If the answer is “no” then you’re acting from a place of emotion rather than logic.

While guns can be used for suicide, homicide, or carelessly, they are truly extension of the person using them. They are a fine tool for someone who is intelligent and upright. They can be dangerous when possessed by a nihilistic idiot.

In that way they’re similar to alcohol. I enjoy a cocktail, but I can’t stand to drink to the point of inebriation. And I could never be an alcoholic; more than two drinks is totally disgusting to me. Thus I don’t have a problem with having a few bottles of wine in the house, and modeling responsibility to my kids. And on the other hand, some people are disposed toward alcohol abuse and addiction. That’s ok too as long as they have the self awareness to know that they have to totally abstain.

It’s OK to be honest about your husband’s aptitudes and mental/moral status if that’s a concern, but it’s not OK simply to base your opinion off of a phobia of firearms.

[Anonymous]

^ This. The myth of a normal person just snapping is truly a myth. The vast majority of homicides are committed by a tiny percentage of highly aberrant people with a long history of highly aberrant behavior. And almost all of those data points are clustered in inner city ghettos.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That would be a hard no for be:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3085447/

Same. When I was 19 I went through an awful depressive episode that I would’ve absolutely ended if I had access to a firearm. Guns are FAR more likely to be used in suicide than in protection.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing said on this forum in ages.

Guns are used over 1.2 to 2 million times a year in the USA alone for self defense. Most don't have to fire a shot, simply the presence of it stops the altercation or attack.

There are around 20,000 suicides by firearm a year in the USA.

1.5 million > 20,000 by a huge margin.

You’re living in lalaland.

https://hiprc.org/blog/firearm-deaths-in-the-home-due-to-suicide-and-criminal-homicide-are-more-common-than-self-defense-homicide/#:~:text=There%20were%20647%20firearm%20deaths,the%20National%20Institutes%20of%20Health.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2763812

Over the study period, 647 firearm deaths occurred in homes (3.9 per 100 000 person-years) (Figure). The median age of the persons killed by firearms was 48 (interquartile range [IQR], 30-64) years, and 541 (83.6%) were male (Table). Nearly all persons who committed suicide (502 [96.2%]) died at their own residence; whereas 57 persons killed by homicide (65.5%) died at their own residence, and 23 (26.4%) died at the residence of a friend or acquaintance. Of cases with a known firearm source, 114 persons who committed suicide (93.4%) used a firearm kept in the home. In contrast, homicide offenders brought the firearm to the home in 74 (81.3%) cases. Of the 99 homicides, 12 (12.1%) were self-defense. For each case of self-defense homicide, there were 0.9 unintentional deaths (95% CI, 0.4-2.1), 7.3 criminal homicides (95% CI, 4.0-13.3), and 44.1 suicides (95% CI, 24.9-78.1) in the home.

Firearms are used over a million times a year to stop crimes. - FBI stats for the last 40 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That would be a hard no for be:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3085447/

Same. When I was 19 I went through an awful depressive episode that I would’ve absolutely ended if I had access to a firearm. Guns are FAR more likely to be used in suicide than in protection.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing said on this forum in ages.

Guns are used over 1.2 to 2 million times a year in the USA alone for self defense. Most don't have to fire a shot, simply the presence of it stops the altercation or attack.

There are around 20,000 suicides by firearm a year in the USA.

1.5 million > 20,000 by a huge margin.

You're figures are bulls*** and you know it.
Give a cite if you aren't just trolling with your stupidity.

You are 600 times more likely to be killed by a doctor or medical error than a firearm in the US. That's across the board stats including everyone, even gang members, police, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ This. The myth of a normal person just snapping is truly a myth. The vast majority of homicides are committed by a tiny percentage of highly aberrant people with a long history of highly aberrant behavior. And almost all of those data points are clustered in inner city ghettos.

Antigun people who have that irrational fear of weapons are the ones projecting their mental illnesses and violent thoughts onto everyone else.

Typical antigun nut thinks everyone is deranged as them and that everyone must be disarmed.

But isn't it funny how they never seem to want to disarm the police and military or governments. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:That would be a hard no for be:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3085447/

Same. When I was 19 I went through an awful depressive episode that I would’ve absolutely ended if I had access to a firearm. Guns are FAR more likely to be used in suicide than in protection.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing said on this forum in ages.

Guns are used over 1.2 to 2 million times a year in the USA alone for self defense. Most don't have to fire a shot, simply the presence of it stops the altercation or attack.

There are around 20,000 suicides by firearm a year in the USA.

1.5 million > 20,000 by a huge margin.

You’re living in lalaland.

https://hiprc.org/blog/firearm-deaths-in-the-home-due-to-suicide-and-criminal-homicide-are-more-common-than-self-defense-homicide/#:~:text=There%20were%20647%20firearm%20deaths,the%20National%20Institutes%20of%20Health.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2763812

Over the study period, 647 firearm deaths occurred in homes (3.9 per 100 000 person-years) (Figure). The median age of the persons killed by firearms was 48 (interquartile range [IQR], 30-64) years, and 541 (83.6%) were male (Table). Nearly all persons who committed suicide (502 [96.2%]) died at their own residence; whereas 57 persons killed by homicide (65.5%) died at their own residence, and 23 (26.4%) died at the residence of a friend or acquaintance. Of cases with a known firearm source, 114 persons who committed suicide (93.4%) used a firearm kept in the home. In contrast, homicide offenders brought the firearm to the home in 74 (81.3%) cases. Of the 99 homicides, 12 (12.1%) were self-defense. For each case of self-defense homicide, there were 0.9 unintentional deaths (95% CI, 0.4-2.1), 7.3 criminal homicides (95% CI, 4.0-13.3), and 44.1 suicides (95% CI, 24.9-78.1) in the home.

Firearms are used over a million times a year to stop crimes. - FBI stats for the last 40 years.

This is true and scientifically established time and time again.

But the progressives desperately want to conceal these facts from you, in order to push their radical, anti-Constitutional agenda of banning civilian ownership of arms and prohibiting self defense.

[Anonymous]

Every time I see this thread bumped, I hear the title as 'Janie's got a gun'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ This. The myth of a normal person just snapping is truly a myth. The vast majority of homicides are committed by a tiny percentage of highly aberrant people with a long history of highly aberrant behavior. And almost all of those data points are clustered in inner city ghettos.

For the people reading this website, the person must likely go kill them is their romantic partner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That would be a hard no for be:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3085447/

Same. When I was 19 I went through an awful depressive episode that I would’ve absolutely ended if I had access to a firearm. Guns are FAR more likely to be used in suicide than in protection.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing said on this forum in ages.

Guns are used over 1.2 to 2 million times a year in the USA alone for self defense. Most don't have to fire a shot, simply the presence of it stops the altercation or attack.

There are around 20,000 suicides by firearm a year in the USA.

1.5 million > 20,000 by a huge margin.

You're figures are bulls*** and you know it.
Give a cite if you aren't just trolling with your stupidity.

You are 600 times more likely to be killed by a doctor or medical error than a firearm in the US. That's across the board stats including everyone, even gang members, police, etc.

But you cannot avoid interacting with the health care system. We should be able go avoid guns.

But people like you think your rights trump mine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The gun lives at t the range. Woman here and don’t mind guns, they live at the range where they are used and handled properly. If he won’t do that, teach your kids gun safety and consider divorce. Then mandate and decide how hard to fight if he prioritizes the gun over his family. Husband has considered a gun bc I was attacked and I say no even with that. Parents have guns and fine w gone safety protocols including acceptable mental health protocols

What range do you patronize that provides ongoing firearm storage service?

Only a gun club would provide that service. But you are paying a lot more than the gun he bought to be a member.

Owning a gun safely is not that hard - there are things called safes you bolt into your floor, wall or both that are nearly impossible to break into…and the people that could break into it aren’t wasting their time for a $600 Glock.
No kid is getting, that is for sure.

And yet, thousands (tens?!) of children do in fact get in there each year. You are wrong for claiming 100% success when there are so so so many gun deaths per years.

Sigh. NP. The kids who get ahold of guns aren't going through multiple safes, fingerprint triggers, etc. They're accessing guns that are carelessly stored. That was PP's point.

Agreed. Some of these people aren't thinking logically, and this thread has become a bit of a joke.

So how are thousands of kids killed every year from guns if everyone is super duper responsible? Clearly there’s a disconnect that you refuse to acknowledge.

There aren't thousands killed. That's ridiculous and you lose all credibility when you exaggerate things like that to that excess.

20,000 per year on average kill themselves with a firearm. Suicide is not "gun violence" by any means. So those are dismissed.

10,000 per year are killed by someone with a firearm, with around 9000 of those are inner city gang members or criminals that are shot either by citizens or police.

Suicide can't be dismissed. It's probably the best reason not to bring a gun into a house with a child, who is going to become a teenager, who may quickly develop mental illness and try to kill themselves. If you look at the rates of suicide by state, they mostly differ because of access to firearms.

Most all suicides by firearm are males over 25. Very few minors commit suicide that way.

False
“The firearm suicide rate among young people has increased faster than among any other age group.”
Firearm suicides are the #4 leading cause of death in children

Statistical anecdotes don't impress people with logic. If it was 1 kid, then next year it was 4, that's a 400% increase! OMG panic!

Statistics don't lie, politicians lie about the statistics.

Very stupid (and deceptive) example , when 49,000 people die from suicide each year in the United States.

It is the 2nd leading cause of death for those aged 10-34.

Easy access to lethal means is a major factor in that REALITY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ This. The myth of a normal person just snapping is truly a myth. The vast majority of homicides are committed by a tiny percentage of highly aberrant people with a long history of highly aberrant behavior. And almost all of those data points are clustered in inner city ghettos.

Antigun people who have that irrational fear of weapons are the ones projecting their mental illnesses and violent thoughts onto everyone else.

Typical antigun nut thinks everyone is deranged as them and that everyone must be disarmed.

But isn't it funny how they never seem to want to disarm the police and military or governments. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Such an odd conclusion. I think we all agree that people with extensive training defending the public are different from all the random people owning guns.

I think we should adopt the Swiss philosophy. Every household is required to have a military rifle after receiving extensive training (and annual continuing training) and anyone that uses that weapon outside of self-defense or repelling invasion (why this law exists since no real standing army) receives harsh punishment.

Swiss government also provides a super hi-tech fun safe which keeps a record of every time the safe is opened.

So…it fulfills the right wing dream of everyone owning a gun (but imagine the outrage if that dream includes common sense rules around it).

[Anonymous]

A legitimate gun club would allow your DH to keep the weapon there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That would be a hard no for be:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3085447/

Same. When I was 19 I went through an awful depressive episode that I would’ve absolutely ended if I had access to a firearm. Guns are FAR more likely to be used in suicide than in protection.

That has to be the most ridiculous thing said on this forum in ages.

Guns are used over 1.2 to 2 million times a year in the USA alone for self defense. Most don't have to fire a shot, simply the presence of it stops the altercation or attack.

There are around 20,000 suicides by firearm a year in the USA.

1.5 million > 20,000 by a huge margin.

You’re living in lalaland.

https://hiprc.org/blog/firearm-deaths-in-the-home-due-to-suicide-and-criminal-homicide-are-more-common-than-self-defense-homicide/#:~:text=There%20were%20647%20firearm%20deaths,the%20National%20Institutes%20of%20Health.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2763812

Over the study period, 647 firearm deaths occurred in homes (3.9 per 100 000 person-years) (Figure). The median age of the persons killed by firearms was 48 (interquartile range [IQR], 30-64) years, and 541 (83.6%) were male (Table). Nearly all persons who committed suicide (502 [96.2%]) died at their own residence; whereas 57 persons killed by homicide (65.5%) died at their own residence, and 23 (26.4%) died at the residence of a friend or acquaintance. Of cases with a known firearm source, 114 persons who committed suicide (93.4%) used a firearm kept in the home. In contrast, homicide offenders brought the firearm to the home in 74 (81.3%) cases. Of the 99 homicides, 12 (12.1%) were self-defense. For each case of self-defense homicide, there were 0.9 unintentional deaths (95% CI, 0.4-2.1), 7.3 criminal homicides (95% CI, 4.0-13.3), and 44.1 suicides (95% CI, 24.9-78.1) in the home.

Firearms are used over a million times a year to stop crimes. - FBI stats for the last 40 years.

This is true and scientifically established time and time again.

But the progressives desperately want to conceal these facts from you, in order to push their radical, anti-Constitutional agenda of banning civilian ownership of arms and prohibiting self defense.

You keep saying this as fact without any proof.
Put up or shut up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He's taken up shooting as a hobby in the past few months and recently decided to purchase a gun. He came home with it without discussion. We have elementary age kids, and I just don't want it in the house. He doesn't care, says it's for his hobby and he'll keep it locked up. Am I unreasonable? Is he?

He's unreasonable, not you. Tell him that he has 1 day to get rid of the gun or he can move out.

He could just as easily say "You have one day to accept it, or you can move out."

This. Some of these controlling women are telling on themselves, acting they they have the right to dictate how it's gonna be for their household, which simultaneously whining that "he should've communicated!!!"

I foresee a lot of divorces.

Exactly. The “he should’ve communicated and not acted unilaterally” is a proxy for “he should have communicated so I could have acted unilaterally”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A legitimate gun club would allow your DH to keep the weapon there.

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