SecDef shares US war Plan in Group chat

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The U.S. has become such an absolute sitting duck under this administration. We are in such a vulnerable position with these dummies in power. It's scary.

This.
I’m surprised the GOP is not more concerned about the security of the country. We’re looking at another 9/11 (also under a republican administration that dropped the ball) and it won’t end well with this sort of incompetence and stupidity.

Are you actually surprised? This is the least serious group of people you could possibly imagine. I feel like Moscow Mitch is probably not loving this - but who else in this clown show gives two poops? They wouldn't have confirmed Kash or Tulsi or Drunky if they cared about national security.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is much ado about nothing. Do you seriously think Yemen could have done anything about this with the inside information?

The administration did this to intimidate Canada and Europe. There was a basketball team who used to run through their offense instead of the pregame layup line. They did it to intimidate the opponent, showing their offense because the opponent wouldn’t be able to do anything about it. That team ended up winning 85-90% of their games consistently.

That’s all this is. Democrats need to calm down, take a deep breath, and figure out how they’re going to stay out of jail.

Is Usha on the thread? No one believes this gang is smart enough to come up with this super clever plan.

Just for kicks, let me tell you how we all know, without a shred of a doubt, that they weren't expecting this to be seen by others: They would not have behaved like a bunch of 15-year-olds after a soccer match, after a video game, with fist emojis and back slaps. MORTIFYING behavior not meant for public viewing.

The group broke the law and it was clearly not the first time. Not one person said, "wait, let's switch to an authorized form of communication."

Using Signal is unconscionable .

Setting texts to auto-delete is unconscionable.

Inviting a journalist is a big mistake and dumb (but totally believable! and, bell ringing, a mistake that could not happen on the permitted channels of communication).

No one on the text thread asking about the non-participant is shockingly careless and incompetent.

The tone and words and emojis on the thread are callous, infantile, and embarrassing.

There is no way to spin this.

I see all sorts of email threads at work where not everybody participates. Which is why it's so important for them to use a secure platform where nobody without a clearance (journalist or otherwise) has access.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The U.S. has become such an absolute sitting duck under this administration. We are in such a vulnerable position with these dummies in power. It's scary.

yes and it's scary that we have people making excuses for them.

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Inexcusable and hypocritical.

Please don’t tell me this is how our country is being handled, by group text.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that there will actually be consequences for this. Republicans are going to lose the midterms and public trust if democrats keep talking about it.

EVERYONE should keep talking this. It’s the height of stupidity to be talking about military plans on a platform not approved by the government. Then to add a reporter and never realize it. Goldberg should have stayed on the chat for another two weeks. Who knows what he may have discovered by then. In any sane administration, the NSA would be packing there office, and the SecDef and DNI would be wondering if they need to submit their recognition.

Trump tweet fired other officials last term for disagreeing with him. These fools should be escorted out on live TV.

The fact that Trump is not firing anybody is pretty telling. This particular conversation happened during a weekend that Trump spent at Mar-a-Lago (at the moment the attack began, he was at his golf club). It's not clear who joined him there, but I am willing to bet that the Signal chat was set up so that those officials who joined Trump in Florida could stay in the loop. Remember that picture of Obama and his senior staff in the Situation Room as their operation took down Bin Laden? That is how a normal administration monitors war plans. But Trump is risking national security in his quest to pump every single tax dollar possible into his private resort and golf club.

This. No one should be making excuses for this. Everyone should be appalled....especially the "but her emails" crowd. What a circus we have become in such a short amount of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope this gets Hegseth fired! Please. Please. Please. (DoD employee).

If you can say - are things really bad there with him in charge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, Democrats need to be on this like a dog with a bone. Stop being so freaking docile! Highlight the hypocrisy over and over again!

I don’t think the hypocrisy is the best message because that looks like “everybody does it”. And what Clinton/sullivan did, while stupid, was not nearly this stupid. At the end of the day, my memory is that there was nothing of any importance on the unsecured servers. This is critically important stuff and they are just morons for doing it after we’ve talked about this stuff for a decade now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible Waltz did this on purpose because he had a Road to Damascus moment? I simply cannot believe that this was a coincidence.

I simply can no believe you think he did this because he's ethical. Did you read his posts? He was the one pushing for the bombs to drop.

PP didn’t mean ethical as he didn’t want us to drop bombs on civilians, PP meant ethical as in if all of this top secret military planning to drop bombs in civilians is illegally taking place in a commercial chat app then someone should damn well know about it.

Nah. Not much chance of that. He simply could have withdrawn from the chat if that were the case and said: hey, as NSA I can't be seen on a commercial platform making war plans, cuz, that breaks like 5 different laws. He's the most likely to get fired in this current situation, because he was the dim bulb who added the journalist, which in Trump world is the major problem, not the breaking of laws part or the failing to follow appropriate security procedures for classified materials part...

Tulsi was literally in the group chat, so clearly reporting this security violation to the government would not be helpful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible Waltz did this on purpose because he had a Road to Damascus moment? I simply cannot believe that this was a coincidence.

I simply can no believe you think he did this because he's ethical. Did you read his posts? He was the one pushing for the bombs to drop.

PP didn’t mean ethical as he didn’t want us to drop bombs on civilians, PP meant ethical as in if all of this top secret military planning to drop bombs in civilians is illegally taking place in a commercial chat app then someone should damn well know about it.

Nah. Not much chance of that. He simply could have withdrawn from the chat if that were the case and said: hey, as NSA I can't be seen on a commercial platform making war plans, cuz, that breaks like 5 different laws. He's the most likely to get fired in this current situation, because he was the dim bulb who added the journalist, which in Trump world is the major problem, not the breaking of laws part or the failing to follow appropriate security procedures for classified materials part...

Tulsi was literally in the group chat, so clearly reporting this security violation to the government would not be helpful.

Nobody is getting fired. The Trump administration has learned that accountability and competence don't matter. They'll just wait for the next media cycle when they break something else. This administration is over-the-top amateurish and clownish. Two months down, 46 to go...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, Democrats need to be on this like a dog with a bone. Stop being so freaking docile! Highlight the hypocrisy over and over again!

I don’t think the hypocrisy is the best message because that looks like “everybody does it”. And what Clinton/sullivan did, while stupid, was not nearly this stupid. At the end of the day, my memory is that there was nothing of any importance on the unsecured servers. This is critically important stuff and they are just morons for doing it after we’ve talked about this stuff for a decade now.

Np here. I agree that these two incidences are not the same. But the point is that Hillary was dragged through the mud and likely lost the election for something that isn’t even remotely as bad as this. We can all imagine how the gop and the media would be reacting if it was the democrats who did this.

The incompetence of this administration is astonishing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible Waltz did this on purpose because he had a Road to Damascus moment? I simply cannot believe that this was a coincidence.

I simply can no believe you think he did this because he's ethical. Did you read his posts? He was the one pushing for the bombs to drop.

PP didn’t mean ethical as he didn’t want us to drop bombs on civilians, PP meant ethical as in if all of this top secret military planning to drop bombs in civilians is illegally taking place in a commercial chat app then someone should damn well know about it.

Nah. Not much chance of that. He simply could have withdrawn from the chat if that were the case and said: hey, as NSA I can't be seen on a commercial platform making war plans, cuz, that breaks like 5 different laws. He's the most likely to get fired in this current situation, because he was the dim bulb who added the journalist, which in Trump world is the major problem, not the breaking of laws part or the failing to follow appropriate security procedures for classified materials part...

Tulsi was literally in the group chat, so clearly reporting this security violation to the government would not be helpful.

Nobody is getting fired. The Trump administration has learned that accountability and competence don't matter. They'll just wait for the next media cycle when they break something else. This administration is over-the-top amateurish and clownish. Two months down, 46 to go...

Yet they are firing IRS agents whose job it is to audit and find fraud in billionaires tax returns. They are firing people responsible for overseeing special ed programs. They are firing scientists who are trying to study the health impacts of PFAS and other pollutants, they are firing highly competent, highly educated, very experienced hard-working federal employees who have done nothing wrong, and who dedicated their lives to serving and helping the American public.

But drunky DUI hire leaks classified info, Tulsi ignores national security breaches and nothing happens to them

[Anonymous]

This is the most criminally incompetent administration of my nearly 60 years on the planet. Hands down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is much ado about nothing. Do you seriously think Yemen could have done anything about this with the inside information?

The administration did this to intimidate Canada and Europe. There was a basketball team who used to run through their offense instead of the pregame layup line. They did it to intimidate the opponent, showing their offense because the opponent wouldn’t be able to do anything about it. That team ended up winning 85-90% of their games consistently.

That’s all this is. Democrats need to calm down, take a deep breath, and figure out how they’re going to stay out of jail.

You have got to be kidding me. If you weren’t in a cult, you would realize that you can be a republican but still admit when your party effs up big time.

[Anonymous]

One thing I really try to teach my students and my own kids - absolutely nothing you do on your phone is private. I share examples of “private” texts or content being found by the wrong person and how the senders faced really serious consequences. I really, really emphasize that there is no way to do anything on their phones that is guaranteed to be 100% private. Honestly, our government officials should know this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing I really try to teach my students and my own kids - absolutely nothing you do on your phone is private. I share examples of “private” texts or content being found by the wrong person and how the senders faced really serious consequences. I really, really emphasize that there is no way to do anything on their phones that is guaranteed to be 100% private. Honestly, our government officials should know this.

Sadly, this administration is full of immature, unprofessional people who have less respect for our government and people than most of your young students.