Arlington ECNL and Red Team movement

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Anonymous wrote:08 offers started couple of weeks ago.

Can you elaborate? Are you talking about ECNL or also for red? I knew ECNL invites went out a while ago, but I thought red team invites weren't going out until after last week's tryouts.

The chatter is some ECNL players are being dropped to Red. They will have till Arlington makes their official invites for the rest of the age group(excluding ECNL) but anyone pushed down is pressured to commit before the official announcement. They have a ton of interest and want to get outside players in. Also GA, White and Blue are in Covid lockdown. So I do not know how that will work for tryouts at other clubs but I image it will make it hard for any Arlington player caught by surprise.

I expect that players that were asked to move down will leave the club. No point in staying at the club that showed no loyalty, when they can get a spot on a top team for one of their competitors.

We are leaving Arlington and moving to a top team with a competitor. The player development mantra is a facade. You talk your way up here.

What age group? Looking at making a move to Arlington curious about the culture.

The culture at Arlington is excellent for the academy teams. Rosters are a reasonable size, players are selected on merit, all players get playing time (not equal, but reasonable), coaching is very good, and politics are minimal compared to other places we have been.

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I expect that players that were asked to move down will leave the club. No point in staying at the club that showed no loyalty, when they can get a spot on a top team for one of their competitors.


In competitive sports, you talking loyalty means either you are the best or, you are the worst in the team. Most times, the latter.


I donpt know that it does in the sense that PP means loyalty, but my son is neither the best of the worst on his team (non-Arlington). He is moving to Arlington because his current coach thinks he will be viewed as a better prospect by the club that he currently plays with in the future if he plays for Arlington for a year. To me, that seems like disloyalty (viewing someone more favorably because they went elsewhere).


That may be the stupidest thing Ive ever heard. A coach is sending your kid to another club to get coached better so he can come back to the old club with better skills so he can move up a level? What??? That does not sound right at all. Snort.

Yup, and also because he thinks that outside players are viewed more favorably that current players of the club. The latter part makes sense from a $ standpoint.

It absolutely does not. The club loses revenue cuz the kid leaves and they bank on him coming back...why? That's a stupid financial move. IF (and that's a big if) he is getting better training, why would he come back to a 2nd rate team? Or if he's trying to make top team, doesn't mean he improves all that much at Arlington if he hasn't done so already. I mean this smells buddy. Maybe they just want to get rid of the parents...lol.

Not the PP - but separate the coach from the club here. Imagine the coach is a good guy trying to help the kid, and prepared to go against the financial interest of the club to do so. "The club" is the bad guy here - not willing to give a deserving player a spot on the roster for the top team next year because they'd rather give that spot to a new incoming player in order to increase revenue. Then the story makes sense.

No, if the club is making enough money, they will move the kid up if he/she is talented enough to help them win. Winning brings players and THAT makes money. So sounds to me like the kid just isn't making the cut and for some reason, instead of recommending private lessons they are telling the kid to leave for (maybe but how would they really know) better training. Nah.

Again you are considering the coach and the club as a single entity. Separate the two in your mind and you can see how this could happen.

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It absolutely does not. The club loses revenue cuz the kid leaves and they bank on him coming back...why? That's a stupid financial move. IF (and that's a big if) he is getting better training, why would he come back to a 2nd rate team? Or if he's trying to make top team, doesn't mean he improves all that much at Arlington if he hasn't done so already. I mean this smells buddy. Maybe they just want to get rid of the parents...lol.


Not the PP - but separate the coach from the club here. Imagine the coach is a good guy trying to help the kid, and prepared to go against the financial interest of the club to do so. "The club" is the bad guy here - not willing to give a deserving player a spot on the roster for the top team next year because they'd rather give that spot to a new incoming player in order to increase revenue. Then the story makes sense.


No, if the club is making enough money, they will move the kid up if he/she is talented enough to help them win. Winning brings players and THAT makes money. So sounds to me like the kid just isn't making the cut and for some reason, instead of recommending private lessons they are telling the kid to leave for (maybe but how would they really know) better training. Nah.


Again you are considering the coach and the club as a single entity. Separate the two in your mind and you can see how this could happen.

I am the OP here. The coach is a solid guy, and our family is very fond of him. He would not give my son bad advice (in his view, others can objectively disagree with it), even if what he was saying was not in the interests of the club.

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^ that’s just a weird story. Why go back to the other Club? Why would you want to if that is what you think it takes to be promoted?

If we leave a Club, we ain’t going back. We have left a Club when our coach told kid he was a sure thing (best player on team) to be moved up and his name was on roster for following year—but out of his control he was over-ridden — 2 benchers were moved up as club favors by TD over him. They later tried to talk us into staying with a de facto offer. F@ck that and f@ck them. They show you how much you are valued, believe them the first time.

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It absolutely does not. The club loses revenue cuz the kid leaves and they bank on him coming back...why? That's a stupid financial move. IF (and that's a big if) he is getting better training, why would he come back to a 2nd rate team? Or if he's trying to make top team, doesn't mean he improves all that much at Arlington if he hasn't done so already. I mean this smells buddy. Maybe they just want to get rid of the parents...lol.


Not the PP - but separate the coach from the club here. Imagine the coach is a good guy trying to help the kid, and prepared to go against the financial interest of the club to do so. "The club" is the bad guy here - not willing to give a deserving player a spot on the roster for the top team next year because they'd rather give that spot to a new incoming player in order to increase revenue. Then the story makes sense.


No, if the club is making enough money, they will move the kid up if he/she is talented enough to help them win. Winning brings players and THAT makes money. So sounds to me like the kid just isn't making the cut and for some reason, instead of recommending private lessons they are telling the kid to leave for (maybe but how would they really know) better training. Nah.


Again you are considering the coach and the club as a single entity. Separate the two in your mind and you can see how this could happen.

I am the OP here. The coach is a solid guy, and our family is very fond of him. He would not give my son bad advice (in his view, others can objectively disagree with it), even if what he was saying was not in the interests of the club.

Well, GL moving your kid around like a chess piece. Hope he gains something from it.

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My kid has moved around. It has been an incredibly positive experience in most respects. Development that never would have occurred if they had settled down.

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Anonymous wrote:^ that’s just a weird story. Why go back to the other Club? Why would you want to if that is what you think it takes to be promoted?

If we leave a Club, we ain’t going back. We have left a Club when our coach told kid he was a sure thing (best player on team) to be moved up and his name was on roster for following year—but out of his control he was over-ridden — 2 benchers were moved up as club favors by TD over him. They later tried to talk us into staying with a de facto offer. F@ck that and f@ck them. They show you how much you are valued, believe them the first time.

My kid's team had this happen. Two years later we still think it was a mistake not moving him up.

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^ that’s just a weird story. Why go back to the other Club? Why would you want to if that is what you think it takes to be promoted?

Because the location is better for us.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has moved around. It has been an incredibly positive experience in most respects. Development that never would have occurred if they had settled down.

same with my kids. we had only good experiences and weren't chronic hoppers. older kid was 2 years, 2 years, 3 years and now in final place. it was developmentally necessary in our case. he remained on good terms with coaches and clubs and will often play with them in off-season things--tournaments, futsal, etc. the really positive aspect is that he knows so many players from all of the clubs and different training experiences---when he got to his freshmen year of HS there were kids (Former teammates, or kids he went abroad with to play) from all over the dmv in his class and on the soccer team. it's a small world.

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^ that’s just a weird story. Why go back to the other Club? Why would you want to if that is what you think it takes to be promoted?

Because the location is better for us.

Can’t argue with that. GL!

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Any 09 academy boys accepting from outside Arlington?

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Anonymous wrote:Any 09 academy boys accepting from outside Arlington?

No

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Getting bumped down to the second team leaves a sour taste in people's mouths and they know that the quality on the second team is way below what they are used to. Makes sense to leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting bumped down to the second team leaves a sour taste in people's mouths and they know that the quality on the second team is way below what they are used to. Makes sense to leave.

Makes sense to leave if you have somewhere better to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting bumped down to the second team leaves a sour taste in people's mouths and they know that the quality on the second team is way below what they are used to. Makes sense to leave.

Makes sense to leave if you have somewhere better to go.

Always keep your options open even if you are in good standing with your team. You never know what might happen. It is best to have several options because it is not an exact science and coaches value different qualities in players. Sometimes a player is not at the top team level and moving down is a good option, but sometimes the player is at the top team level, but the coach thinks he has better options (e.g., briinging new players from other clubs). In the latter case, a latteral move to another club is probably the best option.