Racism / Classism on DCurbanmom trolls or true?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm am definitely against racism and classism. Neither are acceptable in a civilized society. But they are both so omnipresent in our society that we really can't avoid their incursion.

I think sometimes, since white people in DC are fairly uniformly high ses, if we see that a school has some white kids, that means they are likely trying to meet the needs of those kids.

The reality is that Dcps has been failing our kids for generations. To ignore that many schools are failing schools is irresponsible.

To take diversity into account is a good idea. So is learning about the school you are zoned for and judging it on its own merits.

To pretend not to notice that most schools in the district have fewer than 2% white kids is to be disingenuous. Most schools don't mirror our fine city's diversity.

We all want the best for all of our kids. And we all struggle with the legacy of a corrupt, ineffective system that is working hard to improve.

I hope that in doing this we can demonstrate this caring for all kids.

I do see that on this board people seem to misunderstand the meaning of high SES. And I'm certain racism and classism is present. But I give parents who have decided to stay in DC without a greatschools 7 and up School to rely on. Maybe we are stupid. Maybe we are brave. But at least we are willing to consider that immediately moving to the suburbs as previous generations did is not necessarily the best choice for our family.

Finally, something different is happening. And charters are part of that but so is DCPS. It gives me some hope that things will change.

I hope D.C. parents are less racist and classist than others. Who knows if we are. But openly talking about the reality and effects of racism and classism and how they might impact our own and other children is a step forward and. It a step back in my book.

*NOT a step back.

[Anonymous]

DC is mostly a segregated city in and of itself.

And I've seen people on here hope it becomes more so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is mostly a segregated city in and of itself.

And I've seen people on here hope it becomes more so.

What do you mean? In what context?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is mostly a segregated city in and of itself.

And I've seen people on here hope it becomes more so.

What do you mean? In what context?

I think the racial demographics of schools/areas speaks for itself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Washington,_D.C.

^ that is a very clear picture of segregation.

And I've seen people on here hoping their area gentrifies (spelling?) quicker than it is. People on here are literally posting that they hope poor black people move to other areas quicker than it's happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is mostly a segregated city in and of itself.

And I've seen people on here hope it becomes more so.

What do you mean? In what context?

I think the racial demographics of schools/areas speaks for itself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Washington,_D.C.

^ that is a very clear picture of segregation.

And I've seen people on here hoping their area gentrifies (spelling?) quicker than it is. People on here are literally posting that they hope poor black people move to other areas quicker than it's happening.

I don't think the segregation of housing or schools is at issue. What is at issue is your assertion that people here want more segregation rather than less.

Does gentrification inherently mean the city is less diverse? In my area, what has been called gentrification has meant more diversity rather than less. I would argue that post gentrification, Petworth is more diverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is mostly a segregated city in and of itself.

And I've seen people on here hope it becomes more so.

What do you mean? In what context?

I think the racial demographics of schools/areas speaks for itself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Washington,_D.C.

^ that is a very clear picture of segregation.

And I've seen people on here hoping their area gentrifies (spelling?) quicker than it is. People on here are literally posting that they hope poor black people move to other areas quicker than it's happening.

You are being disingenuous in how you describe gentrification. Most white people saying they want their neighborhood to gentrify faster aren't saying they want zero black people in their neighborhood; they're saying they want it to flip to a more diverse mix (so 50-50 rather than 90 black-10 white). If there are white people saying they want essentially zero black people in their neighborhood, then I'll agree with you that sounds really racist. Please link to those posts.

I have seen plenty of black people say they want white gentrifiers to get out; so would you accuse them of racism too? Or do your accusations only target one race?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is mostly a segregated city in and of itself.

And I've seen people on here hope it becomes more so.

What do you mean? In what context?

I think the racial demographics of schools/areas speaks for itself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Washington,_D.C.

^ that is a very clear picture of segregation.

And I've seen people on here hoping their area gentrifies (spelling?) quicker than it is. People on here are literally posting that they hope poor black people move to other areas quicker than it's happening.

I don't think the segregation of housing or schools is at issue. What is at issue is your assertion that people here want more segregation rather than less.

Does gentrification inherently mean the city is less diverse? In my area, what has been called gentrification has meant more diversity rather than less. I would argue that post gentrification, Petworth is more diverse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petworth,_Washington,_D.C.

Also, I have actually seen posts saying they hope the poor black people move faster. With my own eyes. Here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is mostly a segregated city in and of itself.

And I've seen people on here hope it becomes more so.

What do you mean? In what context?

I think the racial demographics of schools/areas speaks for itself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Washington,_D.C.

^ that is a very clear picture of segregation.

And I've seen people on here hoping their area gentrifies (spelling?) quicker than it is. People on here are literally posting that they hope poor black people move to other areas quicker than it's happening.

You are being disingenuous in how you describe gentrification. Most white people saying they want their neighborhood to gentrify faster aren't saying they want zero black people in their neighborhood; they're saying they want it to flip to a more diverse mix (so 50-50 rather than 90 black-10 white). If there are white people saying they want essentially zero black people in their neighborhood, then I'll agree with you that sounds really racist. Please link to those posts.

I have seen plenty of black people say they want white gentrifiers to get out; so would you accuse them of racism too? Or do your accusations only target one race?

I would say that they think it's bullshit that many of the racial minorities of dc are losing their houses, they ones they have had for a long time, because their city is gentrifying.

I think a lot of people here need to watch the documentary chocolate city. And have a history lesson about dc.

Anyway, the point of this thread was about the racism here on dc urban Mom. I believe it is real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is mostly a segregated city in and of itself.

And I've seen people on here hope it becomes more so.

What do you mean? In what context?

I think the racial demographics of schools/areas speaks for itself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Washington,_D.C.

^ that is a very clear picture of segregation.

And I've seen people on here hoping their area gentrifies (spelling?) quicker than it is. People on here are literally posting that they hope poor black people move to other areas quicker than it's happening.

You are being disingenuous in how you describe gentrification. Most white people saying they want their neighborhood to gentrify faster aren't saying they want zero black people in their neighborhood; they're saying they want it to flip to a more diverse mix (so 50-50 rather than 90 black-10 white). If there are white people saying they want essentially zero black people in their neighborhood, then I'll agree with you that sounds really racist. Please link to those posts.

I have seen plenty of black people say they want white gentrifiers to get out; so would you accuse them of racism too? Or do your accusations only target one race?

Not PP but poster is right. I've seen people say that on here. I'm message board dumb so don't know how to search for it but she isn't making it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But guys, check this out. Me super poor, right. Moved to WOTP. School greatschool 9,wth. Then moved 2 blocks to school zoned greatschool 10. Me poor, me can't be "keep those low SES kids away", me am the low SES.
Now, me also can't be racist, because me kids not white. I'm so sincere that those schools 9 and 10 are the only acceptable ones. I'm not sure who the other kids are who are coming to the school, but we'll see them when the time comes.
Not putting other schools down. Didn't even bother looking at them plus they far away.

Lawd. You are incoherent. Work on your skills communicating in the written form.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But guys, check this out. Me super poor, right. Moved to WOTP. School greatschool 9,wth. Then moved 2 blocks to school zoned greatschool 10. Me poor, me can't be "keep those low SES kids away", me am the low SES.
Now, me also can't be racist, because me kids not white. I'm so sincere that those schools 9 and 10 are the only acceptable ones. I'm not sure who the other kids are who are coming to the school, but we'll see them when the time comes.
Not putting other schools down. Didn't even bother looking at them plus they far away.

Lawd. You are incoherent. Work on your skills communicating in the written form.

I think this is a point we can all agree on.

[Anonymous]

Here is a link to most of the gentrification posts. You can read them to point out the spots where some white poster says she wants all black neighbors to move out, so we can agree that one poster is likely racist. Please also pay attention to similar comments where black posters say they want white neighbors to go away.

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&ei=SA48WcpChrT5AeHtnOgJ&q=site%3Awww.dcurbanmom.com%2F+black+move+away+gentrify&oq=site%3Awww.dcurbanmom.com%2F+black+move+away+gentrify&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3...18039.21781.0.22224.9.9.0.0.0.0.377.1444.3j4j0j2.9.0....0...1.1.64.mobile-gws-serp..0.0.0.ibPi9mm-Q4s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think the vast majority of "higher SES" (i.e. educated middle and upper middle class) people want their kids to go to school with a solid majority of kids of the same SES. A majority (no matter which race) probably also prefer their kid not to be in a tiny minority in terms of race. It's just that people will rarely admit these things unless they are on an anonymous board.

So the reality is that the world is full of such "awful" people, if that's how you judge those preferences.

We can strive to be better.

Please explain what's wrong with either of those.

-NP

They're not rational decisions. Racism and classism are shortcuts we take instead of evaluating things rationally and with true statistical analysis. They lead to segregation and class divide.
I suppose I'm assuming most folks here are not Richard Spencer and are against segregation and class divide.

You think it's not a rational decision to assume that a school with a strong majority of kids from educated middle class families is going to be a place more conducive to academic learning?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But guys, check this out. Me super poor, right. Moved to WOTP. School greatschool 9,wth. Then moved 2 blocks to school zoned greatschool 10. Me poor, me can't be "keep those low SES kids away", me am the low SES.
Now, me also can't be racist, because me kids not white. I'm so sincere that those schools 9 and 10 are the only acceptable ones. I'm not sure who the other kids are who are coming to the school, but we'll see them when the time comes.
Not putting other schools down. Didn't even bother looking at them plus they far away.

Lawd. You are incoherent. Work on your skills communicating in the written form.

9 and 10 on greatschool means nothing to me if the school is 60+% black or 60+% Asian etc. I look for either balanced (which doesn't exist) or 50+% white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the vast majority of "higher SES" (i.e. educated middle and upper middle class) people want their kids to go to school with a solid majority of kids of the same SES. A majority (no matter which race) probably also prefer their kid not to be in a tiny minority in terms of race. It's just that people will rarely admit these things unless they are on an anonymous board.

So the reality is that the world is full of such "awful" people, if that's how you judge those preferences.

We can strive to be better.

Please explain what's wrong with either of those.

-NP

They're not rational decisions. Racism and classism are shortcuts we take instead of evaluating things rationally and with true statistical analysis. They lead to segregation and class divide.
I suppose I'm assuming most folks here are not Richard Spencer and are against segregation and class divide.

You think it's not a rational decision to assume that a school with a strong majority of kids from educated middle class families is going to be a place more conducive to academic learning?

Exactly, "true statistical analysis" is not applicable when looking for a shcool for your own kids or for a place to live where it will feel good. It's like choosing a house by its numbers without looking or signing a player for the team solely based on his stats.