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Anonymous wrote:Wowzers. I got a 1430 on my SAT and it was like the talk of my high school (about how high it was)! My kids are never getting into college!

How old are you PP? Back in the day (for me, graduating HS late 80s) a 1430 was a much better score than it is now.

Yeah, I had a 1370 and it was the highest SAT score in my grade at an UMC suburban high school. 1982. Times have changed.

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Anonymous wrote:Wowzers. I got a 1430 on my SAT and it was like the talk of my high school (about how high it was)! My kids are never getting into college!

How old are you PP? Back in the day (for me, graduating HS late 80s) a 1430 was a much better score than it is now.

1400 is the top 95%ile in SAT in 2020
1400 was the top 92%ile in SAT in 1990
1400 was the top 92%ile in 1980.

I don't know where this "old SAT" scores idea comes from, but it's not that accurate. It's more that we do a heck of a lot more self-sorting into highly educated neighborhoods now and colleges are more selective so you--who got a 1430 SAT--are more likely to live in an area like Northern Virginia with other people who also did and then their kids also do and it seems more common.

Source?

[Anonymous]

The SAT was "recentered" for the entering class of 1996. The result was it added for example around 60 points to the 75th percentile score. See the notes at the bottom of this page:

https://oir.yale.edu/sites/default/files/w032_firstyears_sats.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Are you willing & able to pay for Brown? If not, tell her now and don’t allow her to apply ED there (Under some scenarios, she could potentially apply RD and then, when you see all her results, you (pl) can decide which trade-offs are worth making.)

That said, she can’t do Washington & Lee (full ride) over W&M if she applies and gets into W&M as an ED applicant.

So if this is a price-sensitive decision, DC shouldn’t apply ED anywhere.

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OP here. It's my understanding that's no loner the case after a court decision last year. A friend of mine on the College Board told me "it's the wild west now."

If she gets in somewhere ED and someone else wants to entice her to come with a better financial offer, they can do that.

Please don’t do this, OP. If you don’t like the rules, don’t go ahead and cheat — just don’t play the game (i.e., don’t apply ED). If you run the Net Price Calculator and apply ED with the understanding of what you’ll be expected to pay, you CAN decline if your daughter doesn’t get the expected financial aid from the ED school. But please don’t F around with the ED prices just because you feel like it’s “the Wild West.”

It's not "cheating." The courts have ruled that the ED arrangements were effectively anti-trust violations, I believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you willing & able to pay for Brown? If not, tell her now and don’t allow her to apply ED there (Under some scenarios, she could potentially apply RD and then, when you see all her results, you (pl) can decide which trade-offs are worth making.)

That said, she can’t do Washington & Lee (full ride) over W&M if she applies and gets into W&M as an ED applicant.

So if this is a price-sensitive decision, DC shouldn’t apply ED anywhere.

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OP here. It's my understanding that's no loner the case after a court decision last year. A friend of mine on the College Board told me "it's the wild west now."

If she gets in somewhere ED and someone else wants to entice her to come with a better financial offer, they can do that.

You need something better than "after a court decision" and "it's the wild west now" to violate the rules.

I believe this referred to poaching students generally after they've made a decision, not to breaching the ED commitment.

+1 An ED agreement is still an ED agreement. Schools can still come after you, but you won't be let out of your ED commitment to take another/better offer.

Yes, you will. That's the implication of the court decision. https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2019/12/16/justice-department-sues-and-settles-college-admissions-group

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Anonymous wrote:I would think twice about applying ED at Brown --I know 4 kids that tried and got rejected (including my DD)

Look at historical college acceptances for your child's high school. How many have gotten accepted in the last 5 years?

She should definitely apply to Brown regular decision,

One last year. We're apparently on their radar now. She is meeting with the admissions officer for this region this week so we should know more later.

I still think it's highly unlikely she would get it. And have told her this.

Paying for it .. Well, some loans would be involved.

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Asking this question, OP:

If Brown is the first choice, and you can afford it, and you think she is likely at W&M and will love it there also...

...why WOULDN'T she apply to Brown ED?

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Anonymous wrote:Asking this question, OP:

If Brown is the first choice, and you can afford it, and you think she is likely at W&M and will love it there also...

...why WOULDN'T she apply to Brown ED?

Right! Especially if (as you’ve indicated) you have no qualms about reneging on your commitment if your daughter gets a better offer elsewhere?!

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Anonymous wrote:Are you willing & able to pay for Brown? If not, tell her now and don’t allow her to apply ED there (Under some scenarios, she could potentially apply RD and then, when you see all her results, you (pl) can decide which trade-offs are worth making.)

That said, she can’t do Washington & Lee (full ride) over W&M if she applies and gets into W&M as an ED applicant.

So if this is a price-sensitive decision, DC shouldn’t apply ED anywhere.

+1

OP here. It's my understanding that's no loner the case after a court decision last year. A friend of mine on the College Board told me "it's the wild west now."

If she gets in somewhere ED and someone else wants to entice her to come with a better financial offer, they can do that.

You need something better than "after a court decision" and "it's the wild west now" to violate the rules.

Yes, the rules change doesn’t really apply to ED. You have to sign a form for your high school and for the college when you are applying ED. When people say the rules have changed, I believe they mean people are still recruiting students after the 5/1 date. But ED students are still expected to honor their commitment (unless there is a financial issue - but if the school meets your need you go). My dd applied ED to her first choice and got in. She applied to other schools EA and withdrew applications or rejected offers. They continued to call or write but she committed to ED school. It would have looked really bad to our high school and the ED school if she backed out.

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I think maybe you should reconsider doing ED anywhere, as it is a legal commitment and all the other colleges can drop applications thereafter, if you renege on the deal.

So having said that - Brown / W&M / W&L all sound like excellent opportunities. She should definitely apply RD to all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think maybe you should reconsider doing ED anywhere, as it is a legal commitment and all the other colleges can drop applications thereafter, if you renege on the deal.

So having said that - Brown / W&M / W&L all sound like excellent opportunities. She should definitely apply RD to all of them.

^^^^ Again, This is TERRIBLE advice if Brown is your first choice and you can afford it. Also the first sentence doesn't seem to make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you willing & able to pay for Brown? If not, tell her now and don’t allow her to apply ED there (Under some scenarios, she could potentially apply RD and then, when you see all her results, you (pl) can decide which trade-offs are worth making.)

That said, she can’t do Washington & Lee (full ride) over W&M if she applies and gets into W&M as an ED applicant.

So if this is a price-sensitive decision, DC shouldn’t apply ED anywhere.

+1

OP here. It's my understanding that's no loner the case after a court decision last year. A friend of mine on the College Board told me "it's the wild west now."

If she gets in somewhere ED and someone else wants to entice her to come with a better financial offer, they can do that.

You need something better than "after a court decision" and "it's the wild west now" to violate the rules.

Yes, the rules change doesn’t really apply to ED. You have to sign a form for your high school and for the college when you are applying ED. When people say the rules have changed, I believe they mean people are still recruiting students after the 5/1 date. But ED students are still expected to honor their commitment (unless there is a financial issue - but if the school meets your need you go). My dd applied ED to her first choice and got in. She applied to other schools EA and withdrew applications or rejected offers. They continued to call or write but she committed to ED school. It would have looked really bad to our high school and the ED school if she backed out.

I guess it will depend on the school, but is there a typical window of time by which you will receive the FA info? I assume you are not expected to withdraw other applications until after you hear the FA offer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD is 4.53 GPA and will graduate with 13 APs, I think (maybe 12 and a DE). She scored 1400 SAT, so slightly low. APs are all 5s and 4s for the ones taken junior and sophomore year. SHe's currently taking AP Physics, AP Calculus AB, AP Psychology, AP Lit, International Relations DE and AP Gov. Great extracurriculars. She took the in-school SAT on Sept. 23 and waiting on score. Taking SAT again this Saturday.

She's thinking about ED at William and Mary. She's talking to Brown as well, but knows full well that's a huge reach.

But also considering honors college at Christopher Newport. Meanwhile, Virginia Wesleyan is dangling the possibility of full ride at Batten Honors College. And she may apply to Washington & Lee as well to see if she gets one of THEIR full ride scholarships.

The big question is whether to shoot the moon and apply at Brown ED on Nov. 1 or take the more likely good outcome at W&M. I'm telling her W&M is the better choice in that scenario. The secondary question is W&M over a full ride at some place like Wesleyan? I think she'd do Washington & Lee over W&M if she got a full ride. But maybe not Virginia Wesleyan. I just don't know anything about their honors college.

She views Christopher Newport as a safety.

what is her unweighted GPA?

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Anonymous wrote:I would think twice about applying ED at Brown --I know 4 kids that tried and got rejected (including my DD)

Look at historical college acceptances for your child's high school. How many have gotten accepted in the last 5 years?

She should definitely apply to Brown regular decision,

This makes no sense whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

No decisions until your received the results of her next SAT.