NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

Op is absolutely nuts. She posted the same question on another thread.

What’s nuts?

There’s a list of top college acceptances and the URMs, athletes and Big donors hoovered them all up. I’m sure they had decent grades and smarts too.

Of the 7 or so Athletic recruits I know from DC's Big 3 grad year ( in the last 2 years ), 4 were also Cum Laude society, Presidential Scholar nominee, who took the most challenging courses and were on several clubs in a leadership role ( Editor of school paper, etc.. ) in addition to being WAPO All Met, nationally ranked in their sport

Being a recruited athlete often means high performer in other areas, which is why colleges bet on them for decades

These girls are outstanding and deserve their admits. BUT what about the club leader, cum laude, most rigorous courses etc same profile but athlete ends up at Columbia and students 2 who is unhooked ends up at BU. They are both brilliant but one has a much stronger outcome. And imagine student 2 who is top of their class then facing all the other kids who aren’t cum laude and taking the most rigorous courses end up at higher ranked school due to the hooks. That sucks for student 2.

Then student 2 should have tried to be more like student 1 and be a great academic candidate AND a great athlete. But student 2 didn't show that kind of hard work and commitment. I'm sure student 2 had to work hard, but not as hard as athletes have to.

SO TRUE! Because no other extracurricular requires commitment and hard work!

Well, my daughter is a recruited athlete, leader of a pretty important club at school, and was selected for a very selective position that over half the students apply for and only a handful get. I promise you, the work and commitment that she has had to put into her sport to get to her level far and away exceeds what she has to put into ECs that you claim should be just as important. Colleges know this. They want kids who can be leaders of the ECs and balance with serious commitments.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine the undergraduate experience at a school with no athletes and only academic grinds. Sounds like fun!

That’s most universities in the world. They all seem to be doing fine.

Right, but most people in the world would rather come to our universities, and do.

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Anonymous wrote:Finally looked at the list. I'm a longtime teacher at a different school and wow, I'm impressed. I see talented young women ready to take the world by storm going to an awesome selection of schools around the country -- big state universities, small liberal arts colleges, schools renowned for humanities, schools known for engineering and STEM.

Congratulations NCS class of 2022! I know you've all worked hard and you will be so well prepared and represent yourselves, your family and your school amazingly. Loved seeing all the kids in different settings in some really stunning photos. Well done all of you! (And well done parents, your kids are poised to do so well at the next stage of their academic journey.)

So refreshing...a positive, non-snarky post on DCUM. Brava and I have no dog in the fight with respect to NCS.

Let's get real. OPs point was not that there weren't any impressive outcomes -- but rather that they were mostly legacy/URM/Athlete. Nothing that this longtime teacher says contradicts the point. OPs observation stays.

Wrong. OP was extremely derogatory toward the schools that she didn't deem worthy. She said she was "freaking out." And sadly, OP is not a student. She is a very typical DC private school mom who is terrified of telling her friends at Chevy that Larla is going to Elon.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine the undergraduate experience at a school with no athletes and only academic grinds. Sounds like fun!

how many students at MIT or Yale attend the typical game there? Check the attendance at the average baseball or lacrosse game. It's less than 1% probably. No one would miss it.

so sad that your definition of 'fun' limited to going to a game. you should get out more.

Have you been to sporting events at Yale or MIT? Obviously not. Especially at Yale, sports bring the normal people out and together. Yes, the nerds probably avoid it, but the smart, mainstream kids make it part of their experience. I know this firsthand, not from assumptions.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine the undergraduate experience at a school with no athletes and only academic grinds. Sounds like fun!

how many students at MIT or Yale attend the typical game there? Check the attendance at the average baseball or lacrosse game. It's less than 1% probably. No one would miss it.

so sad that your definition of 'fun' limited to going to a game. you should get out more.

Have you been to sporting events at Yale or MIT? Obviously not. Especially at Yale, sports bring the normal people out and together. Yes, the nerds probably avoid it, but the smart, mainstream kids make it part of their experience. I know this firsthand, not from assumptions.

+1 and I’ve attended sporting events at both of those schools.

I’m not sure anyone on this thread has pointed out the benefits particularly to women of participating in sports- greater confidence, better grades, and less depression. These factors absolutely contribute to lifelong success. I can’t tell you how impressive my Ivy League womens crew teammates have been in the sciences, business, medicine, and law twenty years on. Total rockstars who know how to work hard and stay focused.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine the undergraduate experience at a school with no athletes and only academic grinds. Sounds like fun!

how many students at MIT or Yale attend the typical game there? Check the attendance at the average baseball or lacrosse game. It's less than 1% probably. No one would miss it.

so sad that your definition of 'fun' limited to going to a game. you should get out more.

Have you been to sporting events at Yale or MIT? Obviously not. Especially at Yale, sports bring the normal people out and together. Yes, the nerds probably avoid it, but the smart, mainstream kids make it part of their experience. I know this firsthand, not from assumptions.

we know this firsthand as well, and there is lackluster attendance at best. don't try to make it something it's not. It might make you feel better to label people as 'nerds' and outside of the 'mainstream' but you're just showing your bias.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine the undergraduate experience at a school with no athletes and only academic grinds. Sounds like fun!

how many students at MIT or Yale attend the typical game there? Check the attendance at the average baseball or lacrosse game. It's less than 1% probably. No one would miss it.

so sad that your definition of 'fun' limited to going to a game. you should get out more.

Have you been to sporting events at Yale or MIT? Obviously not. Especially at Yale, sports bring the normal people out and together. Yes, the nerds probably avoid it, but the smart, mainstream kids make it part of their experience. I know this firsthand, not from assumptions.

+1 and I’ve attended sporting events at both of those schools.

I’m not sure anyone on this thread has pointed out the benefits particularly to women of participating in sports- greater confidence, better grades, and less depression. These factors absolutely contribute to lifelong success. I can’t tell you how impressive my Ivy League womens crew teammates have been in the sciences, business, medicine, and law twenty years on. Total rockstars who know how to work hard and stay focused.

what a surprise. minimally qualified Ivy League athlete trumpets success of other minimally qualified athletes. Hard work and the ability to stay focused totally don't present themselves in non-athletes. Good lord, are you implying that all the other non-athletes at your school didn't experience success?

Women can participate in sports without being recruited athletes - you realize that of course?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think this is just a ploy to get someone to withdraw from their contract before May 31st...?
If not, what does the newish HOS have to say about this? Perhaps a change is afoot?

Have you looked at the list of where girls are going to school next year? It’s very impressive. The OP is completely deranged seriously.

Op is absolutely nuts. She posted the same question on another thread.

What’s nuts?

There’s a list of top college acceptances and the URMs, athletes and Big donors hoovered them all up. I’m sure they had decent grades and smarts too.

Of the 7 or so Athletic recruits I know from DC's Big 3 grad year ( in the last 2 years ), 4 were also Cum Laude society, Presidential Scholar nominee, who took the most challenging courses and were on several clubs in a leadership role ( Editor of school paper, etc.. ) in addition to being WAPO All Met, nationally ranked in their sport

Being a recruited athlete often means high performer in other areas, which is why colleges bet on them for decades

These girls are outstanding and deserve their admits. BUT what about the club leader, cum laude, most rigorous courses etc same profile but athlete ends up at Columbia and students 2 who is unhooked ends up at BU. They are both brilliant but one has a much stronger outcome. And imagine student 2 who is top of their class then facing all the other kids who aren’t cum laude and taking the most rigorous courses end up at higher ranked school due to the hooks. That sucks for student 2.

Then student 2 should have tried to be more like student 1 and be a great academic candidate AND a great athlete. But student 2 didn't show that kind of hard work and commitment. I'm sure student 2 had to work hard, but not as hard as athletes have to.

SO TRUE! Because no other extracurricular requires commitment and hard work!

Well, my daughter is a recruited athlete, leader of a pretty important club at school, and was selected for a very selective position that over half the students apply for and only a handful get. I promise you, the work and commitment that she has had to put into her sport to get to her level far and away exceeds what she has to put into ECs that you claim should be just as important. Colleges know this. They want kids who can be leaders of the ECs and balance with serious commitments.

what's the female equivalent of jock sniffing? that's what this sounds like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Finally looked at the list. I'm a longtime teacher at a different school and wow, I'm impressed. I see talented young women ready to take the world by storm going to an awesome selection of schools around the country -- big state universities, small liberal arts colleges, schools renowned for humanities, schools known for engineering and STEM.

Congratulations NCS class of 2022! I know you've all worked hard and you will be so well prepared and represent yourselves, your family and your school amazingly. Loved seeing all the kids in different settings in some really stunning photos. Well done all of you! (And well done parents, your kids are poised to do so well at the next stage of their academic journey.)

So refreshing...a positive, non-snarky post on DCUM. Brava and I have no dog in the fight with respect to NCS.

Let's get real. OPs point was not that there weren't any impressive outcomes -- but rather that they were mostly legacy/URM/Athlete. Nothing that this longtime teacher says contradicts the point. OPs observation stays.

+1. Agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine the undergraduate experience at a school with no athletes and only academic grinds. Sounds like fun!

how many students at MIT or Yale attend the typical game there? Check the attendance at the average baseball or lacrosse game. It's less than 1% probably. No one would miss it.

so sad that your definition of 'fun' limited to going to a game. you should get out more.

Have you been to sporting events at Yale or MIT? Obviously not. Especially at Yale, sports bring the normal people out and together. Yes, the nerds probably avoid it, but the smart, mainstream kids make it part of their experience. I know this firsthand, not from assumptions.

+1 and I’ve attended sporting events at both of those schools.

I’m not sure anyone on this thread has pointed out the benefits particularly to women of participating in sports- greater confidence, better grades, and less depression. These factors absolutely contribute to lifelong success. I can’t tell you how impressive my Ivy League womens crew teammates have been in the sciences, business, medicine, and law twenty years on. Total rockstars who know how to work hard and stay focused.

if this is true, then sports at college should be open to all students, since they can all benefit from it. recruiting athletes runs counter to this - admit the kids who are actually qualified and let them benefit from this.

[Anonymous]

Have you been to sporting events at Yale or MIT? Obviously not. Especially at Yale, sports bring the normal people out and together. Yes, the nerds probably avoid it, but the smart, mainstream kids make it part of their experience. I know this firsthand, not from assumptions.


we know this firsthand as well, and there is lackluster attendance at best. don't try to make it something it's not. It might make you feel better to label people as 'nerds' and outside of the 'mainstream' but you're just showing your bias.

My kids were athletes at Yale and other Ivy League schools. Your reports of “lackluster attendance” may be true for some sports at some schools, but that’s definitely not what I witnessed. Students from all over the league go to the H-Y football game. Brown was PACKED last weekend for men’s lacrosse game, with a huge student section. When Harvard women played Princeton in soccer this year, there were hundreds of people in the stands. Princeton had hundreds there for the last home women’s lax game a few weeks ago. I have seen Ivy cross country meets where kids drove from Dartmouth/Penn/Yale to NYC to cheer on friends.

Sports are most certainly a part of campus life, and recruited athletes underpin that. Many of the recruited athletes I know had top grades and test scores in high school (NMSF, valedictorian, etc.), as well as clubs and the huge number of hours spent over years on their sport. These kids are legitimate applicants to these schools who would had a shot even without their sport. Add that in, and tgey make decisions easy for the admissions office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine the undergraduate experience at a school with no athletes and only academic grinds. Sounds like fun!

how many students at MIT or Yale attend the typical game there? Check the attendance at the average baseball or lacrosse game. It's less than 1% probably. No one would miss it.

so sad that your definition of 'fun' limited to going to a game. you should get out more.

Have you been to sporting events at Yale or MIT? Obviously not. Especially at Yale, sports bring the normal people out and together. Yes, the nerds probably avoid it, but the smart, mainstream kids make it part of their experience. I know this firsthand, not from assumptions.

+1 and I’ve attended sporting events at both of those schools.

I’m not sure anyone on this thread has pointed out the benefits particularly to women of participating in sports- greater confidence, better grades, and less depression. These factors absolutely contribute to lifelong success. I can’t tell you how impressive my Ivy League womens crew teammates have been in the sciences, business, medicine, and law twenty years on. Total rockstars who know how to work hard and stay focused.

I've been to MIT hockey games that were a ton of fun in a packed arena. I went to a basketball game and don't even think the players managed to convince their friends to show up.

[Anonymous]

NP. You can’t reason with DCUMs obsessed anti-athlete posters. They are obsessed. I would not try.

[Anonymous]

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Have you been to sporting events at Yale or MIT? Obviously not. Especially at Yale, sports bring the normal people out and together. Yes, the nerds probably avoid it, but the smart, mainstream kids make it part of their experience. I know this firsthand, not from assumptions.


we know this firsthand as well, and there is lackluster attendance at best. don't try to make it something it's not. It might make you feel better to label people as 'nerds' and outside of the 'mainstream' but you're just showing your bias.

My kids were athletes at Yale and other Ivy League schools. Your reports of “lackluster attendance” may be true for some sports at some schools, but that’s definitely not what I witnessed. Students from all over the league go to the H-Y football game. Brown was PACKED last weekend for men’s lacrosse game, with a huge student section. When Harvard women played Princeton in soccer this year, there were hundreds of people in the stands. Princeton had hundreds there for the last home women’s lax game a few weeks ago. I have seen Ivy cross country meets where kids drove from Dartmouth/Penn/Yale to NYC to cheer on friends.

Sports are most certainly a part of campus life, and recruited athletes underpin that. Many of the recruited athletes I know had top grades and test scores in high school (NMSF, valedictorian, etc.), as well as clubs and the huge number of hours spent over years on their sport. These kids are legitimate applicants to these schools who would had a shot even without their sport. Add that in, and tgey make decisions easy for the admissions office.

recruited athletes are a choice. if they disappeared tomorrow from Yale, no one would care other than the athletes. the miniscule percentage of students attending games would move on to something else. sports plays almost no role in the campus culture other than the Harvard football game which is just an excuse for daytime drinking.

as to the rest of your post, your kids benefitted from the ultimate hook. why can't you just admit that? the data from Harvard is unambiguous- 85-90% of recruited athletes would not have been admitted to Harvard based on their academic rating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. You can’t reason with DCUMs obsessed anti-athlete posters. They are obsessed. I would not try.

exactly. our kids are just better than their kids because they play sports.