Loudoun ECNL?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the problem with US soccer is a much bigger discussion. The comments above appear to be about 1) would Loudoun get ECNL 2) would they keep DA relationship with FCV and 3) what caused the Spirit deal to go bad. They did not seem to be justifications of good or bad decisions - but just what fueled the decisions. And yes, the US system is a mess. Add to it that we dont even leverage one club to support academies for boys and girls and their development. Spirit and DC United should be one club - like a Ladies and Mens Man United Academy. As long as soccer in the US is club centric and not player development centric - and that you have non profit and for profit clubs mixed....you will have issues.

Again, the money I get. No problem walking away from a boondoggle.

However, our overall pyramid is fractured and this discussion is a manifestation of that. You are correct in saying that our system is to club centric. If the interest of the players where put first there would be nothing wrong with Loudoun Soccer or any other club "losing" losing their top players to a Spirit or DC United. Clubs should either National, Regional, or local, period.

As a player you move up from your local, "town club" to a regional Club and then a National club. Clubs should not have teams participate outside of their level. If you are a regional club, that is what you are, you do not have teams participating in local or national leagues. Essentially, a local club feeds your club and you in turn feed the national club. Your claim to fame as a club is to move kids, NOT TEAMS to the next level.

The benefits of this are:

It is player centric.
Costs for local teams especially can be reduced dramatically.
The local and regional leagues can still have multiple divisions supporting multiple teams per club and utilize promotion relegation if they wish.

AGREED>

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree there are too many clubs. Its hard to find field time for the teams in the club as well. We live near Tysons and it would be fine to travel to McLean, Vienna, Falls Church or Great Falls for practices. A lot of kids on teams come from further away anyway.

It makes it hard for families to decide on a team when they try out in the spring but have no idea of the coach, the practice schedule or field location, or any type of game/tournament schedule. All the things that make it easier for the parents to get their kids where they need to be.

is it too much to ask for us to go back to the good old days - where you played rec until High School and you played multiple sports? Sigh....I digress

I think it would be great if they had try-outs and more kids didn't make travel teams. Now at some places 80% of kids get offers because the clubs want more money and the parents want their kids on a travel team. When what parents really want half the time is a rec team with a paid coach vs. a parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not Duh. There are other models out there. VDA retains control of players, training and coaching. The difference is do you align with a professional club or not. VDA can hold players until graduation and claim their movement into national team pool or to a college. Reston (or the previous 4) could not really. They could say they sent them to Spirit....but it would be Spirit who can claim the players success and thus build their brand and club.

No, PWSI and VSA both lost their kids to VDA. You act like those are not feeder clubs to VDA. What claim does PWSI have to brag about once a kid is on VDA?

That goes to the point that there are too many clubs in NOVA. PWSI and VSA had to / chose to do that with VDA to stay relevant - correct? If not, why do the deal? But there is a difference on how Arlington has their boys program from what I understand. They have DA from 12-14 and control the teams and their development. At 15 and beyond I think they pass on top players to DC United. I may be wrong there, but I think that is correct.

No, without the demonstrated player pool, of at the time, VSA, PWSI and CYA, VDA would never have been awarded a DA in the first place. VDA only exists because those three clubs initially agreed to work together and provide a player pool to VDA. Also, and not a small thing is fields. I like how clubs use "their" fields on these applications as almost a certainty when in 90% of the cases the fields are public parks where access is granted by the local land owning county, but thats another argument.

And PWSI, CYA and VDA did not have ability to demonstrate the player pool concentration on their own because there are too many clubs and therefore too much dilution. And all the new ECNL and DA clubs are going to further dilute things....and kill the smaller clubs in the process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not Duh. There are other models out there. VDA retains control of players, training and coaching. The difference is do you align with a professional club or not. VDA can hold players until graduation and claim their movement into national team pool or to a college. Reston (or the previous 4) could not really. They could say they sent them to Spirit....but it would be Spirit who can claim the players success and thus build their brand and club.

No, PWSI and VSA both lost their kids to VDA. You act like those are not feeder clubs to VDA. What claim does PWSI have to brag about once a kid is on VDA?

That goes to the point that there are too many clubs in NOVA. PWSI and VSA had to / chose to do that with VDA to stay relevant - correct? If not, why do the deal? But there is a difference on how Arlington has their boys program from what I understand. They have DA from 12-14 and control the teams and their development. At 15 and beyond I think they pass on top players to DC United. I may be wrong there, but I think that is correct.

No, without the demonstrated player pool, of at the time, VSA, PWSI and CYA, VDA would never have been awarded a DA in the first place. VDA only exists because those three clubs initially agreed to work together and provide a player pool to VDA. Also, and not a small thing is fields. I like how clubs use "their" fields on these applications as almost a certainty when in 90% of the cases the fields are public parks where access is granted by the local land owning county, but thats another argument.

And PWSI, CYA and VDA did not have ability to demonstrate the player pool concentration on their own because there are too many clubs and therefore too much dilution. And all the new ECNL and DA clubs are going to further dilute things....and kill the smaller clubs in the process.

Agree, see my post earlier about Local, Regional and National based clubs.

[Anonymous]

So - back the point of this post. Did Loudoun get ECNL?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So - back the point of this post. Did Loudoun get ECNL?

I have not heard anyone say anything different. I don't know when ECNL/Loudoun will announce new clubs though.

[Anonymous]

For what its worth, ECNL announced new clubs in mid March last year.

[Anonymous]

I just googled "Loudoun Soccer ECNL". The first link to come up was to a page titled: http://www.loudounsoccer.com/wedonothaveecnl/ That is on Loudoun's website primary URL. It was posted by Loudoun to the web on January 26, 2018. It was then removed from being live. If you click on the green down arrow next to the URL on the google search results you can access a cached snapshot of how the page as it appeared on Jan 26, 2018 07:51:01 GMT via a cached image. It sure looks like the page I would created and then hide until it was announced to then push out to the world for Loudoun's ENCL program (and change the URL name).

[Anonymous]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:W-ImPeMHE30J:www.loudounsoccer.com/wedonothaveecnl/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:W-ImPeMHE30J:www.loudounsoccer.com/wedonothaveecnl/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Good find.

[Anonymous]

Off topic a tad, but PPs talking about this Loud./Arl./Spirit deal plus the find about Loudoun ECNL got me to do the same Google search for Arlington Soccer ECNL and got this:

http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/arlington-soccer-association-and-mclean-youth-soccer-form-ecnl-alliance/

Super detailed fact sheet and never knew it existed.

[Anonymous]

re: arlington & mys deal, once a week training at u13 pre ecnl is not a thing. Don’t know any girls participating in that.

[Anonymous]

So if Loudoun gets ECNL, will this be another club that is one-and-done with FCV? Who will be next on FCV's radar??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if Loudoun gets ECNL, will this be another club that is one-and-done with FCV? Who will be next on FCV's radar??

There was just no way the Loudoun/FCV merger was going to be sustainable long term.

As for the next partner? It would have to be a club small enough that could benefit from merging with FCV in any capacity. It would also have to be a club that is established enough to have field space. And finally, it wold have to expand their footprint away from Loudoun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if Loudoun gets ECNL, will this be another club that is one-and-done with FCV? Who will be next on FCV's radar??

There was just no way the Loudoun/FCV merger was going to be sustainable long term.

As for the next partner? It would have to be a club small enough that could benefit from merging with FCV in any capacity. It would also have to be a club that is established enough to have field space. And finally, it wold have to expand their footprint away from Loudoun.

Arlington