Glad MCPS is getting sued

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what the big deal is about what books are being taught in MCPS. Half the kids can't read anyway, so what does it matter?

They are good at shouting LGBTQ, EQUITY and ....

They are not good at doing basic job of teaching. Their entire focus is anything but teaching.

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There is a difference between accepting and celebrating differences and being inclusive... And wholesale swallowing gender ideology that reinforces regressive sexual stereotypes, especially for females--an ideology that was pretty much created from misinterpreting an obscure academic in about 2008.

It's not really fair to present gender as an ineffable choice that's divorced from biology to five year olds because that isn't true.

I support and value my trans friends. I don't support telling five year olds that liking pink means they might be a transgirl.

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And, although I personally don't give a crap about bathrooms, I do wonder how we've sort of wholesale forgotten we had a reason for separating bodily functions by gender in the past.

That reason was sexual assault.

Are people just more enlightened and less predatory now? Has rape stopped happening?

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Anonymous wrote:And, although I personally don't give a crap about bathrooms, I do wonder how we've sort of wholesale forgotten we had a reason for separating bodily functions by gender in the past.

That reason was sexual assault.

Are people just more enlightened and less predatory now? Has rape stopped happening?

No it has not. Ask Loudoun County public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they win. I'm fine with my kid learning this stuff, but we also have to be fine with people who want to opt out. Not everyone can afford private school.

Who want to opt out of what, exactly? Reading books in school?

Yes. Put them in the school library. Don’t make them part of lesson plans, though. If they are, kids should be allowed to opt out.

It sounds like you would be happier in Virginia. Although even in VA, they only notify parents if books contain sexual content, and the existence of trans characters does not meet the criteria for sexual content.

Is Virginia more tolerant than here? Of different religious beliefs? Then maybe I should. MoCo wants everyone to think the same and there is absolutely zero room for diversity of thought.

The state-sanctioned intolerance in VA might align better with your personal intolerance. Although, again, the state law is just about notifying parents of sexual content in books (for now).

As I said upthread, Prince George's or Howard are just fine. They allow parents to opt out.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they win. I'm fine with my kid learning this stuff, but we also have to be fine with people who want to opt out. Not everyone can afford private school.

Who want to opt out of what, exactly? Reading books in school?

Yes. Put them in the school library. Don’t make them part of lesson plans, though. If they are, kids should be allowed to opt out.

It sounds like you would be happier in Virginia. Although even in VA, they only notify parents if books contain sexual content, and the existence of trans characters does not meet the criteria for sexual content.

Is Virginia more tolerant than here? Of different religious beliefs? Then maybe I should. MoCo wants everyone to think the same and there is absolutely zero room for diversity of thought.

Religious bigotry is not diversity. Why can’t you be diverse and accept that some people hate the gays?

There is a difference between not religiously supporting something and actually hating something. I have a lot of Jewish friends who don't eat pork for religious reasons, but they don't have hatred for those who do. But they do want the ability to opt out of eating pork in a public school. Simple as that.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they win. I'm fine with my kid learning this stuff, but we also have to be fine with people who want to opt out. Not everyone can afford private school.

Who want to opt out of what, exactly? Reading books in school?

Yes. Put them in the school library. Don’t make them part of lesson plans, though. If they are, kids should be allowed to opt out.

It sounds like you would be happier in Virginia. Although even in VA, they only notify parents if books contain sexual content, and the existence of trans characters does not meet the criteria for sexual content.

Is Virginia more tolerant than here? Of different religious beliefs? Then maybe I should. MoCo wants everyone to think the same and there is absolutely zero room for diversity of thought.

Religious bigotry is not diversity. Why can’t you be diverse and accept that some people hate the gays?

There is a difference between not religiously supporting something and actually hating something. I have a lot of Jewish friends who don't eat pork for religious reasons, but they don't have hatred for those who do. But they do want the ability to opt out of eating pork in a public school. Simple as that.

But eating pork is not the same thing as reading a book in which a character happens to eat pork. You can have a religious objection to the former, but not the latter.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they win. I'm fine with my kid learning this stuff, but we also have to be fine with people who want to opt out. Not everyone can afford private school.

Who want to opt out of what, exactly? Reading books in school?

Yes. Put them in the school library. Don’t make them part of lesson plans, though. If they are, kids should be allowed to opt out.

It sounds like you would be happier in Virginia. Although even in VA, they only notify parents if books contain sexual content, and the existence of trans characters does not meet the criteria for sexual content.

Is Virginia more tolerant than here? Of different religious beliefs? Then maybe I should. MoCo wants everyone to think the same and there is absolutely zero room for diversity of thought.

Religious bigotry is not diversity. Why can’t you be diverse and accept that some people hate the gays?

There is a difference between not religiously supporting something and actually hating something. I have a lot of Jewish friends who don't eat pork for religious reasons, but they don't have hatred for those who do. But they do want the ability to opt out of eating pork in a public school. Simple as that.

And if opting out of pork were opting into bigotry your analogy might work.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe only 6 parents are permitted to launch this suit. Honestly it should be 600 parents before that happens.

Either way its a total FARCE and waste of time and money.

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I just hope they get strapped with the court costs. I hate to think tax dollars are subsidizing bigotry.

Unfortunately, I don't think court costs are a concern for MCPS. A post last year said the Montgomery County Council provides MCPS a nearly bottomless pit of attorney funding (11M?) that doesn't appear as part of their budget. This is the primary reason why I was opposed to any MCPS funding increases. I'm not against specifically funding teacher salaries or renovations, but MCPS has a history of (imho) wasting millions on pet projects, legal fees, and funding of questionable programs as to why they're so expensive or whether there was a better approach that cost less money (Leader in Me, Equity Training, Communications Office, Racism Study, Kid Museum, Electric Buses, ESSER III, bocce ball, etc.). I do question whether Montgomery County has sufficient financial accountability of MCPS and would personally welcome a detailed audit of their books.

My kids loved bocce. That was the best money ever spent!

Have to agree! My kids wouldn't stop raving about how much fun this sport was. I think it's the best money MCPS ever spent!

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Anonymous wrote:And, although I personally don't give a crap about bathrooms, I do wonder how we've sort of wholesale forgotten we had a reason for separating bodily functions by gender in the past.

That reason was sexual assault.

Are people just more enlightened and less predatory now? Has rape stopped happening?

The title of this thread is not "My personal thoughts about trans people and bathrooms".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe only 6 parents are permitted to launch this suit. Honestly it should be 600 parents before that happens.

Either way its a total FARCE and waste of time and money.

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I just hope they get strapped with the court costs. I hate to think tax dollars are subsidizing bigotry.

Unfortunately, I don't think court costs are a concern for MCPS. A post last year said the Montgomery County Council provides MCPS a nearly bottomless pit of attorney funding (11M?) that doesn't appear as part of their budget. This is the primary reason why I was opposed to any MCPS funding increases. I'm not against specifically funding teacher salaries or renovations, but MCPS has a history of (imho) wasting millions on pet projects, legal fees, and funding of questionable programs as to why they're so expensive or whether there was a better approach that cost less money (Leader in Me, Equity Training, Communications Office, Racism Study, Kid Museum, Electric Buses, ESSER III, bocce ball, etc.). I do question whether Montgomery County has sufficient financial accountability of MCPS and would personally welcome a detailed audit of their books.

My kids loved bocce. That was the best money ever spent!

Have to agree! My kids wouldn't stop raving about how much fun this sport was. I think it's the best money MCPS ever spent!

I am honestly baffled by the DCUM poster(s) who hate(s) on bocce.

MCPS offers three varsity interscholastic corollary sports. The goal of corollary sports is to increase interscholastic athletics participation opportunities for all students, in particular students with disabilities. An important goal of corollary teams is to achieve an approximately even ratio of participants with and without disabilities. Corollary sports include Team Handball in the fall, Bocce in the winter and Allied Softball in the spring.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/athletics/programs/corollary/

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they win. I'm fine with my kid learning this stuff, but we also have to be fine with people who want to opt out. Not everyone can afford private school.

Who want to opt out of what, exactly? Reading books in school?

Yes. Put them in the school library. Don’t make them part of lesson plans, though. If they are, kids should be allowed to opt out.

It sounds like you would be happier in Virginia. Although even in VA, they only notify parents if books contain sexual content, and the existence of trans characters does not meet the criteria for sexual content.

Is Virginia more tolerant than here? Of different religious beliefs? Then maybe I should. MoCo wants everyone to think the same and there is absolutely zero room for diversity of thought.

Religious bigotry is not diversity. Why can’t you be diverse and accept that some people hate the gays?

There is a difference between not religiously supporting something and actually hating something. I have a lot of Jewish friends who don't eat pork for religious reasons, but they don't have hatred for those who do. But they do want the ability to opt out of eating pork in a public school. Simple as that.

Do your "a lot of Jewish friends" (maybe some of them are even your best friends?) want the ability to be notified and opt out of books in which characters eat pork? Like John Steinbeck's novel The Grapes of Wrath, for example: "Tom moved closer. He smelled frying bacon and baking bread. From the east the light grew swiftly. Tom came near to the stove and stretched out his hands to it. The girl looked at him and nodded, so that her two braids jerked. “Good mornin’,” she said, and she turned the bacon in the pan."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe only 6 parents are permitted to launch this suit. Honestly it should be 600 parents before that happens.

Either way its a total FARCE and waste of time and money.

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I just hope they get strapped with the court costs. I hate to think tax dollars are subsidizing bigotry.

Unfortunately, I don't think court costs are a concern for MCPS. A post last year said the Montgomery County Council provides MCPS a nearly bottomless pit of attorney funding (11M?) that doesn't appear as part of their budget. This is the primary reason why I was opposed to any MCPS funding increases. I'm not against specifically funding teacher salaries or renovations, but MCPS has a history of (imho) wasting millions on pet projects, legal fees, and funding of questionable programs as to why they're so expensive or whether there was a better approach that cost less money (Leader in Me, Equity Training, Communications Office, Racism Study, Kid Museum, Electric Buses, ESSER III, bocce ball, etc.). I do question whether Montgomery County has sufficient financial accountability of MCPS and would personally welcome a detailed audit of their books.

My kids loved bocce. That was the best money ever spent!

Have to agree! My kids wouldn't stop raving about how much fun this sport was. I think it's the best money MCPS ever spent!

I am honestly baffled by the DCUM poster(s) who hate(s) on bocce.

MCPS offers three varsity interscholastic corollary sports. The goal of corollary sports is to increase interscholastic athletics participation opportunities for all students, in particular students with disabilities. An important goal of corollary teams is to achieve an approximately even ratio of participants with and without disabilities. Corollary sports include Team Handball in the fall, Bocce in the winter and Allied Softball in the spring.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/athletics/programs/corollary/

Why are you baffled? Accepting Bocce requires people to have an open mind and acknowledge that kids might enjoy extracurricular activities aside from Football, Basketball, Baseball, Soccer. Change and inclusion is difficult for some, as is evidenced by this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe only 6 parents are permitted to launch this suit. Honestly it should be 600 parents before that happens.

Either way its a total FARCE and waste of time and money.

X10000000000

I just hope they get strapped with the court costs. I hate to think tax dollars are subsidizing bigotry.

Unfortunately, I don't think court costs are a concern for MCPS. A post last year said the Montgomery County Council provides MCPS a nearly bottomless pit of attorney funding (11M?) that doesn't appear as part of their budget. This is the primary reason why I was opposed to any MCPS funding increases. I'm not against specifically funding teacher salaries or renovations, but MCPS has a history of (imho) wasting millions on pet projects, legal fees, and funding of questionable programs as to why they're so expensive or whether there was a better approach that cost less money (Leader in Me, Equity Training, Communications Office, Racism Study, Kid Museum, Electric Buses, ESSER III, bocce ball, etc.). I do question whether Montgomery County has sufficient financial accountability of MCPS and would personally welcome a detailed audit of their books.

My kids loved bocce. That was the best money ever spent!

Have to agree! My kids wouldn't stop raving about how much fun this sport was. I think it's the best money MCPS ever spent!

I am honestly baffled by the DCUM poster(s) who hate(s) on bocce.

MCPS offers three varsity interscholastic corollary sports. The goal of corollary sports is to increase interscholastic athletics participation opportunities for all students, in particular students with disabilities. An important goal of corollary teams is to achieve an approximately even ratio of participants with and without disabilities. Corollary sports include Team Handball in the fall, Bocce in the winter and Allied Softball in the spring.

https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/athletics/programs/corollary/

I know. Everytime they bring it up I have to make fun of them, and my kids really did love it in PE.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should always have a say in what their kids are learning. Ideally, their day can be to leave this crazy system but not vv everyone can afford that. Parents should be able to opt out of having their two and three year olds use a word search to find words like drag in story books being read to them.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/3-montgomery-county-families-sue-mcps-over-lbtq-books.amp

Yup, I would have a big issue with this. I just read A Boy Named Penelope and I'm not comfortable with MCPS reading this book to my elementary school kid. The problem with MCPS not being transparent about these books is that parents won't have any idea what they're teaching our kids.