North’s Carolina Courage & UFA leave DA for ECNL

[Anonymous]

NC Courage is a legit club, and UFA leaving puts Tophat in Atlanta looking very lonely with just a handful of crap clubs very far away in Florida to play.

GDA will be in full death spiral phase if TH or Solar jump. Nationals (GDA midwest) must be looking at their contract with ussf and wondering if they should jump.

More and more GDA clubs are looking at deteriorating competition and worsening travel schedules at a very bad time.

Time running out for USSF to write GDA's obituary in any way other than abject failure. Look for them to use the current crisis as a way to bow out.

[Anonymous]

It would be good if there were more options in ECNL that are local, especially at this time. I doubt people from MD are really looking to travel to NY and NJ in this time of Coronavirus when there are currently 4 ECNL teams to choose from less than an hour away in VA. Long term priorities need to shift for players and parents to keep everyone safe and reduce the insane expense and travel schedules for all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see another ECNL team in NoVA. If VDA implodes, FCV could take over that area if it moves closer. A FCV/BRYC merger makes some sense. I just don't see FCV sustaining itself as DA implodes. I imagine that DA will struggle to survive the CV. Arlington players are already looking for an exit [b]and MU is basically done. FCV has strong enough teams to remain relevant but that is not sustainable for rising age groups. Why risk you future in the DA when ECNL is a serious option.

What does this mean? Arlington has fielded successful girls DA teams-why would they want to leave?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see another ECNL team in NoVA. If VDA implodes, FCV could take over that area if it moves closer. A FCV/BRYC merger makes some sense. I just don't see FCV sustaining itself as DA implodes. I imagine that DA will struggle to survive the CV. Arlington players are already looking for an exit [b]and MU is basically done. FCV has strong enough teams to remain relevant but that is not sustainable for rising age groups. Why risk you future in the DA when ECNL is a serious option.

What does this mean? Arlington has fielded successful girls DA teams-why would they want to leave?

Not the poster....but do you think clubs are leaving DA because they can’t field successful teams?

They’re leaving because the cost/benefit ratio doesn’t justify further participation.

If you are not aware, running a GDA is extremely expensive for the club to run.

USSF needs to bow out of the youth market and focus on a MLS/NWSL merger and focus on selecting the 1 percent as players mature and filter them into true MLS/NWSL academy...similar to England.

If you haven’t noticed, the BDA is about to take a major hit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see another ECNL team in NoVA. If VDA implodes, FCV could take over that area if it moves closer. A FCV/BRYC merger makes some sense. I just don't see FCV sustaining itself as DA implodes. I imagine that DA will struggle to survive the CV. Arlington players are already looking for an exit [b]and MU is basically done. FCV has strong enough teams to remain relevant but that is not sustainable for rising age groups. Why risk you future in the DA when ECNL is a serious option.

What does this mean? Arlington has fielded successful girls DA teams-why would they want to leave?

Not the poster....but do you think clubs are leaving DA because they can’t field successful teams?

They’re leaving because the cost/benefit ratio doesn’t justify further participation.

If you are not aware, running a GDA is extremely expensive for the club to run.

USSF needs to bow out of the youth market and focus on a MLS/NWSL merger and focus on selecting the 1 percent as players mature and filter them into true MLS/NWSL academy...similar to England.

If you haven’t noticed, the BDA is about to take a major hit.

All of you folks rooting against US Soccer and for this further fragmentation of soccer in the US are pissing in the wind. These developments, if they lead to the dissolution of the DAs, will not help this country do any better. The countries that do well have well developed culture and professional leagues around soccer. The US doesn't. US Soccer is trying to help with that gap via the DAs. If clubs break that up because of their thirst for $$, it may help their packetbooks but will leave soccer in the US in a worse state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see another ECNL team in NoVA. If VDA implodes, FCV could take over that area if it moves closer. A FCV/BRYC merger makes some sense. I just don't see FCV sustaining itself as DA implodes. I imagine that DA will struggle to survive the CV. Arlington players are already looking for an exit [b]and MU is basically done. FCV has strong enough teams to remain relevant but that is not sustainable for rising age groups. Why risk you future in the DA when ECNL is a serious option.

What does this mean? Arlington has fielded successful girls DA teams-why would they want to leave?

Not the poster....but do you think clubs are leaving DA because they can’t field successful teams?

They’re leaving because the cost/benefit ratio doesn’t justify further participation.

If you are not aware, running a GDA is extremely expensive for the club to run.

USSF needs to bow out of the youth market and focus on a MLS/NWSL merger and focus on selecting the 1 percent as players mature and filter them into true MLS/NWSL academy...similar to England.

If you haven’t noticed, the BDA is about to take a major hit.

All of you folks rooting against US Soccer and for this further fragmentation of soccer in the US are pissing in the wind. These developments, if they lead to the dissolution of the DAs, will not help this country do any better. The countries that do well have well developed culture and professional leagues around soccer. The US doesn't. US Soccer is trying to help with that gap via the DAs. If clubs break that up because of their thirst for $$, it may help their packetbooks but will leave soccer in the US in a worse state.

It does seem strange that people are hoping for a DA fail. Most of the ideas behind DA are intended to increase quality of training, staff and facilities. Yes, these will cost more for the club, but the player (and their family) will receive a much better (quality controlled) experience. The DA is truly player centered. Don’t believe for a second that the clubs choosing away from DA will be passing any savings on to their players. The players will continue to be paying just as much but with fewer product standards (and likely roster dilution) Also, the clubs Director will probably be driving a much nicer car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see another ECNL team in NoVA. If VDA implodes, FCV could take over that area if it moves closer. A FCV/BRYC merger makes some sense. I just don't see FCV sustaining itself as DA implodes. I imagine that DA will struggle to survive the CV. Arlington players are already looking for an exit [b]and MU is basically done. FCV has strong enough teams to remain relevant but that is not sustainable for rising age groups. Why risk you future in the DA when ECNL is a serious option.

What does this mean? Arlington has fielded successful girls DA teams-why would they want to leave?

Not the poster....but do you think clubs are leaving DA because they can’t field successful teams?

They’re leaving because the cost/benefit ratio doesn’t justify further participation.

If you are not aware, running a GDA is extremely expensive for the club to run.

USSF needs to bow out of the youth market and focus on a MLS/NWSL merger and focus on selecting the 1 percent as players mature and filter them into true MLS/NWSL academy...similar to England.

If you haven’t noticed, the BDA is about to take a major hit.

All of you folks rooting against US Soccer and for this further fragmentation of soccer in the US are pissing in the wind. These developments, if they lead to the dissolution of the DAs, will not help this country do any better. The countries that do well have well developed culture and professional leagues around soccer. The US doesn't. US Soccer is trying to help with that gap via the DAs. If clubs break that up because of their thirst for $$, it may help their packetbooks but will leave soccer in the US in a worse state.

It does seem strange that people are hoping for a DA fail. Most of the ideas behind DA are intended to increase quality of training, staff and facilities. Yes, these will cost more for the club, but the player (and their family) will receive a much better (quality controlled) experience. The DA is truly player centered. Don’t believe for a second that the clubs choosing away from DA will be passing any savings on to their players. The players will continue to be paying just as much but with fewer product standards (and likely roster dilution) Also, the clubs Director will probably be driving a much nicer car.

What constitutes quality is in the eye of the beholder. There is not one formula that guarantees development and fits all. What people want is to minimize dilution and travel. Dropping back to one national league will do that. I don't have a problem with club directors making money either. After all, youth soccer is a business and that part is here to stay. Nobody is so altruistic that they're going to develop players without leveraging their effort to best advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: it’s the married couple again. Easier to ping pong your tag team across the kitchen table at home, we see.

+1. And the same RIP DA every single time. At least be original.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2020/03/23/north-carolina-courage-and-united-futbol-academy-ga-join-ecnl-girls-for-2020-21-season/

What's weird is they were already in the ECNL. NCFC is part of the same organization.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2020/03/23/north-carolina-courage-and-united-futbol-academy-ga-join-ecnl-girls-for-2020-21-season/

What's weird is they were already in the ECNL. NCFC is part of the same organization.

They will have two teams in ecnl next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2020/03/23/north-carolina-courage-and-united-futbol-academy-ga-join-ecnl-girls-for-2020-21-season/

What's weird is they were already in the ECNL. NCFC is part of the same organization.

They will have two teams in ecnl next year.

Ahhh! The money train! Now I get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2020/03/23/north-carolina-courage-and-united-futbol-academy-ga-join-ecnl-girls-for-2020-21-season/

What's weird is they were already in the ECNL. NCFC is part of the same organization.

They will have two teams in ecnl next year.

Ahhh! The money train! Now I get it.

They already had two teams (1-GDA / 1- ECNL) They will now have two ECNL teams. NCFC/NC Courage is CASL and CASL is big enough to field two good teams per age group. They are the largest youth club in North Carolina.

Several mega clubs had both GDA and ECNL and have since went "all in" ECNL. These clubs had the benefit of doing a side by side comparison. There are a couple more club out there that still field both. Charlotte Independence is one to be watching with the NC Courage move.

This a pay to play model. The money must come from somewhere. It sure in the heck isn't coming from USSF and their surplus.

Mostly all MLS BDA Academies are free. The NWSL should do the same and the USSF should fully fund it. Put their money where their mouth is..Until then, its just another hypocritical soap box speech.

The rest of us will pay to play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't see another ECNL team in NoVA. If VDA implodes, FCV could take over that area if it moves closer. A FCV/BRYC merger makes some sense. I just don't see FCV sustaining itself as DA implodes. I imagine that DA will struggle to survive the CV. Arlington players are already looking for an exit [b]and MU is basically done. FCV has strong enough teams to remain relevant but that is not sustainable for rising age groups. Why risk you future in the DA when ECNL is a serious option.

What does this mean? Arlington has fielded successful girls DA teams-why would they want to leave?

Not the poster....but do you think clubs are leaving DA because they can’t field successful teams?

They’re leaving because the cost/benefit ratio doesn’t justify further participation.

If you are not aware, running a GDA is extremely expensive for the club to run.

USSF needs to bow out of the youth market and focus on a MLS/NWSL merger and focus on selecting the 1 percent as players mature and filter them into true MLS/NWSL academy...similar to England.

If you haven’t noticed, the BDA is about to take a major hit.

All of you folks rooting against US Soccer and for this further fragmentation of soccer in the US are pissing in the wind. These developments, if they lead to the dissolution of the DAs, will not help this country do any better. The countries that do well have well developed culture and professional leagues around soccer. The US doesn't. US Soccer is trying to help with that gap via the DAs. If clubs break that up because of their thirst for $$, it may help their packetbooks but will leave soccer in the US in a worse state.

It does seem strange that people are hoping for a DA fail. Most of the ideas behind DA are intended to increase quality of training, staff and facilities. Yes, these will cost more for the club, but the player (and their family) will receive a much better (quality controlled) experience. The DA is truly player centered. Don’t believe for a second that the clubs choosing away from DA will be passing any savings on to their players. The players will continue to be paying just as much but with fewer product standards (and likely roster dilution) Also, the clubs Director will probably be driving a much nicer car.

Name a top soccer country where the national governing body also runs the to top youth league. I’ll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:^^ok. ECNL would take FCV back in a hot second. Don’t kid yourself.

Okay.

Loudoun (Loudoun County) , Mclean (Western/ Northern Fairfax) , BRYC (Central /Eastern Fairfax) and VDA (Prince William)

I don't see ECNL adding a Fifth ECNL club in NOVA. If they do, they're better off with Arlington.

FCV would re-enter through a merger. Do you really see a FCV/Loudoun merger? I don't.

My 2 cents. I obviously could be wrong.

VDA will dissolve or get kicked out of ECNL. They are terrible. FCV already pulls from Maryland, South County, Prince William, Oakton, Reston, Herndon, Vienna, McLean.... they will be just fine on their own.. No merger required.

Lol. Calm down FCV dad. VDA isn’t going anywhere on the boys or girls side. Wishful thinking. I think BRYC will be the most likely to get kicked out. Loudoun is going to be on top when GDA ends and TSJFCV is playing ncsl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't see another ECNL team in NoVA. If VDA implodes, FCV could take over that area if it moves closer. A FCV/BRYC merger makes some sense. I just don't see FCV sustaining itself as DA implodes. I imagine that DA will struggle to survive the CV. Arlington players are already looking for an exit [b]and MU is basically done. FCV has strong enough teams to remain relevant but that is not sustainable for rising age groups. Why risk you future in the DA when ECNL is a serious option.

What does this mean? Arlington has fielded successful girls DA teams-why would they want to leave?

Not the poster....but do you think clubs are leaving DA because they can’t field successful teams?

They’re leaving because the cost/benefit ratio doesn’t justify further participation.

If you are not aware, running a GDA is extremely expensive for the club to run.

USSF needs to bow out of the youth market and focus on a MLS/NWSL merger and focus on selecting the 1 percent as players mature and filter them into true MLS/NWSL academy...similar to England.

If you haven’t noticed, the BDA is about to take a major hit.

All of you folks rooting against US Soccer and for this further fragmentation of soccer in the US are pissing in the wind. These developments, if they lead to the dissolution of the DAs, will not help this country do any better. The countries that do well have well developed culture and professional leagues around soccer. The US doesn't. US Soccer is trying to help with that gap via the DAs. If clubs break that up because of their thirst for $$, it may help their packetbooks but will leave soccer in the US in a worse state.

It does seem strange that people are hoping for a DA fail. Most of the ideas behind DA are intended to increase quality of training, staff and facilities. Yes, these will cost more for the club, but the player (and their family) will receive a much better (quality controlled) experience. The DA is truly player centered. Don’t believe for a second that the clubs choosing away from DA will be passing any savings on to their players. The players will continue to be paying just as much but with fewer product standards (and likely roster dilution) Also, the clubs Director will probably be driving a much nicer car.

What constitutes quality is in the eye of the beholder. There is not one formula that guarantees development and fits all. What people want is to minimize dilution and travel. Dropping back to one national league will do that. I don't have a problem with club directors making money either. After all, youth soccer is a business and that part is here to stay. Nobody is so altruistic that they're going to develop players without leveraging their effort to best advantage.

ECNL is not doing anything to reduce dilution. They are handing membership to any club that comes knocking. They can do this because there are little to no entry or operational requirements. Most parents have no clue what to look for in a soccer club, so the eye of the beholder argument is BS wrt quality - I can see it regarding value and ROI because people are looking for different experiences. If the club is for profit, the Directors are free to make much as money as they can convince their players to give them. If the clubs are non-profit, the Directors can’t. ECNL is like the android phone - some are good, most are crap. DA is like the iphone - almost always good.