BFN at 12dpo

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry OP. I would not hold out hope that this is a viable pregnancy. Isn't it better to be surprised that it does work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again, just got off the phone with the nurse and my HCG is 35.9. I asked if that seems really low, given than I am 16dpiui today and they said they are totally fine with that number, what matter is that it doubles in 48 hours so I have to go back on Weds for another beta.

I still feel like that number is low and makes no sense... but I guess only time will tell.

I triggered on Thursday July 27 at 11pm and had my IUI on Saturday the 29th. DH and I did not have sex at all after the IUI.

Is it possible to ovulate later than 48 hours with a trigger? I had one egg on each side so can they be released at different times?

I have had 4 chemical pregnancies- they were all IVF, not IUI - but my betas were around there. One was 23, one was in the 30's, one was around 12, and one as high as 50. for IVF, my clinic likes to see a beta over 70 for 14DPO (which is 9 days past 5 days transfer). I would be realistic with your expectations. It MAY turn out ok, but it doesn't look good,

I am now on my third pregnancy (2 live births, and now in second trimester with another IVF recently). All of those had beta over 100 on 14DPO. my chemicals were all less than 50.

Just trying to provide info to help you guide your expectations, but in dealing with so many chemicals, I did read stories online of people who had those miracles with super low betas that turned out ok. so it CAN happen. I just don't like to get invested in the miracle stories, personally.

Thanks for being real, sadly I have very low expectations as my last pregnancy was "off" from the beginning and my RE said it was just a matter of time before I miscarried. So low and behold another auspicious start and I don't have a ton of hope yet. I hope I am wrong though of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again, just got off the phone with the nurse and my HCG is 35.9. I asked if that seems really low, given than I am 16dpiui today and they said they are totally fine with that number, what matter is that it doubles in 48 hours so I have to go back on Weds for another beta.

I still feel like that number is low and makes no sense... but I guess only time will tell.

I triggered on Thursday July 27 at 11pm and had my IUI on Saturday the 29th. DH and I did not have sex at all after the IUI.

Is it possible to ovulate later than 48 hours with a trigger? I had one egg on each side so can they be released at different times?

I have had 4 chemical pregnancies- they were all IVF, not IUI - but my betas were around there. One was 23, one was in the 30's, one was around 12, and one as high as 50. for IVF, my clinic likes to see a beta over 70 for 14DPO (which is 9 days past 5 days transfer). I would be realistic with your expectations. It MAY turn out ok, but it doesn't look good,

I am now on my third pregnancy (2 live births, and now in second trimester with another IVF recently). All of those had beta over 100 on 14DPO. my chemicals were all less than 50.

Just trying to provide info to help you guide your expectations, but in dealing with so many chemicals, I did read stories online of people who had those miracles with super low betas that turned out ok. so it CAN happen. I just don't like to get invested in the miracle stories, personally.

Thanks for being real, sadly I have very low expectations as my last pregnancy was "off" from the beginning and my RE said it was just a matter of time before I miscarried. So low and behold another auspicious start and I don't have a ton of hope yet. I hope I am wrong though of course.

Glad you appreciate my being real - i am the 9 IVF poster who everyone got so mad at for being pessimistic- I just think having gone through this many times expectations are KEY. Rather be pleasantly surprised than hold out hope googling all these rare stories of freak low betas.

[Anonymous]

and same PP here, everyone who says "all that matters is that it doubles" is WRONG. there are MANY MANY studies that show initial beta HCG is relevant predictor of live birth vs. miscarriage.

[Anonymous]

I am sorry to say that based on my experience, you should now just hope that it's a regular miscarriage, not an ectopic; and that it will be quick and easy (as easy as can be - as in a chemical pregnancy), not long and drawn out (I've had both). So sorry!!

[Anonymous]

Thanks. I have already gone the D&C route for a drawn out MMC so I hope this is not that again.

The worst part is that we are supposed to go to London and the English countryside with friends a week from Friday and I am terrified I won't have any resolution before we have to leave. I just hope whatever happens will still allow us to go on the trip.

[Anonymous]

If you are very early (which it seems you are) a D&C wouldn't be needed for a chemical pregnancy. I'm sorry you are dealing with this but it sounds like a vacation came at just the right time! Hoping for a doubled beta for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are very early (which it seems you are) a D&C wouldn't be needed for a chemical pregnancy. I'm sorry you are dealing with this but it sounds like a vacation came at just the right time! Hoping for a doubled beta for you.

this is not always the case. I had a MC at 5w2d - hcg was low but kept doubling - and I ended up in the ER. I went thru 10 overnight pads in 5 hours. It happens.

[Anonymous]

PP with the 4 chemical pregnancies, none of them required D&C. all of them resolved quickly once I stopped progesterone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again, just got off the phone with the nurse and my HCG is 35.9. I asked if that seems really low, given than I am 16dpiui today and they said they are totally fine with that number, what matter is that it doubles in 48 hours so I have to go back on Weds for another beta.

I still feel like that number is low and makes no sense... but I guess only time will tell.

I triggered on Thursday July 27 at 11pm and had my IUI on Saturday the 29th. DH and I did not have sex at all after the IUI.

Is it possible to ovulate later than 48 hours with a trigger? I had one egg on each side so can they be released at different times?

I have had 4 chemical pregnancies- they were all IVF, not IUI - but my betas were around there. One was 23, one was in the 30's, one was around 12, and one as high as 50. for IVF, my clinic likes to see a beta over 70 for 14DPO (which is 9 days past 5 days transfer). I would be realistic with your expectations. It MAY turn out ok, but it doesn't look good,

I am now on my third pregnancy (2 live births, and now in second trimester with another IVF recently). All of those had beta over 100 on 14DPO. my chemicals were all less than 50.

Just trying to provide info to help you guide your expectations, but in dealing with so many chemicals, I did read stories online of people who had those miracles with super low betas that turned out ok. so it CAN happen. I just don't like to get invested in the miracle stories, personally.

Thanks for being real, sadly I have very low expectations as my last pregnancy was "off" from the beginning and my RE said it was just a matter of time before I miscarried. So low and behold another auspicious start and I don't have a ton of hope yet. I hope I am wrong though of course.

Glad you appreciate my being real - i am the 9 IVF poster who everyone got so mad at for being pessimistic- I just think having gone through this many times expectations are KEY. Rather be pleasantly surprised than hold out hope googling all these rare stories of freak low betas.

NP and to be honest, it does seem a little low to me, but it depends on your ovulation date. I had an IUI last year, medicated (letrozole) with trigger. The IUI was 48 hours after the trigger, but by my calculations -- which included OPKs and temping, both of which I've had a lot of experience with -- I ovulated the day after the IUI, so approximately 72 hours after the trigger. On day 11 post ovulation, or day 12 post IUI, my beta was 49. Even that is not a super strong number, but it was a successful pregnancy.

Now I had prior pregnancies that had stronger betas and were not successful (including one that doubled appropriately) so the number alone isn't conclusive. But if 49 at 12 days post IUI is not super strong, 35 at 16 days post doesn't seem auspicious, I'm sorry to say. Unless, of course, you ovulated really late and it still implanted anyway.

[Anonymous]

I go back tomorrow AM for my next beta, will let everyone know the results. Is it bad that I am kind of praying for a chemical at this point? Of course I would love for it to work out but if it's not going to, that is the next best thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I go back tomorrow AM for my next beta, will let everyone know the results. Is it bad that I am kind of praying for a chemical at this point? Of course I would love for it to work out but if it's not going to, that is the next best thing.

No- PP with 4 chemical pregnancies here- after the first one, where I really had hope and believed all the internet people chanting "all that matters is that it doubles," for the other 3, I just hoped the beta didnt double so it would be over soon. Given the low odds of success with an initial HCG that low, I preferred it to end quickly rather than drag out with multiple betas, staying on meds, etc.

[Anonymous]

Thinking about you, OP

[Anonymous]

Well, the saga continues. My HCG only went up to 42 so clearly this pregnancy is doomed, but my RE is insisting that things could still turn around so I need to keep taking my progesterone and come in for one last beta on Friday. I asked if I can just stop but she said no.

I mean, how can she think there is any hope at all??

Assuming this is a chemical, once I stop taking the progesterone when can I expect to get my period? Will it be normal or super heavy and long?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, the saga continues. My HCG only went up to 42 so clearly this pregnancy is doomed, but my RE is insisting that things could still turn around so I need to keep taking my progesterone and come in for one last beta on Friday. I asked if I can just stop but she said no.

I mean, how can she think there is any hope at all??

Assuming this is a chemical, once I stop taking the progesterone when can I expect to get my period? Will it be normal or super heavy and long?

I'm sorry, OP. I imagine she doesn't really think there is any hope, but thinks you would feel better giving it every possible shot. My experience (3 miscarriages then successful IUI at a different clinic) is that many docs try to let you down gently. I know when I was in your shoes, I definitely said "is there any hope?" and they'd say "well, it doesn't look great, but you never know so let's keep going." The one exception was my last miscarriage which was a suspected ectopic -- with that one they were very concerned and had me drop the progesterone ASAP. And online, a lot of message boards and posters recount stories of success with low betas, unusual betas, etc.

I know you are probably anxious to get it over with and move on. But realistically speaking, it's 2 days. I know that feels like a lot but it is not. Follow your doc's advice and take the progesterone for 2 more days, and after Friday's beta, they will have conclusive answers for you.

I have not had a chemical but with my suspected ectopic, I miscarried just shy of 6 weeks, and it was like a normal period. So I imagine a chemical is similar. With each of my miscarriages I got my period 35 days later. My usual cycles are around 31-43 days, so that seemed about right to me -- basically they came within the average of when I would have expected another period.