Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand the civil unrest after the George Floyd murder and the cops firing upon protestors at Lafayette. I think it was justified. I showed up to support. But I just don't get the outrage over the guy with the 2-page long rap sheet on DC Courts who decided that, rather than accepting being stopped by police when doing dumb traffic infractions, decides instead to run into a car and kill himself. I'm white, and I've been stopped on a moped when I did dumb stuff. The cop car even followed me because I refused to pull over immediately in a bike lane and found a safe place to park to talk to the cop. My husband was pulled over on a bicycle. I guess we should just run and sue next time. I'm sure his family will sue and we'll get to foot the bill for that in addition to all the OT and destruction.

How does it help public safety when the police, in police cars, chase someone through the streets of DC for being on a moped on the sidewalk without a helmet?

Do you live in DC? Do you feel safer knowing that the police violate their own procedures on car chases on your streets?

Yes, I live in NE DC. I also don't support the no chase policy. I also don't care if the people fleeing a legitimate stop run into traffic. Do not care at all. I wish the police would do more traffic infraction enforcement.

People running from the police don't just kill themselves, they kill other people, and it's a predictable result of chases. My daughter goes to daycare a couple blocks from where this happened, and I do not want police creating dangerous situations on the sidewalks where she walks every day just because someone isn't wearing a helmet. Even I didn't care about Karon Hylton-Brown's life (which I do), I care about the safety of my community and it's a more dangerous place when officers act like they did here. Sure, Hylton-Brown could have stopped, but as a society we don't control that. We can (or at least should) be able to control the police.

You make it so simple. He was riding a moped on the sidewalk. That is dangerous. He was riding without a helmet. That is dangerous. He choose to flee the police. That is dangerous. He wasn't careful, which is why the police stopped him to prevent what happened and he flees and drives recklessly and dies. He is lucky no one else died due to his actions. What if he hit a stroller or parent with a child instead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Last night was the second night of protests regarding MPD's handling of the scooter incident and the subsequent death of a Brightwood resident.

Medics report several infants and several 14-18 year olds were pepper sprayed with tear gas, response escalated by poilice at 8:45 PM.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1QKYefjSb0

Here are some thoughts:

If you

- ride a moped on a sidewalk, without a helmet, and
- illegally flee a legal police stop, and
- wreck while evading police, then...

The outcome is 100% on you. There is nothing for reasonable, rational people to protest.

More

- If you bring an infant to a riot, you are negligent
- 14-18 year olds in Brightwood are hardly babies: that's the cohort committing much of the smash-and-grabs and muggings.
- People smashing squad car and HQ windows belong in jail
- Anyone launching powerful fireworks at police officers should do serious jail time

+1 You blame the police for getting things under control that the leaders should have kept in control. You don't bring babies to a protest especially with covid.

MPD is escalating the violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Last night was the second night of protests regarding MPD's handling of the scooter incident and the subsequent death of a Brightwood resident.

Medics report several infants and several 14-18 year olds were pepper sprayed with tear gas, response escalated by poilice at 8:45 PM.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1QKYefjSb0

Here are some thoughts:

If you

- ride a moped on a sidewalk, without a helmet, and
- illegally flee a legal police stop, and
- wreck while evading police, then...

The outcome is 100% on you. There is nothing for reasonable, rational people to protest.

More

- If you bring an infant to a riot, you are negligent
- 14-18 year olds in Brightwood are hardly babies: that's the cohort committing much of the smash-and-grabs and muggings.
- People smashing squad car and HQ windows belong in jail
- Anyone launching powerful fireworks at police officers should do serious jail time

Actually it’s against policy to chase a moped unless they have committed a felony.

So sorry, not sorry... the police are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand the civil unrest after the George Floyd murder and the cops firing upon protestors at Lafayette. I think it was justified. I showed up to support. But I just don't get the outrage over the guy with the 2-page long rap sheet on DC Courts who decided that, rather than accepting being stopped by police when doing dumb traffic infractions, decides instead to run into a car and kill himself. I'm white, and I've been stopped on a moped when I did dumb stuff. The cop car even followed me because I refused to pull over immediately in a bike lane and found a safe place to park to talk to the cop. My husband was pulled over on a bicycle. I guess we should just run and sue next time. I'm sure his family will sue and we'll get to foot the bill for that in addition to all the OT and destruction.

How does it help public safety when the police, in police cars, chase someone through the streets of DC for being on a moped on the sidewalk without a helmet?

Do you live in DC? Do you feel safer knowing that the police violate their own procedures on car chases on your streets?

Yes, I live in NE DC. I also don't support the no chase policy. I also don't care if the people fleeing a legitimate stop run into traffic. Do not care at all. I wish the police would do more traffic infraction enforcement.

People running from the police don't just kill themselves, they kill other people, and it's a predictable result of chases. My daughter goes to daycare a couple blocks from where this happened, and I do not want police creating dangerous situations on the sidewalks where she walks every day just because someone isn't wearing a helmet. Even I didn't care about Karon Hylton-Brown's life (which I do), I care about the safety of my community and it's a more dangerous place when officers act like they did here. Sure, Hylton-Brown could have stopped, but as a society we don't control that. We can (or at least should) be able to control the police.

You make it so simple. He was riding a moped on the sidewalk. That is dangerous. He was riding without a helmet. That is dangerous. He choose to flee the police. That is dangerous. He wasn't careful, which is why the police stopped him to prevent what happened and he flees and drives recklessly and dies. He is lucky no one else died due to his actions. What if he hit a stroller or parent with a child instead?

Is he more likely to hit a stroller when he's riding on the sidewalk or when he's being chased on the sidewalk? Is he more likely to hurt someone other than himself because he's riding without a helmet or because he's being chased. It actually is pretty simple. There's a reason the no chase policy exists, because chases are dangerous and they hurt and kill innocent people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I understand the civil unrest after the George Floyd murder and the cops firing upon protestors at Lafayette. I think it was justified. I showed up to support. But I just don't get the outrage over the guy with the 2-page long rap sheet on DC Courts who decided that, rather than accepting being stopped by police when doing dumb traffic infractions, decides instead to run into a car and kill himself. I'm white, and I've been stopped on a moped when I did dumb stuff. The cop car even followed me because I refused to pull over immediately in a bike lane and found a safe place to park to talk to the cop. My husband was pulled over on a bicycle. I guess we should just run and sue next time. I'm sure his family will sue and we'll get to foot the bill for that in addition to all the OT and destruction.

So it’s cool just to kill people based on if you like them or not?

Sorry that’s not how the law works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a motorcycle rider, if you choose to ride a moped like a mad person rather than stopping, including pulling out onto a cross street without looking, then yes, death is a possible and entirely likely outcome.

It’s illegal to chase a moped if the are not BBC a fleeing felon.

So if the cops break the law and it ends up in the death of another it’s manslaughter and they should accept the likely outcome.... loss of job, jdd sad I’m, payout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I understand the civil unrest after the George Floyd murder and the cops firing upon protestors at Lafayette. I think it was justified. I showed up to support. But I just don't get the outrage over the guy with the 2-page long rap sheet on DC Courts who decided that, rather than accepting being stopped by police when doing dumb traffic infractions, decides instead to run into a car and kill himself. I'm white, and I've been stopped on a moped when I did dumb stuff. The cop car even followed me because I refused to pull over immediately in a bike lane and found a safe place to park to talk to the cop. My husband was pulled over on a bicycle. I guess we should just run and sue next time. I'm sure his family will sue and we'll get to foot the bill for that in addition to all the OT and destruction.

This was debunked. Just have to look at the docket and resulting charges/fines.

The deceased was not some super criminal as is being framed by this comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You make it so simple. He was riding a moped on the sidewalk. That is dangerous. He was riding without a helmet. That is dangerous. He choose to flee the police. That is dangerous. He wasn't careful, which is why the police stopped him to prevent what happened and he flees and drives recklessly and dies. He is lucky no one else died due to his actions. What if he hit a stroller or parent with a child instead?

You know what's really dangerous? A police chase in a city. Which is why they're not supposed to do it.

When a moped rider doesn't wear a helmet, they endanger only themselves.

When police officers in police cars chase moped riders through city streets, they danger everyone on those streets.

[Anonymous]

Instead of chasing career criminals like this dc should actually keep them in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Instead of chasing career criminals like this dc should actually keep them in jail.

Keep people in jail for things at the level of not wearing a helmet? Or just for being Black? Just looking for clarification.

[Anonymous]

Serious question here. How did the scooter driver die? Did the police cruiser run him over?

That would be the police officer's fault.

Did he fall off of his scooter?

That would put the blame on the scooter driver for not wearing a helmet.

Did he hit another car?

Again, scooter driver's fault for not wearing a helmet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a motorcycle rider, if you choose to ride a moped like a mad person rather than stopping, including pulling out onto a cross street without looking, then yes, death is a possible and entirely likely outcome.

+1, from another rider.

And not wearing a helmet, too. Because if he had been, he’d very likely be alive.


He made a whole series of bad decisions that together resulted in him dying. Not doing even any one of them might’ve resulted in him living.

Ok, now do MPD. What could they have done differently?

Unless you're holding a seance there's not much to do with Karon's poor choices. Or are you arguing that if someone has even a minor fault then it doesn't matter?

Stop putting words in my mouth and then telling me what I said.


What I said was the deceased made a series of bad decisions that in summary caused his death. And that not doing any one of that combination of bad decisions might’ve been enough to have saved him.

Did MPD make bad decisions? I don’t know. I haven’t seen the video yet. Cops make bad decisions too. But cops had absolutely ZERO bearing on him not wearing a helmet. And that is likely what had to be the greatest contributor to his death. If the same exact scenario played out with no other factors changed, he’d be alive right now.

And the cops had nothing to do with him choosing not to wear a helmet. That’s all on him.

[Anonymous]

The same group that is horrified the police turned their lights on and scared the scooter driver is the same group that shouts every summer the police do not stop the ATV drivers who terrorize downtown.

They just want to complain. They will NEVER be satisfied with MPD.

How about this? Can we pull ALL scooter violations over so that people start wearing their helmets. Apparently, according to this thread, they don't wear their helmets, because the police can't enforce that law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand the civil unrest after the George Floyd murder and the cops firing upon protestors at Lafayette. I think it was justified. I showed up to support. But I just don't get the outrage over the guy with the 2-page long rap sheet on DC Courts who decided that, rather than accepting being stopped by police when doing dumb traffic infractions, decides instead to run into a car and kill himself. I'm white, and I've been stopped on a moped when I did dumb stuff. The cop car even followed me because I refused to pull over immediately in a bike lane and found a safe place to park to talk to the cop. My husband was pulled over on a bicycle. I guess we should just run and sue next time. I'm sure his family will sue and we'll get to foot the bill for that in addition to all the OT and destruction.

How does it help public safety when the police, in police cars, chase someone through the streets of DC for being on a moped on the sidewalk without a helmet?

Do you live in DC? Do you feel safer knowing that the police violate their own procedures on car chases on your streets?

Yes, I live in NE DC. I also don't support the no chase policy. I also don't care if the people fleeing a legitimate stop run into traffic. Do not care at all. I wish the police would do more traffic infraction enforcement.

People running from the police don't just kill themselves, they kill other people, and it's a predictable result of chases. My daughter goes to daycare a couple blocks from where this happened, and I do not want police creating dangerous situations on the sidewalks where she walks every day just because someone isn't wearing a helmet. Even I didn't care about Karon Hylton-Brown's life (which I do), I care about the safety of my community and it's a more dangerous place when officers act like they did here. Sure, Hylton-Brown could have stopped, but as a society we don't control that. We can (or at least should) be able to control the police.

You make it so simple. He was riding a moped on the sidewalk. That is dangerous. He was riding without a helmet. That is dangerous. He choose to flee the police. That is dangerous. He wasn't careful, which is why the police stopped him to prevent what happened and he flees and drives recklessly and dies. He is lucky no one else died due to his actions. What if he hit a stroller or parent with a child instead?

Is he more likely to hit a stroller when he's riding on the sidewalk or when he's being chased on the sidewalk? Is he more likely to hurt someone other than himself because he's riding without a helmet or because he's being chased. It actually is pretty simple. There's a reason the no chase policy exists, because chases are dangerous and they hurt and kill innocent people.

Right, so don't place any responsibility on him acting irresponsibility and blame the police. He killed himself with his actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The same group that is horrified the police turned their lights on and scared the scooter driver is the same group that shouts every summer the police do not stop the ATV drivers who terrorize downtown.

They just want to complain. They will NEVER be satisfied with MPD.

How about this? Can we pull ALL scooter violations over so that people start wearing their helmets. Apparently, according to this thread, they don't wear their helmets, because the police can't enforce that law.

Just FYI, "Anonymous" isn't a username on here, it's a wide range of people. You're welcome in advance.