APS & streaming CCPTA meetings?

Anonymous
What is the CCPTA doing to help with Equity in APS? The grant program and training is just "Rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship".

The CCPTA should take a leadership role in making our schools and student body more equitable instead of just hiding behind the same old 'walkability' argument. Even the 2021 proposed 'determining factors' of Transportation Efficiency, Utilization, Stability and Diversity/Equity places EQUITY last on the list. I hate to tell you but driving EQUITY in APS needs to make some well to do families families uncomfortable. https://ccpta.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/03/CCPTA-Boundary-Change-and-School-Move-Recommendations.pdf

The CCPTA needs to take a leadership role to drive EQUITY and not just high five each other for redistributing a few thousand bucks, doing some training and recommending policies that will just perpetuate the current inequities across APS.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What is the CCPTA doing to help with Equity in APS? The grant program and training is just "Rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship".

The CCPTA should take a leadership role in making our schools and student body more equitable instead of just hiding behind the same old 'walkability' argument. Even the 2021 proposed 'determining factors' of Transportation Efficiency, Utilization, Stability and Diversity/Equity places EQUITY last on the list. I hate to tell you but driving EQUITY in APS needs to make some well to do families families uncomfortable. https://ccpta.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/03/CCPTA-Boundary-Change-and-School-Move-Recommendations.pdf

The CCPTA needs to take a leadership role to drive EQUITY and not just high five each other for redistributing a few thousand bucks, doing some training and recommending policies that will just perpetuate the current inequities across APS.



Were you around when South Fairlington thought they might get bused to Drew? They were already on a bus to a severely overcrowded Abingdon.

All of these processes are inherently designed to be inequitable. This is the Arlington Way.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What is the CCPTA doing to help with Equity in APS? The grant program and training is just "Rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship".

The CCPTA should take a leadership role in making our schools and student body more equitable instead of just hiding behind the same old 'walkability' argument. Even the 2021 proposed 'determining factors' of Transportation Efficiency, Utilization, Stability and Diversity/Equity places EQUITY last on the list. I hate to tell you but driving EQUITY in APS needs to make some well to do families families uncomfortable. https://ccpta.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/03/CCPTA-Boundary-Change-and-School-Move-Recommendations.pdf

The CCPTA needs to take a leadership role to drive EQUITY and not just high five each other for redistributing a few thousand bucks, doing some training and recommending policies that will just perpetuate the current inequities across APS.



I agree with you that CCPTA should and can be the leading advocate on equity and related issues. But CCPTA made boundary policy change recommendations 2 or 3 years ago that specifically addressed the socioeconomic diversity issue. It did not put equity "last" but actually raised its importance by making it an equal part of the "formula." I think it streamlined the current 6 boundary principles into 4 because things like "proximity" and "stability" overlap and included other specific recommendations to highlight the demographics in the various boundary scenario proposals, etc.

Beyond advocacy, what do you think CCPTA can actually do to affect equity? What policies is CCPTA pushing that perpetuates the status quo? The grant and partnership programs are at least something they can actually implement; and running those programs at least starts to increase awareness, brings some people from different schools together, and proffers some assistance for poorer schools until the County and APS finally decide to enact other changes. It isn't a complete and instantaneous solution. But it's better than nothing and more than has been done in the past. I do wish they would focus on more things beyond the basics of providing food and clothes. But the pandemic made those needs even more urgent and it was really the only way for PTAs to help each other since nothing was going on in the actual school buildings.

CCPTA's profile and stature has increased in the past few years. I think Maura McMahon did a good job in making CCPTA more of an active player and raising its visibility, getting SB and APS leadership to take more notice. I think she also re-started having County Board members attend meetings. CCPTA never really tried to be an influential policy changer before and it takes time for a group to develop and gain real influence.

So, if you think you know what CCPTA should be doing, please share.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The meetings should absolutely be open to all dues-paying PTA members.


As responses have indicated, they are welcomed to attend. But it's the PTA that is the dues-paying member of CCPTA. Individual school parents pay dues to their individual school's PTA, not to CCPTA. They appoint - or should appoint - a CCPTA representative to be their voice. The problem is, most CCPTA reps don't actually report back to their PTAs and most PTAs don't really care enough to devote time in their meetings to CCPTA business/news. School PTAs are too focused on fundraising and doing more and more for their school, rather than tending to the advocacy PTAs are supposed to be doing.

So don't criticize CCPTA. Criticize your PTA and if you think they should be more engaged at the CCPTA level, then push them to become more engaged and volunteer to be their rep.


In addition to "being welcome", the CCPTA should openly publish agendas and meeting details. Everyone who pays dues to their PTA is funding the CCPTA (and VAPTA/National PTA).

I'm sure plenty of people would have liked to have known in advance that Kadera sucked up all CCPTA resources this past year to work on her pet project instead of the pandemic...


Sore loser. If you had been involved, bro, you’d already know all this information. FOIAs didn’t turn up anything, so now you want to b**** about something else you don’t understand because you couldn’t be bothered before now. Take your tired accusations and stuff them. There’s nothing hidden or nefarious. You’re just uninformed. Ask your PTA Pres or CCPTA rep, if you’re on speaking terms.


F off.

I voted for Kadera because she was less horrible than the APE nut. And I have attended CCPTA meetings myself. My gripe is how widely publicized and practically “open” the meetings are are for all APS families. They should know what CCPTA is up to...


Then get involved directly with CCPTA. Make your individual school PTA become more engaged and communicative about CCPTA and its activities and efforts. It's not a closed meeting. The public can observe. CCPTA hasn't been as technically saavy and resourced and doesn't currently have the wherewithal to stream meetings.


I have been involved.

It’s not that hard to share an agenda and zoom link. They definitely have their own zoom account, Twitter, etc.


Why would they share it with you, personally? Do they have your email? Have you asked your PTA Pres and/or CCPTA rep for the links? Good grief. Problem solve rather than complain and expect that anyone knows you’re sitting at home stewing that they’re up to something (what exactly do you think it is?) and personally excluding you from meetings you want to attend? JFC


I do get the agenda and sometimes participate. I read the minutes when I can’t join. I do know what they’ve been doing. Do you?

I’m saying they should make joining the meeting easier for everyone. Post the meeting info on their Twitter account. Post the agenda and info on how to join. Encourage people to join. None of these are difficult things.

Why TF are you so against making the meeting more accessible to more families? It could be a good resource to advocate for APS students if more people were involved and they weren’t distracted by nonsense.



Individuals don't join CCPTA. PTAs join CCPTA. It's the County Council OF PTAs! There's no reason for them to publicize how to join. It functions through PTA representatives. They don't need to make it easier for more families to attend or more accessible to more families. PTAs are the ones who should be encouraging people to join their group and encourage them to voice their concerns, issues, opinions through them to CCPTA. You may know what they're doing; but you don't seem to know how they're intended to operate.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The meetings should absolutely be open to all dues-paying PTA members.


As responses have indicated, they are welcomed to attend. But it's the PTA that is the dues-paying member of CCPTA. Individual school parents pay dues to their individual school's PTA, not to CCPTA. They appoint - or should appoint - a CCPTA representative to be their voice. The problem is, most CCPTA reps don't actually report back to their PTAs and most PTAs don't really care enough to devote time in their meetings to CCPTA business/news. School PTAs are too focused on fundraising and doing more and more for their school, rather than tending to the advocacy PTAs are supposed to be doing.

So don't criticize CCPTA. Criticize your PTA and if you think they should be more engaged at the CCPTA level, then push them to become more engaged and volunteer to be their rep.


In addition to "being welcome", the CCPTA should openly publish agendas and meeting details. Everyone who pays dues to their PTA is funding the CCPTA (and VAPTA/National PTA).

I'm sure plenty of people would have liked to have known in advance that Kadera sucked up all CCPTA resources this past year to work on her pet project instead of the pandemic...


Sore loser. If you had been involved, bro, you’d already know all this information. FOIAs didn’t turn up anything, so now you want to b**** about something else you don’t understand because you couldn’t be bothered before now. Take your tired accusations and stuff them. There’s nothing hidden or nefarious. You’re just uninformed. Ask your PTA Pres or CCPTA rep, if you’re on speaking terms.


F off.

I voted for Kadera because she was less horrible than the APE nut. And I have attended CCPTA meetings myself. My gripe is how widely publicized and practically “open” the meetings are are for all APS families. They should know what CCPTA is up to...


Then get involved directly with CCPTA. Make your individual school PTA become more engaged and communicative about CCPTA and its activities and efforts. It's not a closed meeting. The public can observe. CCPTA hasn't been as technically saavy and resourced and doesn't currently have the wherewithal to stream meetings.


I have been involved.

It’s not that hard to share an agenda and zoom link. They definitely have their own zoom account, Twitter, etc.


Why would they share it with you, personally? Do they have your email? Have you asked your PTA Pres and/or CCPTA rep for the links? Good grief. Problem solve rather than complain and expect that anyone knows you’re sitting at home stewing that they’re up to something (what exactly do you think it is?) and personally excluding you from meetings you want to attend? JFC


I do get the agenda and sometimes participate. I read the minutes when I can’t join. I do know what they’ve been doing. Do you?

I’m saying they should make joining the meeting easier for everyone. Post the meeting info on their Twitter account. Post the agenda and info on how to join. Encourage people to join. None of these are difficult things.

Why TF are you so against making the meeting more accessible to more families? It could be a good resource to advocate for APS students if more people were involved and they weren’t distracted by nonsense.



I’m not. But you make it sound like it’s a purposefully exclusive thing, when it’s more likely that everyone is just stretched thin and things like posting to social media or updating the website have fallen by the wayside during this crazy year. Seems like you might volunteer to take this on, since you are involved? Also, ask your own school rep to publicize the meeting information, or offer to do it, so your school community is kept informed.


Are you the PP who wrote “sore loser” above and made a series of false assumptions? Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder.

Whatever the reason, they should be more open and inclusive. Not even sure why this has been disputed.


DP - you're kidding, right? You think PP has a chip on THEIR shoulder? You're the one who sounds bitter and resentful. The fact you don't see that and took a very polite and respectful and reasonable comment as reflective of a "chip" just provides evidence of your own insanity. You don't seem to get it: CCPTA is not like a regular PTA whose membership is made-up of individuals. CCPTA's membership is made-up of PTAs. It's the responsibility of each PTA to send a representative and to provide the requested feedback. Guess what! THEY DON"T BOTHER. They might send a rep; but they rarely give any time to their rep in their own meetings and even if they do, they rarely actually discuss any of the issues the rep is bringing back from CCPTA. That's not CCPTAs fault and it's not their responsibility to disseminate information and links to every APS parent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The meetings should absolutely be open to all dues-paying PTA members.


As responses have indicated, they are welcomed to attend. But it's the PTA that is the dues-paying member of CCPTA. Individual school parents pay dues to their individual school's PTA, not to CCPTA. They appoint - or should appoint - a CCPTA representative to be their voice. The problem is, most CCPTA reps don't actually report back to their PTAs and most PTAs don't really care enough to devote time in their meetings to CCPTA business/news. School PTAs are too focused on fundraising and doing more and more for their school, rather than tending to the advocacy PTAs are supposed to be doing.

So don't criticize CCPTA. Criticize your PTA and if you think they should be more engaged at the CCPTA level, then push them to become more engaged and volunteer to be their rep.


In addition to "being welcome", the CCPTA should openly publish agendas and meeting details. Everyone who pays dues to their PTA is funding the CCPTA (and VAPTA/National PTA).

I'm sure plenty of people would have liked to have known in advance that Kadera sucked up all CCPTA resources this past year to work on her pet project instead of the pandemic...


Sore loser. If you had been involved, bro, you’d already know all this information. FOIAs didn’t turn up anything, so now you want to b**** about something else you don’t understand because you couldn’t be bothered before now. Take your tired accusations and stuff them. There’s nothing hidden or nefarious. You’re just uninformed. Ask your PTA Pres or CCPTA rep, if you’re on speaking terms.


F off.

I voted for Kadera because she was less horrible than the APE nut. And I have attended CCPTA meetings myself. My gripe is how widely publicized and practically “open” the meetings are are for all APS families. They should know what CCPTA is up to...


Then get involved directly with CCPTA. Make your individual school PTA become more engaged and communicative about CCPTA and its activities and efforts. It's not a closed meeting. The public can observe. CCPTA hasn't been as technically saavy and resourced and doesn't currently have the wherewithal to stream meetings.


I have been involved.

It’s not that hard to share an agenda and zoom link. They definitely have their own zoom account, Twitter, etc.


Why would they share it with you, personally? Do they have your email? Have you asked your PTA Pres and/or CCPTA rep for the links? Good grief. Problem solve rather than complain and expect that anyone knows you’re sitting at home stewing that they’re up to something (what exactly do you think it is?) and personally excluding you from meetings you want to attend? JFC


I do get the agenda and sometimes participate. I read the minutes when I can’t join. I do know what they’ve been doing. Do you?

I’m saying they should make joining the meeting easier for everyone. Post the meeting info on their Twitter account. Post the agenda and info on how to join. Encourage people to join. None of these are difficult things.

Why TF are you so against making the meeting more accessible to more families? It could be a good resource to advocate for APS students if more people were involved and they weren’t distracted by nonsense.



Individuals don't join CCPTA. PTAs join CCPTA. It's the County Council OF PTAs! There's no reason for them to publicize how to join. It functions through PTA representatives. They don't need to make it easier for more families to attend or more accessible to more families. PTAs are the ones who should be encouraging people to join their group and encourage them to voice their concerns, issues, opinions through them to CCPTA. You may know what they're doing; but you don't seem to know how they're intended to operate.


Anyone can attend a PTA or CCPTA meeting. Only dues-paying members (for CCPTA, representatives) can vote.

Are you trying to *dissuade* individuals from joining CCPTA meetings? Why is that?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The meetings should absolutely be open to all dues-paying PTA members.


As responses have indicated, they are welcomed to attend. But it's the PTA that is the dues-paying member of CCPTA. Individual school parents pay dues to their individual school's PTA, not to CCPTA. They appoint - or should appoint - a CCPTA representative to be their voice. The problem is, most CCPTA reps don't actually report back to their PTAs and most PTAs don't really care enough to devote time in their meetings to CCPTA business/news. School PTAs are too focused on fundraising and doing more and more for their school, rather than tending to the advocacy PTAs are supposed to be doing.

So don't criticize CCPTA. Criticize your PTA and if you think they should be more engaged at the CCPTA level, then push them to become more engaged and volunteer to be their rep.


In addition to "being welcome", the CCPTA should openly publish agendas and meeting details. Everyone who pays dues to their PTA is funding the CCPTA (and VAPTA/National PTA).

I'm sure plenty of people would have liked to have known in advance that Kadera sucked up all CCPTA resources this past year to work on her pet project instead of the pandemic...


Sore loser. If you had been involved, bro, you’d already know all this information. FOIAs didn’t turn up anything, so now you want to b**** about something else you don’t understand because you couldn’t be bothered before now. Take your tired accusations and stuff them. There’s nothing hidden or nefarious. You’re just uninformed. Ask your PTA Pres or CCPTA rep, if you’re on speaking terms.


F off.

I voted for Kadera because she was less horrible than the APE nut. And I have attended CCPTA meetings myself. My gripe is how widely publicized and practically “open” the meetings are are for all APS families. They should know what CCPTA is up to...


Then get involved directly with CCPTA. Make your individual school PTA become more engaged and communicative about CCPTA and its activities and efforts. It's not a closed meeting. The public can observe. CCPTA hasn't been as technically saavy and resourced and doesn't currently have the wherewithal to stream meetings.


I have been involved.

It’s not that hard to share an agenda and zoom link. They definitely have their own zoom account, Twitter, etc.


Why would they share it with you, personally? Do they have your email? Have you asked your PTA Pres and/or CCPTA rep for the links? Good grief. Problem solve rather than complain and expect that anyone knows you’re sitting at home stewing that they’re up to something (what exactly do you think it is?) and personally excluding you from meetings you want to attend? JFC


I do get the agenda and sometimes participate. I read the minutes when I can’t join. I do know what they’ve been doing. Do you?

I’m saying they should make joining the meeting easier for everyone. Post the meeting info on their Twitter account. Post the agenda and info on how to join. Encourage people to join. None of these are difficult things.

Why TF are you so against making the meeting more accessible to more families? It could be a good resource to advocate for APS students if more people were involved and they weren’t distracted by nonsense.



I’m not. But you make it sound like it’s a purposefully exclusive thing, when it’s more likely that everyone is just stretched thin and things like posting to social media or updating the website have fallen by the wayside during this crazy year. Seems like you might volunteer to take this on, since you are involved? Also, ask your own school rep to publicize the meeting information, or offer to do it, so your school community is kept informed.


Are you the PP who wrote “sore loser” above and made a series of false assumptions? Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder.

Whatever the reason, they should be more open and inclusive. Not even sure why this has been disputed.


DP - you're kidding, right? You think PP has a chip on THEIR shoulder? You're the one who sounds bitter and resentful. The fact you don't see that and took a very polite and respectful and reasonable comment as reflective of a "chip" just provides evidence of your own insanity. You don't seem to get it: CCPTA is not like a regular PTA whose membership is made-up of individuals. CCPTA's membership is made-up of PTAs. It's the responsibility of each PTA to send a representative and to provide the requested feedback. Guess what! THEY DON"T BOTHER. They might send a rep; but they rarely give any time to their rep in their own meetings and even if they do, they rarely actually discuss any of the issues the rep is bringing back from CCPTA. That's not CCPTAs fault and it's not their responsibility to disseminate information and links to every APS parent.


Huh? The PP started off by name calling and making countless false assumptions. That wasn’t polite or respectful at all.

CCPTA should absolutely publicize meeting info to the community.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The meetings should absolutely be open to all dues-paying PTA members.


As responses have indicated, they are welcomed to attend. But it's the PTA that is the dues-paying member of CCPTA. Individual school parents pay dues to their individual school's PTA, not to CCPTA. They appoint - or should appoint - a CCPTA representative to be their voice. The problem is, most CCPTA reps don't actually report back to their PTAs and most PTAs don't really care enough to devote time in their meetings to CCPTA business/news. School PTAs are too focused on fundraising and doing more and more for their school, rather than tending to the advocacy PTAs are supposed to be doing.

So don't criticize CCPTA. Criticize your PTA and if you think they should be more engaged at the CCPTA level, then push them to become more engaged and volunteer to be their rep.


In addition to "being welcome", the CCPTA should openly publish agendas and meeting details. Everyone who pays dues to their PTA is funding the CCPTA (and VAPTA/National PTA).

I'm sure plenty of people would have liked to have known in advance that Kadera sucked up all CCPTA resources this past year to work on her pet project instead of the pandemic...


Sore loser. If you had been involved, bro, you’d already know all this information. FOIAs didn’t turn up anything, so now you want to b**** about something else you don’t understand because you couldn’t be bothered before now. Take your tired accusations and stuff them. There’s nothing hidden or nefarious. You’re just uninformed. Ask your PTA Pres or CCPTA rep, if you’re on speaking terms.


F off.

I voted for Kadera because she was less horrible than the APE nut. And I have attended CCPTA meetings myself. My gripe is how widely publicized and practically “open” the meetings are are for all APS families. They should know what CCPTA is up to...


Then get involved directly with CCPTA. Make your individual school PTA become more engaged and communicative about CCPTA and its activities and efforts. It's not a closed meeting. The public can observe. CCPTA hasn't been as technically saavy and resourced and doesn't currently have the wherewithal to stream meetings.


I have been involved.

It’s not that hard to share an agenda and zoom link. They definitely have their own zoom account, Twitter, etc.


Why would they share it with you, personally? Do they have your email? Have you asked your PTA Pres and/or CCPTA rep for the links? Good grief. Problem solve rather than complain and expect that anyone knows you’re sitting at home stewing that they’re up to something (what exactly do you think it is?) and personally excluding you from meetings you want to attend? JFC


I do get the agenda and sometimes participate. I read the minutes when I can’t join. I do know what they’ve been doing. Do you?

I’m saying they should make joining the meeting easier for everyone. Post the meeting info on their Twitter account. Post the agenda and info on how to join. Encourage people to join. None of these are difficult things.

Why TF are you so against making the meeting more accessible to more families? It could be a good resource to advocate for APS students if more people were involved and they weren’t distracted by nonsense.



Individuals don't join CCPTA. PTAs join CCPTA. It's the County Council OF PTAs! There's no reason for them to publicize how to join. It functions through PTA representatives. They don't need to make it easier for more families to attend or more accessible to more families. PTAs are the ones who should be encouraging people to join their group and encourage them to voice their concerns, issues, opinions through them to CCPTA. You may know what they're doing; but you don't seem to know how they're intended to operate.


Anyone can attend a PTA or CCPTA meeting. Only dues-paying members (for CCPTA, representatives) can vote.

Are you trying to *dissuade* individuals from joining CCPTA meetings? Why is that?


Clearly you need professional help for a paranoia disorder.
Attend the meetings if you want. Nobody - including CCPTA - is stopping you. In fact, nobody is even trying to stop you. Just don't get PO'd when you're not given time to speak or to comment or ask a question or vote. Send your comments and questions and positions on issues to your PTA's CCPTA representative.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The meetings should absolutely be open to all dues-paying PTA members.


As responses have indicated, they are welcomed to attend. But it's the PTA that is the dues-paying member of CCPTA. Individual school parents pay dues to their individual school's PTA, not to CCPTA. They appoint - or should appoint - a CCPTA representative to be their voice. The problem is, most CCPTA reps don't actually report back to their PTAs and most PTAs don't really care enough to devote time in their meetings to CCPTA business/news. School PTAs are too focused on fundraising and doing more and more for their school, rather than tending to the advocacy PTAs are supposed to be doing.

So don't criticize CCPTA. Criticize your PTA and if you think they should be more engaged at the CCPTA level, then push them to become more engaged and volunteer to be their rep.


In addition to "being welcome", the CCPTA should openly publish agendas and meeting details. Everyone who pays dues to their PTA is funding the CCPTA (and VAPTA/National PTA).

I'm sure plenty of people would have liked to have known in advance that Kadera sucked up all CCPTA resources this past year to work on her pet project instead of the pandemic...


Sore loser. If you had been involved, bro, you’d already know all this information. FOIAs didn’t turn up anything, so now you want to b**** about something else you don’t understand because you couldn’t be bothered before now. Take your tired accusations and stuff them. There’s nothing hidden or nefarious. You’re just uninformed. Ask your PTA Pres or CCPTA rep, if you’re on speaking terms.


F off.

I voted for Kadera because she was less horrible than the APE nut. And I have attended CCPTA meetings myself. My gripe is how widely publicized and practically “open” the meetings are are for all APS families. They should know what CCPTA is up to...


Then get involved directly with CCPTA. Make your individual school PTA become more engaged and communicative about CCPTA and its activities and efforts. It's not a closed meeting. The public can observe. CCPTA hasn't been as technically saavy and resourced and doesn't currently have the wherewithal to stream meetings.


I have been involved.

It’s not that hard to share an agenda and zoom link. They definitely have their own zoom account, Twitter, etc.


Why would they share it with you, personally? Do they have your email? Have you asked your PTA Pres and/or CCPTA rep for the links? Good grief. Problem solve rather than complain and expect that anyone knows you’re sitting at home stewing that they’re up to something (what exactly do you think it is?) and personally excluding you from meetings you want to attend? JFC


I do get the agenda and sometimes participate. I read the minutes when I can’t join. I do know what they’ve been doing. Do you?

I’m saying they should make joining the meeting easier for everyone. Post the meeting info on their Twitter account. Post the agenda and info on how to join. Encourage people to join. None of these are difficult things.

Why TF are you so against making the meeting more accessible to more families? It could be a good resource to advocate for APS students if more people were involved and they weren’t distracted by nonsense.



I’m not. But you make it sound like it’s a purposefully exclusive thing, when it’s more likely that everyone is just stretched thin and things like posting to social media or updating the website have fallen by the wayside during this crazy year. Seems like you might volunteer to take this on, since you are involved? Also, ask your own school rep to publicize the meeting information, or offer to do it, so your school community is kept informed.


Are you the PP who wrote “sore loser” above and made a series of false assumptions? Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder.

Whatever the reason, they should be more open and inclusive. Not even sure why this has been disputed.


DP - you're kidding, right? You think PP has a chip on THEIR shoulder? You're the one who sounds bitter and resentful. The fact you don't see that and took a very polite and respectful and reasonable comment as reflective of a "chip" just provides evidence of your own insanity. You don't seem to get it: CCPTA is not like a regular PTA whose membership is made-up of individuals. CCPTA's membership is made-up of PTAs. It's the responsibility of each PTA to send a representative and to provide the requested feedback. Guess what! THEY DON"T BOTHER. They might send a rep; but they rarely give any time to their rep in their own meetings and even if they do, they rarely actually discuss any of the issues the rep is bringing back from CCPTA. That's not CCPTAs fault and it's not their responsibility to disseminate information and links to every APS parent.


Huh? The PP started off by name calling and making countless false assumptions. That wasn’t polite or respectful at all.

CCPTA should absolutely publicize meeting info to the community.



Their meeting schedule is on their website. If someone wants to know when they are, they can find them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The meetings should absolutely be open to all dues-paying PTA members.


As responses have indicated, they are welcomed to attend. But it's the PTA that is the dues-paying member of CCPTA. Individual school parents pay dues to their individual school's PTA, not to CCPTA. They appoint - or should appoint - a CCPTA representative to be their voice. The problem is, most CCPTA reps don't actually report back to their PTAs and most PTAs don't really care enough to devote time in their meetings to CCPTA business/news. School PTAs are too focused on fundraising and doing more and more for their school, rather than tending to the advocacy PTAs are supposed to be doing.

So don't criticize CCPTA. Criticize your PTA and if you think they should be more engaged at the CCPTA level, then push them to become more engaged and volunteer to be their rep.


In addition to "being welcome", the CCPTA should openly publish agendas and meeting details. Everyone who pays dues to their PTA is funding the CCPTA (and VAPTA/National PTA).

I'm sure plenty of people would have liked to have known in advance that Kadera sucked up all CCPTA resources this past year to work on her pet project instead of the pandemic...


Sore loser. If you had been involved, bro, you’d already know all this information. FOIAs didn’t turn up anything, so now you want to b**** about something else you don’t understand because you couldn’t be bothered before now. Take your tired accusations and stuff them. There’s nothing hidden or nefarious. You’re just uninformed. Ask your PTA Pres or CCPTA rep, if you’re on speaking terms.


F off.

I voted for Kadera because she was less horrible than the APE nut. And I have attended CCPTA meetings myself. My gripe is how widely publicized and practically “open” the meetings are are for all APS families. They should know what CCPTA is up to...


Then get involved directly with CCPTA. Make your individual school PTA become more engaged and communicative about CCPTA and its activities and efforts. It's not a closed meeting. The public can observe. CCPTA hasn't been as technically saavy and resourced and doesn't currently have the wherewithal to stream meetings.


I have been involved.

It’s not that hard to share an agenda and zoom link. They definitely have their own zoom account, Twitter, etc.


Why would they share it with you, personally? Do they have your email? Have you asked your PTA Pres and/or CCPTA rep for the links? Good grief. Problem solve rather than complain and expect that anyone knows you’re sitting at home stewing that they’re up to something (what exactly do you think it is?) and personally excluding you from meetings you want to attend? JFC


I do get the agenda and sometimes participate. I read the minutes when I can’t join. I do know what they’ve been doing. Do you?

I’m saying they should make joining the meeting easier for everyone. Post the meeting info on their Twitter account. Post the agenda and info on how to join. Encourage people to join. None of these are difficult things.

Why TF are you so against making the meeting more accessible to more families? It could be a good resource to advocate for APS students if more people were involved and they weren’t distracted by nonsense.



I’m not. But you make it sound like it’s a purposefully exclusive thing, when it’s more likely that everyone is just stretched thin and things like posting to social media or updating the website have fallen by the wayside during this crazy year. Seems like you might volunteer to take this on, since you are involved? Also, ask your own school rep to publicize the meeting information, or offer to do it, so your school community is kept informed.


Are you the PP who wrote “sore loser” above and made a series of false assumptions? Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder.

Whatever the reason, they should be more open and inclusive. Not even sure why this has been disputed.


DP - you're kidding, right? You think PP has a chip on THEIR shoulder? You're the one who sounds bitter and resentful. The fact you don't see that and took a very polite and respectful and reasonable comment as reflective of a "chip" just provides evidence of your own insanity. You don't seem to get it: CCPTA is not like a regular PTA whose membership is made-up of individuals. CCPTA's membership is made-up of PTAs. It's the responsibility of each PTA to send a representative and to provide the requested feedback. Guess what! THEY DON"T BOTHER. They might send a rep; but they rarely give any time to their rep in their own meetings and even if they do, they rarely actually discuss any of the issues the rep is bringing back from CCPTA. That's not CCPTAs fault and it's not their responsibility to disseminate information and links to every APS parent.


Huh? The PP started off by name calling and making countless false assumptions. That wasn’t polite or respectful at all.

CCPTA should absolutely publicize meeting info to the community.



Their meeting schedule is on their website. If someone wants to know when they are, they can find them.


Agenda? Zoom link?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The meetings should absolutely be open to all dues-paying PTA members.


As responses have indicated, they are welcomed to attend. But it's the PTA that is the dues-paying member of CCPTA. Individual school parents pay dues to their individual school's PTA, not to CCPTA. They appoint - or should appoint - a CCPTA representative to be their voice. The problem is, most CCPTA reps don't actually report back to their PTAs and most PTAs don't really care enough to devote time in their meetings to CCPTA business/news. School PTAs are too focused on fundraising and doing more and more for their school, rather than tending to the advocacy PTAs are supposed to be doing.

So don't criticize CCPTA. Criticize your PTA and if you think they should be more engaged at the CCPTA level, then push them to become more engaged and volunteer to be their rep.


In addition to "being welcome", the CCPTA should openly publish agendas and meeting details. Everyone who pays dues to their PTA is funding the CCPTA (and VAPTA/National PTA).

I'm sure plenty of people would have liked to have known in advance that Kadera sucked up all CCPTA resources this past year to work on her pet project instead of the pandemic...


Sore loser. If you had been involved, bro, you’d already know all this information. FOIAs didn’t turn up anything, so now you want to b**** about something else you don’t understand because you couldn’t be bothered before now. Take your tired accusations and stuff them. There’s nothing hidden or nefarious. You’re just uninformed. Ask your PTA Pres or CCPTA rep, if you’re on speaking terms.


F off.

I voted for Kadera because she was less horrible than the APE nut. And I have attended CCPTA meetings myself. My gripe is how widely publicized and practically “open” the meetings are are for all APS families. They should know what CCPTA is up to...


Then get involved directly with CCPTA. Make your individual school PTA become more engaged and communicative about CCPTA and its activities and efforts. It's not a closed meeting. The public can observe. CCPTA hasn't been as technically saavy and resourced and doesn't currently have the wherewithal to stream meetings.


I have been involved.

It’s not that hard to share an agenda and zoom link. They definitely have their own zoom account, Twitter, etc.


Why would they share it with you, personally? Do they have your email? Have you asked your PTA Pres and/or CCPTA rep for the links? Good grief. Problem solve rather than complain and expect that anyone knows you’re sitting at home stewing that they’re up to something (what exactly do you think it is?) and personally excluding you from meetings you want to attend? JFC


I do get the agenda and sometimes participate. I read the minutes when I can’t join. I do know what they’ve been doing. Do you?

I’m saying they should make joining the meeting easier for everyone. Post the meeting info on their Twitter account. Post the agenda and info on how to join. Encourage people to join. None of these are difficult things.

Why TF are you so against making the meeting more accessible to more families? It could be a good resource to advocate for APS students if more people were involved and they weren’t distracted by nonsense.



Individuals don't join CCPTA. PTAs join CCPTA. It's the County Council OF PTAs! There's no reason for them to publicize how to join. It functions through PTA representatives. They don't need to make it easier for more families to attend or more accessible to more families. PTAs are the ones who should be encouraging people to join their group and encourage them to voice their concerns, issues, opinions through them to CCPTA. You may know what they're doing; but you don't seem to know how they're intended to operate.


Anyone can attend a PTA or CCPTA meeting. Only dues-paying members (for CCPTA, representatives) can vote.

Are you trying to *dissuade* individuals from joining CCPTA meetings? Why is that?


Clearly you need professional help for a paranoia disorder.
Attend the meetings if you want. Nobody - including CCPTA - is stopping you. In fact, nobody is even trying to stop you. Just don't get PO'd when you're not given time to speak or to comment or ask a question or vote. Send your comments and questions and positions on issues to your PTA's CCPTA representative.


F off, troll.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the CCPTA doing to help with Equity in APS? The grant program and training is just "Rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship".

The CCPTA should take a leadership role in making our schools and student body more equitable instead of just hiding behind the same old 'walkability' argument. Even the 2021 proposed 'determining factors' of Transportation Efficiency, Utilization, Stability and Diversity/Equity places EQUITY last on the list. I hate to tell you but driving EQUITY in APS needs to make some well to do families families uncomfortable. https://ccpta.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/03/CCPTA-Boundary-Change-and-School-Move-Recommendations.pdf

The CCPTA needs to take a leadership role to drive EQUITY and not just high five each other for redistributing a few thousand bucks, doing some training and recommending policies that will just perpetuate the current inequities across APS.



I agree with you that CCPTA should and can be the leading advocate on equity and related issues. But CCPTA made boundary policy change recommendations 2 or 3 years ago that specifically addressed the socioeconomic diversity issue. It did not put equity "last" but actually raised its importance by making it an equal part of the "formula." I think it streamlined the current 6 boundary principles into 4 because things like "proximity" and "stability" overlap and included other specific recommendations to highlight the demographics in the various boundary scenario proposals, etc.

Beyond advocacy, what do you think CCPTA can actually do to affect equity? What policies is CCPTA pushing that perpetuates the status quo? The grant and partnership programs are at least something they can actually implement; and running those programs at least starts to increase awareness, brings some people from different schools together, and proffers some assistance for poorer schools until the County and APS finally decide to enact other changes. It isn't a complete and instantaneous solution. But it's better than nothing and more than has been done in the past. I do wish they would focus on more things beyond the basics of providing food and clothes. But the pandemic made those needs even more urgent and it was really the only way for PTAs to help each other since nothing was going on in the actual school buildings.

CCPTA's profile and stature has increased in the past few years. I think Maura McMahon did a good job in making CCPTA more of an active player and raising its visibility, getting SB and APS leadership to take more notice. I think she also re-started having County Board members attend meetings. CCPTA never really tried to be an influential policy changer before and it takes time for a group to develop and gain real influence.

So, if you think you know what CCPTA should be doing, please share.


Or we could all finally agree that neighborhoods aren’t equitable, yet people want to go to their neighborhood school. So we can shut up about “equity” between SES status of schools! It will never change. It is a waste of breath. Let’s move on to literacy, mental health, math tracking and other things that may change in the next generation.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the CCPTA doing to help with Equity in APS? The grant program and training is just "Rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship".

The CCPTA should take a leadership role in making our schools and student body more equitable instead of just hiding behind the same old 'walkability' argument. Even the 2021 proposed 'determining factors' of Transportation Efficiency, Utilization, Stability and Diversity/Equity places EQUITY last on the list. I hate to tell you but driving EQUITY in APS needs to make some well to do families families uncomfortable. https://ccpta.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/03/CCPTA-Boundary-Change-and-School-Move-Recommendations.pdf

The CCPTA needs to take a leadership role to drive EQUITY and not just high five each other for redistributing a few thousand bucks, doing some training and recommending policies that will just perpetuate the current inequities across APS.



I agree with you that CCPTA should and can be the leading advocate on equity and related issues. But CCPTA made boundary policy change recommendations 2 or 3 years ago that specifically addressed the socioeconomic diversity issue. It did not put equity "last" but actually raised its importance by making it an equal part of the "formula." I think it streamlined the current 6 boundary principles into 4 because things like "proximity" and "stability" overlap and included other specific recommendations to highlight the demographics in the various boundary scenario proposals, etc.

Beyond advocacy, what do you think CCPTA can actually do to affect equity? What policies is CCPTA pushing that perpetuates the status quo? The grant and partnership programs are at least something they can actually implement; and running those programs at least starts to increase awareness, brings some people from different schools together, and proffers some assistance for poorer schools until the County and APS finally decide to enact other changes. It isn't a complete and instantaneous solution. But it's better than nothing and more than has been done in the past. I do wish they would focus on more things beyond the basics of providing food and clothes. But the pandemic made those needs even more urgent and it was really the only way for PTAs to help each other since nothing was going on in the actual school buildings.

CCPTA's profile and stature has increased in the past few years. I think Maura McMahon did a good job in making CCPTA more of an active player and raising its visibility, getting SB and APS leadership to take more notice. I think she also re-started having County Board members attend meetings. CCPTA never really tried to be an influential policy changer before and it takes time for a group to develop and gain real influence.

So, if you think you know what CCPTA should be doing, please share.


Did the CCPTA really spend 2k on a Zoom Account? How is that even possible? That must be a group account every PTA in APS can use for that kind of $$$$.

Diversity and Inclusion Training - why not open it to all PTA members?

What the CCPTA should be doing is taking a leadership role in making APS more equitable. It seems like the opposite is happening. The reality is that poverty is being concentrated and the schools are getting less diverse. Every boundary change seems to be going in the WRONG DIRECTION.

But hey - maybe that is the role of the CCPTA just smile and keep celebrating the wins that are taking APS in the wrong direction.

Equity is the LAST consideration in the CCPTA Recommendations Regarding Boundary Change and Option School Move Policies and Processes March 2021
https://ccpta.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/03/CCPTA-Boundary-Change-and-School-Move-Recommendations.pdf

Four Determining Factors :
1. Transportation Efficiency
2. Utilization
3. Stability
4. Diversity and Equity

Change is hard and should make people feel uncomfortable. That is what real leadership does. Equity as the last part of the last factor is giving up.
Anonymous
OMG equity and diversity are listed as #4, but these are “equally weighted factors.” So it could have been listed as #1 and it was supposed to be as important as the other factors.
Clearly CCPTA needs to promote reading comprehension instead. Find another source of rage.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the CCPTA doing to help with Equity in APS? The grant program and training is just "Rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship".

The CCPTA should take a leadership role in making our schools and student body more equitable instead of just hiding behind the same old 'walkability' argument. Even the 2021 proposed 'determining factors' of Transportation Efficiency, Utilization, Stability and Diversity/Equity places EQUITY last on the list. I hate to tell you but driving EQUITY in APS needs to make some well to do families families uncomfortable. https://ccpta.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/03/CCPTA-Boundary-Change-and-School-Move-Recommendations.pdf

The CCPTA needs to take a leadership role to drive EQUITY and not just high five each other for redistributing a few thousand bucks, doing some training and recommending policies that will just perpetuate the current inequities across APS.



I agree with you that CCPTA should and can be the leading advocate on equity and related issues. But CCPTA made boundary policy change recommendations 2 or 3 years ago that specifically addressed the socioeconomic diversity issue. It did not put equity "last" but actually raised its importance by making it an equal part of the "formula." I think it streamlined the current 6 boundary principles into 4 because things like "proximity" and "stability" overlap and included other specific recommendations to highlight the demographics in the various boundary scenario proposals, etc.

Beyond advocacy, what do you think CCPTA can actually do to affect equity? What policies is CCPTA pushing that perpetuates the status quo? The grant and partnership programs are at least something they can actually implement; and running those programs at least starts to increase awareness, brings some people from different schools together, and proffers some assistance for poorer schools until the County and APS finally decide to enact other changes. It isn't a complete and instantaneous solution. But it's better than nothing and more than has been done in the past. I do wish they would focus on more things beyond the basics of providing food and clothes. But the pandemic made those needs even more urgent and it was really the only way for PTAs to help each other since nothing was going on in the actual school buildings.

CCPTA's profile and stature has increased in the past few years. I think Maura McMahon did a good job in making CCPTA more of an active player and raising its visibility, getting SB and APS leadership to take more notice. I think she also re-started having County Board members attend meetings. CCPTA never really tried to be an influential policy changer before and it takes time for a group to develop and gain real influence.

So, if you think you know what CCPTA should be doing, please share.


Did the CCPTA really spend 2k on a Zoom Account? How is that even possible? That must be a group account every PTA in APS can use for that kind of $$$$.

Diversity and Inclusion Training - why not open it to all PTA members?

What the CCPTA should be doing is taking a leadership role in making APS more equitable. It seems like the opposite is happening. The reality is that poverty is being concentrated and the schools are getting less diverse. Every boundary change seems to be going in the WRONG DIRECTION.

But hey - maybe that is the role of the CCPTA just smile and keep celebrating the wins that are taking APS in the wrong direction.

Equity is the LAST consideration in the CCPTA Recommendations Regarding Boundary Change and Option School Move Policies and Processes March 2021
https://ccpta.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2021/03/CCPTA-Boundary-Change-and-School-Move-Recommendations.pdf

Four Determining Factors :
1. Transportation Efficiency
2. Utilization
3. Stability
4. Diversity and Equity

Change is hard and should make people feel uncomfortable. That is what real leadership does. Equity as the last part of the last factor is giving up.


It is. They have been letting the PTA use the Zoom link for their meetings. Ours does. Really, you are embarrassing yourself.
post reply Forum Index » VA Public Schools other than FCPS
Message Quick Reply
Go to: