Seinfeld's episode where he ogles a 15 year old

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never saw that whole episode...I just snuck a peek.

Gross and inappropriate to joke about.

[Anonymous]

Like so many pedophile artists, art imitates life. Woody Allen being the most egregious. Seinfeld did it too, Louis CK liked to make jokes about his crimes, and so on. I think these guys get off on hiding it in plain sight, forcing other people to contend with their depravity.

[Anonymous]

Since modeling as a profession favors very young girls. should that be banned too? Big difference between ogling a teen, and grabbing their pussies...

Big Difference between dating a girl of legal age with the consent of the parents, and undressing a 14 year old and making her touch your 32 year old penis, without her consent or the parents knowledge. That is called grooming in the pedophilic language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since modeling as a profession favors very young girls. should that be banned too? Big difference between ogling a teen, and grabbing their pussies...

Big Difference between dating a girl of legal age with the consent of the parents, and undressing a 14 year old and making her touch your 32 year old penis, without her consent or the parents knowledge. That is called grooming in the pedophilic language.

Um... sure. That's actually a push in modeling currently, as there's no reason underage girls should be used to model clothing. The times they are a changing.

Just because something is less bad than something else does not justify it. We recognize that legally children and individuals under the age of consent cannot give consent- hence the name. So yes, it's never acceptable.

[Anonymous]

We need to stop explaining away, justifying and normalizing predatory male sexual behavior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s also shocking is that this made it to TV at all and was not considered a big deal. Made it past all the writers, execs, and onto televisions without making a ripple.

The 90s was a different time.

As were the 80's, 70's, and so on.

Reruns of Three's Company, All in the Family and MASH show how much things change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld. Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread; Why is this episode any different?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld. Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread; Why is this episode any different?

I was responding to the person who said "The Producers" was "normalizing" Nazism. I wasn't mentioning Seinfeld at all. I agree with you. The entire episode dealt with their consternation after seeing the cleavage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld. Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread; Why is this episode any different?

I was responding to the person who said "The Producers" was "normalizing" Nazism. I wasn't mentioning Seinfeld at all. I agree with you. The entire episode dealt with their consternation after seeing the cleavage.

^Incorrect. The episode was titled "The Shoe". If you haven't seen the episode, you shouldn't take someone else's word for the story line. See it for yourself.

The content around cleavage was not about their consternation after seeing the child's cleavage. It was about the proper way men should look at cleavage - while remaining undetected. Jerry accused George of staring too long at the child's cleavage. He said George should use the sun rule - glance, but don't look directly at it. At no point did they express remorse over the fact that she was 15 years old. Facts matter, here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld. Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread; Why is this episode any different?

I was responding to the person who said "The Producers" was "normalizing" Nazism. I wasn't mentioning Seinfeld at all. I agree with you. The entire episode dealt with their consternation after seeing the cleavage.

^Incorrect. The episode was titled "The Shoe". If you haven't seen the episode, you shouldn't take someone else's word for the story line. See it for yourself.

The content around cleavage was not about their consternation after seeing the child's cleavage. It was about the proper way men should look at cleavage - while remaining undetected. Jerry accused George of staring too long at the child's cleavage. He said George should use the sun rule - glance, but don't look directly at it. At no point did they express remorse over the fact that she was 15 years old. Facts matter, here.

Right, they had endless discussion over even SEEING the cleavage. Hence the consternation.

Calm down. And I hate to break it to you, but a 15 year old is not a child. She's not a woman. She's a teenager. And teenagers have cleavage whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that.

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie.

You are wrong.

You don't understand satire, do you? My god are you dense. That's a Mel Brooks movie. He's Jewish.

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld. Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread; Why is this episode any different?

I was responding to the person who said "The Producers" was "normalizing" Nazism. I wasn't mentioning Seinfeld at all. I agree with you. The entire episode dealt with their consternation after seeing the cleavage.

^Incorrect. The episode was titled "The Shoe". If you haven't seen the episode, you shouldn't take someone else's word for the story line. See it for yourself.

The content around cleavage was not about their consternation after seeing the child's cleavage. It was about the proper way men should look at cleavage - while remaining undetected. Jerry accused George of staring too long at the child's cleavage. He said George should use the sun rule - glance, but don't look directly at it. At no point did they express remorse over the fact that she was 15 years old. Facts matter, here.

Right, they had endless discussion over even SEEING the cleavage. Hence the consternation.

Calm down. And I hate to break it to you, but a 15 year old is not a child. She's not a woman. She's a teenager. And teenagers have cleavage whether you like it or not.

I hate to break it to you, but she is underage, and sexualizing her is wrong. Which is why there are age of consent laws.

[Anonymous]

It is really shocking to me how prevalent this used to be and people didn't question it. Now you could never run something like that- and good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s also shocking is that this made it to TV at all and was not considered a big deal. Made it past all the writers, execs, and onto televisions without making a ripple.

The 90s was a different time.

As were the 80's, 70's, and so on.

Reruns of Three's Company, All in the Family and MASH show how much things change.

All In the Family is simply classic. It was an edgy show that dealt with many taboo subjects from homosexuality to rape to racism. It would never get on television today.

Ditto for MASH. But this was a show about the Vietnam War set in Korea b/c we were still unable to discuss Vietnam.

Name me one show today that even comes close in comparison to these two.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s also shocking is that this made it to TV at all and was not considered a big deal. Made it past all the writers, execs, and onto televisions without making a ripple.

The 90s was a different time.

As were the 80's, 70's, and so on.

Reruns of Three's Company, All in the Family and MASH show how much things change.

All In the Family is simply classic. It was an edgy show that dealt with many taboo subjects from homosexuality to rape to racism. It would never get on television today.

Ditto for MASH. But this was a show about the Vietnam War set in Korea b/c we were still unable to discuss Vietnam.

Name me one show today that even comes close in comparison to these two.

Nothing does, thank God.