Seinfeld's episode where he ogles a 15 year old

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to stop explaining away, justifying and normalizing predatory male sexual behavior.

Everyone should be familiar with the expression "15 will get you 20." That expression contains a number of truths:
1. That it's seriously illegal.
2. That 15-year-olds can be very womanly.
3. That men are hard-wired by evolutionary biology to respond to evidence of female fertility.
4. Etc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to stop explaining away, justifying and normalizing predatory male sexual behavior.

Everyone should be familiar with the expression "15 will get you 20." That expression contains a number of truths:
1. That it's seriously illegal.
2. That 15-year-olds can be very womanly.
3. That men are hard-wired by evolutionary biology to respond to evidence of female fertility.
4. Etc

It's amazing how men routinely prioritize their boner over what's right and what's moral. No concern for the 15 year old their sexualizing. Because they have a stiffy.

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Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld. Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread; Why is this episode any different?

I was responding to the person who said "The Producers" was "normalizing" Nazism. I wasn't mentioning Seinfeld at all. I agree with you. The entire episode dealt with their consternation after seeing the cleavage.

^Incorrect. The episode was titled "The Shoe". If you haven't seen the episode, you shouldn't take someone else's word for the story line. See it for yourself.

The content around cleavage was not about their consternation after seeing the child's cleavage. It was about the proper way men should look at cleavage - while remaining undetected. Jerry accused George of staring too long at the child's cleavage. He said George should use the sun rule - glance, but don't look directly at it. At no point did they express remorse over the fact that she was 15 years old. Facts matter, here.

Okay, facts matter. But all facts matter.

1. Most fifteen year olds have some form of breasts (cleavage).
2. Adults (both male and female) can and do notice cleavage without being pedophiles.
3 It is socially awkward for everyone (male and female) to realize that your eyes have lingered too long on another person's cleavage.
4. Men are sometimes aroused by breasts when the breasts belong to a teenager, and that doesn't make the man who is aroused a pedophile. The man does not want to sleep with children, he wants to sleep with a woman WITH BREASTS. And the man is usually embarrassed to realize that he has been inconveniently aroused by a teenager.
5. Labeling stray glances at cleavage "pedophilia" is not helpful -- it doesn't help the community deal with actual pedophilia or protect our children from dangerous pedophiles.
6. This episode of Seinfeld depicts vulgar cleavage gazing. It does not depict pedophilia. As usual with Seinfeld, it pushes the envelope in order to find the comedy in social awkwardness and social mores. If that's not your cup of tea, ok.
7. Please learn to distinguish between what is vulgar and something that is truly pedophilia. An untoward glance at your 15 year old daughter's cleavage is not sexual predation.

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Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld. Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread; Why is this episode any different?

I was responding to the person who said "The Producers" was "normalizing" Nazism. I wasn't mentioning Seinfeld at all. I agree with you. The entire episode dealt with their consternation after seeing the cleavage.

^Incorrect. The episode was titled "The Shoe". If you haven't seen the episode, you shouldn't take someone else's word for the story line. See it for yourself.

The content around cleavage was not about their consternation after seeing the child's cleavage. It was about the proper way men should look at cleavage - while remaining undetected. Jerry accused George of staring too long at the child's cleavage. He said George should use the sun rule - glance, but don't look directly at it. At no point did they express remorse over the fact that she was 15 years old. Facts matter, here.

Okay, facts matter. But all facts matter.

1. Most fifteen year olds have some form of breasts (cleavage).
2. Adults (both male and female) can and do notice cleavage without being pedophiles.
3 It is socially awkward for everyone (male and female) to realize that your eyes have lingered too long on another person's cleavage.
4. Men are sometimes aroused by breasts when the breasts belong to a teenager, and that doesn't make the man who is aroused a pedophile. The man does not want to sleep with children, he wants to sleep with a woman WITH BREASTS. And the man is usually embarrassed to realize that he has been inconveniently aroused by a teenager.
5. Labeling stray glances at cleavage "pedophilia" is not helpful -- it doesn't help the community deal with actual pedophilia or protect our children from dangerous pedophiles.
6. This episode of Seinfeld depicts vulgar cleavage gazing. It does not depict pedophilia. As usual with Seinfeld, it pushes the envelope in order to find the comedy in social awkwardness and social mores. If that's not your cup of tea, ok.
7. Please learn to distinguish between what is vulgar and something that is truly pedophilia. An untoward glance at your 15 year old daughter's cleavage is not sexual predation.

Just because someone has breasts, does not make it okay for you to look at them and sexualize them. Some 12 year olds have large breast- would it be okay to sexualizing them?

Sexualizing an underage child is in fact pedophilia. And it's not acceptable. Hence the outrage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld. Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread; Why is this episode any different?

I was responding to the person who said "The Producers" was "normalizing" Nazism. I wasn't mentioning Seinfeld at all. I agree with you. The entire episode dealt with their consternation after seeing the cleavage.

^Incorrect. The episode was titled "The Shoe". If you haven't seen the episode, you shouldn't take someone else's word for the story line. See it for yourself.

The content around cleavage was not about their consternation after seeing the child's cleavage. It was about the proper way men should look at cleavage - while remaining undetected. Jerry accused George of staring too long at the child's cleavage. He said George should use the sun rule - glance, but don't look directly at it. At no point did they express remorse over the fact that she was 15 years old. Facts matter, here.

Okay, facts matter. But all facts matter.

1. Most fifteen year olds have some form of breasts (cleavage).
2. Adults (both male and female) can and do notice cleavage without being pedophiles.
3 It is socially awkward for everyone (male and female) to realize that your eyes have lingered too long on another person's cleavage.
4. Men are sometimes aroused by breasts when the breasts belong to a teenager, and that doesn't make the man who is aroused a pedophile. The man does not want to sleep with children, he wants to sleep with a woman WITH BREASTS. And the man is usually embarrassed to realize that he has been inconveniently aroused by a teenager.
5. Labeling stray glances at cleavage "pedophilia" is not helpful -- it doesn't help the community deal with actual pedophilia or protect our children from dangerous pedophiles.
6. This episode of Seinfeld depicts vulgar cleavage gazing. It does not depict pedophilia. As usual with Seinfeld, it pushes the envelope in order to find the comedy in social awkwardness and social mores. If that's not your cup of tea, ok.
7. Please learn to distinguish between what is vulgar and something that is truly pedophilia. An untoward glance at your 15 year old daughter's cleavage is not sexual predation.

+1

But but [more self-righteous pearl clutching]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld. Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread; Why is this episode any different?

I was responding to the person who said "The Producers" was "normalizing" Nazism. I wasn't mentioning Seinfeld at all. I agree with you. The entire episode dealt with their consternation after seeing the cleavage.

^Incorrect. The episode was titled "The Shoe". If you haven't seen the episode, you shouldn't take someone else's word for the story line. See it for yourself.

The content around cleavage was not about their consternation after seeing the child's cleavage. It was about the proper way men should look at cleavage - while remaining undetected. Jerry accused George of staring too long at the child's cleavage. He said George should use the sun rule - glance, but don't look directly at it. At no point did they express remorse over the fact that she was 15 years old. Facts matter, here.

Okay, facts matter. But all facts matter.

1. Most fifteen year olds have some form of breasts (cleavage).
2. Adults (both male and female) can and do notice cleavage without being pedophiles.
3 It is socially awkward for everyone (male and female) to realize that your eyes have lingered too long on another person's cleavage.
4. Men are sometimes aroused by breasts when the breasts belong to a teenager, and that doesn't make the man who is aroused a pedophile. The man does not want to sleep with children, he wants to sleep with a woman WITH BREASTS. And the man is usually embarrassed to realize that he has been inconveniently aroused by a teenager.
5. Labeling stray glances at cleavage "pedophilia" is not helpful -- it doesn't help the community deal with actual pedophilia or protect our children from dangerous pedophiles.
6. This episode of Seinfeld depicts vulgar cleavage gazing. It does not depict pedophilia. As usual with Seinfeld, it pushes the envelope in order to find the comedy in social awkwardness and social mores. If that's not your cup of tea, ok.
7. Please learn to distinguish between what is vulgar and something that is truly pedophilia. An untoward glance at your 15 year old daughter's cleavage is not sexual predation.

Just because someone has breasts, does not make it okay for you to look at them and sexualize them. Some 12 year olds have large breast- would it be okay to sexualizing them?

Sexualizing an underage child is in fact pedophilia. And it's not acceptable. Hence the outrage.

+1 But men dont want to acknowledge this. Some men, I should say. The pedos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's bad but out of proportion. The worst people are aborters who stomp out a beating human heart. Their time is coming.

Yeah, even the worst people can't make a joke of that. That's how bad and evil it is.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole point of the show is that Jerry et al are total asses. The joke is just how bad an inappropriate they always are. How can you have watched this show and not understand it?

It's like people who watch Mad Men and think Don is a cool character to emulate or Sopranos idiots who like Tony.

Ummm... soooo many people think this.

They must be very stupid to watch a series and miss its entire point.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole point of the show is that Jerry et al are total asses. The joke is just how bad an inappropriate they always are. How can you have watched this show and not understand it?

It's like people who watch Mad Men and think Don is a cool character to emulate or Sopranos idiots who like Tony.

Ummm... soooo many people think this.

They must be very stupid to watch a series and miss its entire point.

Or people are generally not repulsed by toxic masculinity and in fact respect it a lot of the time. Which is why I'm not buying the "we were condemning it!" excuse.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, cause what passes for intelligent comedy today is crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump oogled a teen; after it was released in the news, he was elected president:

https://www.bet.com/news/national/2016/10/13/watch--in-1992-donald-trump-disgustingly-made-this-comment-about.html

What's your point?

[Anonymous]

Excessive ogling is one of the signs of the apocolypse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well he dated a high schooler so we know he's a pedophile. I'm glad it's all finally coming out. He's sick.

My grandmother was 35 or 36 years old when she started seeing the man who became her second husband. He was only seven years older than my uncle at the time, and eleven years older than my mother. He was only 18 or 19 years old when they started. Is there something wrong with that age difference? Is there a difference when the difference is between a much older woman and a younger man?

FYI, they were married for 51 years, so it worked out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well he dated a high schooler so we know he's a pedophile. I'm glad it's all finally coming out. He's sick.

My grandmother was 35 or 36 years old when she started seeing the man who became her second husband. He was only seven years older than my uncle at the time, and eleven years older than my mother. He was only 18 or 19 years old when they started. Is there something wrong with that age difference? Is there a difference when the difference is between a much older woman and a younger man?

FYI, they were married for 51 years, so it worked out.

Mbd...both adults. Not relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump oogled a teen; after it was released in the news, he was elected president:

https://www.bet.com/news/national/2016/10/13/watch--in-1992-donald-trump-disgustingly-made-this-comment-about.html

What's your point?

If you truly don't see the point of how a comedy made light of an adult ogling a kid was widely acceptable to others is similar to a real adult ogling teenS is accepted by others, then you should probably consider exercising you mind a little more.

So you think that Seinfeld's episode and interest in teen girls helped normalize it?