Another gunman, another elementary school

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Massive pressure needs to be put on lawmakers who support gun rights. MASSIVE. BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY.

Their financial ties to gun lobbies need to be published for all to see.

THIS!

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I’m all out of outrage. Securing secondary citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently watched an Australian courtroom drama called Janet King. An entire season was devoted to a shipment of illegally imported guns. The govt launched a huge task force and splashy trial to arrest those responsible for selling a relatively small number of firearms. That’s how tightly weapons are controlled there. I almost had to laugh. And Australians have had conservative leadership for years! Why do our conservatives have such bloodthirst?

Australia used to have lax gun laws. When they enacted tighter regulation, they had a very successful buy-back program.

IIRC, the change was sparked by a mass shooting, although I might be wrong about that part.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently watched an Australian courtroom drama called Janet King. An entire season was devoted to a shipment of illegally imported guns. The govt launched a huge task force and splashy trial to arrest those responsible for selling a relatively small number of firearms. That’s how tightly weapons are controlled there. I almost had to laugh. And Australians have had conservative leadership for years! Why do our conservatives have such bloodthirst?

Australia used to have lax gun laws. When they enacted tighter regulation, they had a very successful buy-back program.

IIRC, the change was sparked by a mass shooting, although I might be wrong about that part.

Gun buybacks work because Australia has social trust and solidarity. We have zero social trust and solidarity in America, so it won’t work here. Gun owners have zero regard for non-gun owners. In fact, they sneeringly call us “sheep” if we don’t own a gun or if we expect law enforcement to their well-paid jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm starting to think that we take a page out of the forced birthers' handbook. Let's get graphic pictures of the victims of school shootings. Blur their faces for privacy, slap them on some posters and do some "sidewalk counseling" outside of the offices of anti-gun-control senators/governors and the NRA.

Why do you think violent people are raging like this?

As soon as we get guns off the streets we should absolutely figure that out.

You’ll get guns off the streets like you’re getting fentanyl off the streets.

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This entire thing is just disgusting. Those poor babies.

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I never thought I would feel this aligned with Piers Morgan. Why can’t our hotheads and conservatives take this tack?

“ talk show host and long time opponent of America's gun laws, Piers Morgan, tweeted: '14 schoolchildren and a teacher at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas have been shot dead by an 18-year-old gunman. Absolutely horrendous. I don’t know what else to say about these endless US gun massacres - it’s for Americans to resolve but where is the will?'”

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Anonymous wrote:I recently watched an Australian courtroom drama called Janet King. An entire season was devoted to a shipment of illegally imported guns. The govt launched a huge task force and splashy trial to arrest those responsible for selling a relatively small number of firearms. That’s how tightly weapons are controlled there. I almost had to laugh. And Australians have had conservative leadership for years! Why do our conservatives have such bloodthirst?

Australia used to have lax gun laws. When they enacted tighter regulation, they had a very successful buy-back program.

IIRC, the change was sparked by a mass shooting, although I might be wrong about that part.

You are right about that part. Australia has had no mass shootings since one man killed 35 people in 1996.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

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The fat cats GOP, Christian Right Wing and NRA - their kids are safe. So why would they care if the children of others die? The only way the gun laws will change is when a massacre will hits close to home for them. Till now, the people who have died are average people. Even Jan 16th, saw the insurgents and policemen dying.

I have no hope for America anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:The fat cats GOP, Christian Right Wing and NRA - their kids are safe. So why would they care if the children of others die? The only way the gun laws will change is when a massacre will hits close to home for them. Till now, the people who have died are average people. Even Jan 16th, saw the insurgents and policemen dying.

I have no hope for America anymore.

Girlfriend, these people didn’t enact gun laws when a shooter invaded their baseball game or when crazies stormed the Capitol. They don’t even care if it hits them.

Sandy Hook wasn’t in some slum or even a middle class neighborhood, but a tony suburb.

No one is safe. Moloch feasts on us all.

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Canadian who used to live in DC here.
I am so sorry to hear about this. I don't know what it will take for the US to pass more strict gun laws. But if this couldn't pass after Sandy Hook and under Obama, it's hard to see how things will change. Everyday we also hear about toddlers and children in the US shooting their siblings or parents to death by accident because guns are unlocked and we just shake our heads.

I'm sorry. It's really hard to understand how much death and violence due to guns can be tolerated in the US.

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It's too much.

A tranche of gun lobby-supported soul-less people support killing 45K people a year. That's the number of Americans killed by gunfire every year.

It does not reflect the views of the majority of the population. But because we have a system of lobbies and the ability to fundraise political campaigns by taking the money from rich corporations, lawmakers are CORRUPTED by greedy and murderous gun manufacturers.

We need to restrict lobbying in this country. We need to go after the ones who make the guns, and the ones who sell the guns, and the ones who take money from both these businesses to block legislation in congress so they can raise enough to stay in power by keeping their campaigns afloat.

The will of the people is being circumvented by corporations. The health of the people is being crushed by legislators who prefer getting paid to do nothing rather than stand on their own two feet and do something.

Enough.

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Wow the school had a security guard that engaged the shooter. He still managed to kill 18.

So much for that “good guy with a gun” narrative.

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I come from a hunting family. We hunt on horseback with a pack of hounds.


We support a nearly total ban on firearms, even if it means no guns for us.

+1000. Here, here. I'm the ex-military PP. I'm with you 1000%.

If we ban firearms, how do we ensure the bad guys turn theirs in?

You can require a license to buy ammo or the components to pack your own. Also there are ways to identify and track purchases of bullets after they have been fired.

Here we go again with a C word - "can." I think you meant "ought to." Because it's not happening. The sooner people get realistic and pragmatic, the sooner school boards across America can start making plans, and following them through with completed action, to keep kids safe. Like: Plan - metal detectors. Budget, find contractor, install. That simple. Rather than whining and wishing and nothing getting accomplished and kids dying.

Of course, because a metal detector is definitely enough to stop a psycho that shows up at a school with a weapon of war. 🙄🙄🙄

The magical thinking, the complete lack of common sense and logic, this is such an American phenomenon.

Metal detectors do work. How many mass shootings happen in airports or courts? Don't play coy. They absolutely do work.

I just told you, the vast majority of courthouses in America DO NOT HAVE METAL DETECTORS at entrances. There have been numerous courthouse shootings in America. Educate yourself.

HOW WILL WE PAY FOR METAL DETECTORS AND THE MULTIPLE OFFICERS REQUIRED TO STAFF THEM AT THOUSANDS OF SCHOOLS ACROSS THE USA?! Put up or shut up.

Most counties and cities place bond or whatever referendums on ballots to finance improvements to schools or other large school expenditures. They would not need to be staffed, although an officer at each school would be even better. These size of expenditures are run of the mill. Nothing extraordinary at all.

I'm sorry you hold false beliefs that a metal detector does not deter gun carrying.

Are you some kind of troll?

A metal detector is USELESS without at least two armed staffing officers. Who would respond when the detector goes off?!?! You think the person set on mass murder at the school is just going to hear the alarm and say ‘oh whoops ya got me’ and drop their arsenal and handcuff themselves?!

You are either an idiot or a piece of excrement, arguing such ridiculously stupid things in the face of MURDERED ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN. Seriously, GFY.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to come up with a brilliant hashtag. Something along the lines of with us or against us. Or “we’ll give up assault rifles to protect children”, but much catchier. #real men don’t need gun shows. # one handgun is enough for my household. Too young to drink = too young to carry. Something. Pastors, country stars, athletes, ceos, car dealerships, nascar drivers, local anchorpeople…they need to be forced to take a stand on social. Who could have predicted the saturation and mainstream acceptance of Black Lives Matter or Pride? Momentum is so desperately needed.

This is actually a good suggestion. I am impressed that you can say something constructive. I am numb. There have been 215 mass shootings this year, and we are in May.