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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What about that movie the Producers? Nazis and all that. [/quote]

I don't believe they were normalizing naziism in that movie. [/quote]

You are wrong. [/quote]

You don't understand satire, do you?  My god are you dense.  That's a Mel Brooks movie.  He's Jewish.

:shock: [/quote]

And you don't understand comedy and Seinfeld.  Every single episode of Seinfeld was about Jerry, George, etc. being made to look less than socially acceptable for the things they did -- making fun of a baby; stealing an old lady's loaf of bread;   Why is this episode any different?[/quote]

I was responding to the person who said "The Producers" was "normalizing" Nazism.  I wasn't mentioning Seinfeld at all.  I agree with you.  [b]The entire episode dealt with their consternation after seeing the cleavage. [/b][/quote]
^Incorrect. The episode was titled "The Shoe". If you haven't seen the episode, you shouldn't take someone else's word for the story line. See it for yourself.

The content around cleavage was not about their consternation after seeing the child's cleavage. It was about the proper way men should look at cleavage - while remaining undetected. Jerry accused George of staring too long at the child's cleavage. He said George should use the sun rule - glance, but don't look directly at it. At no point did they express remorse over the fact that she was 15 years old. Facts matter, here. [/quote]

Okay, facts matter.  But all facts matter.

1.  Most fifteen year olds have some form of breasts (cleavage).
2.  Adults (both male and female) can and do notice cleavage without being pedophiles.
3  It is socially awkward for everyone (male and female) to realize that your eyes have lingered too long on another person's cleavage.
4.  Men are sometimes aroused by breasts when the breasts belong to a teenager, and that doesn't make the man who is aroused a pedophile.  The man does not want to sleep with children, he wants to sleep with a woman WITH BREASTS.  And the man is usually embarrassed to realize that he has been inconveniently aroused by a teenager.
5.  Labeling stray glances at cleavage "pedophilia" is not helpful -- it doesn't help the community deal with actual pedophilia or protect our children from dangerous pedophiles.
6.  This episode of Seinfeld depicts vulgar cleavage gazing.  It does not depict pedophilia.  As usual with Seinfeld, it pushes the envelope in order to find the comedy in social awkwardness and social mores.  If that's not your cup of tea, ok.
7.  Please learn to distinguish between what is vulgar and something that is truly pedophilia.  An untoward glance at your 15 year old daughter's cleavage is not sexual predation.

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Just because someone has breasts, does not make it okay for you to look at them and sexualize them.  Some 12 year olds have large breast- would it be okay to sexualizing them?

Sexualizing an underage child is in fact pedophilia.  And it's not acceptable.  Hence the outrage.  [/quote]

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