Does FCPS let 18 yo's register as freshman?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is the case, FCPS RIP. Middle class and upper middle class parents will flee like rats off a sinking ship.

Sure, white flight. Like when they fled into FCPS from "urban" areas. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

It's not about race, it's about socioeconomic status and educational expectations. High-achieving, professional class African-American, Hispanic, and Asian parents will flee, too. They don't want their kids exposed to bad influences and it's not PC to say, but an 18+ year old should NOT be in a freshman class with 14 year olds. That's absurd!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is the case, FCPS RIP. Middle class and upper middle class parents will flee like rats off a sinking ship.

Sure, white flight. Like when they fled into FCPS from "urban" areas. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

It's not about race, it's about socioeconomic status and educational expectations. High-achieving, professional class African-American, Hispanic, and Asian parents will flee, too. They don't want their kids exposed to bad influences and it's not PC to say, but an 18+ year old should NOT be in a freshman class with 14 year olds. That's absurd!

So, an immigrant who is poor is, by your definition, a "bad influence," and only lacks education because it wasn't expected of them?

Gross and really dumb.

Most immigrants who come here are seeking better opportunity, including access to education. Go shake your family tree and see who falls out. I'm pretty sure you'll find at least one illiterate immigrant ancestor.

Couch it however you want, or try to hide behind other minorities, who can also exhibit and participate in racism, even against themselves. It doesn't change what this is, and always has been about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It only varies school to school depending on the ESOL population. But if a kid is 17 and moves here with no credit he is a freshman at level 1. In his 3rd year he will be a 20 year old junior and that is when he will take biology and World 1 which are freshman classes.

Yes, this is assuming they move up at that pace. We have many students who never make it to that level. Especially if they start at age 17 and haven't been in school for several years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is the case, FCPS RIP. Middle class and upper middle class parents will flee like rats off a sinking ship.

Sure, white flight. Like when they fled into FCPS from "urban" areas. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

It's not about race, it's about socioeconomic status and educational expectations. High-achieving, professional class African-American, Hispanic, and Asian parents will flee, too. They don't want their kids exposed to bad influences and it's not PC to say, but an 18+ year old should NOT be in a freshman class with 14 year olds. That's absurd!

So, an immigrant who is poor is, by your definition, a "bad influence," and only lacks education because it wasn't expected of them?

Gross and really dumb.


Most immigrants who come here are seeking better opportunity, including access to education. Go shake your family tree and see who falls out. I'm pretty sure you'll find at least one illiterate immigrant ancestor.

Couch it however you want, or try to hide behind other minorities, who can also exhibit and participate in racism, even against themselves. It doesn't change what this is, and always has been about.

It's about money - protecting taxpayer resources for use by the children of those who paid into the county's coffers. Yes, like it or not, some (not all) recent immigrants are bad influences. MS-13 was not created by Americans after all.

[Anonymous]

Why can't they just attend the alternative high schools if they are that old?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't they just attend the alternative high schools if they are that old?

Too many kids to send them all there. That's the main reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is the case, FCPS RIP. Middle class and upper middle class parents will flee like rats off a sinking ship.

Sure, white flight. Like when they fled into FCPS from "urban" areas. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

Kids are supposed to learn and socialize at school. I would never let my 14 year old daughter hang out with a 21 year old. I don't feel like I need to explain why that is inappropriate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't they just attend the alternative high schools if they are that old?

Too many kids to send them all there. That's the main reason.

What we really need is to start looking at the International Academy concept. These older but under-educated teens don't need alternative learning (usually reserved for those with discipline problems) as much as then need a chance to catch up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This comes up every year. I am a FCPS teacher and I assure you if your daughter is in Biology, World History 1 or Algebra 1 class they will have 20-21 year old boys in the class. An ESOL student takes biology and World 1 their third year in a team taught class where half the students are non esol and the other half are. If you don't want your 14 year old daughter in a class sitting next to a 21 year old man make sure they sign up for honors classes.

This varies somewhat from school to school, but it's pretty true.

Are you kidding me? I was told by the administration they would not be comingled. I don't want my 14yo in class with ANY adult or anyone more than 2 years older. I think most parents assume that older students are served elsewhere because that's the way it was years ago. Adults went to Adult Ed. People who were never going to finish school in 4 years most likely never started at 17 or 18. Somewhere along the way this policy was changed and nobody said anything. I get field trip information forms, I get asked whether or not I will let my child read a certain book or watch a certain movie and they have information sessions on FLE, but nobody has said, "hey, by the way, your 14yo will be taking classes with 21 year olds." Don't they think most parents would have a problem with that?

[Anonymous]

Yep your administrator lied to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is the case, FCPS RIP. Middle class and upper middle class parents will flee like rats off a sinking ship.

Sure, white flight. Like when they fled into FCPS from "urban" areas. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

It's not about race, it's about socioeconomic status and educational expectations. High-achieving, professional class African-American, Hispanic, and Asian parents will flee, too. They don't want their kids exposed to bad influences and it's not PC to say, but an 18+ year old should NOT be in a freshman class with 14 year olds. That's absurd!

So, an immigrant who is poor is, by your definition, a "bad influence," and only lacks education because it wasn't expected of them?

Gross and really dumb.


Most immigrants who come here are seeking better opportunity, including access to education. Go shake your family tree and see who falls out. I'm pretty sure you'll find at least one illiterate immigrant ancestor.

Couch it however you want, or try to hide behind other minorities, who can also exhibit and participate in racism, even against themselves. It doesn't change what this is, and always has been about.

It's about money - protecting taxpayer resources for use by the children of those who paid into the county's coffers. Yes, like it or not, some (not all) recent immigrants are bad influences. MS-13 was not created by Americans after all.

Actually, you are wrong on this. MS-13 started in the barrios of Los Angeles in the 1980s as a "self protection" unit that recent Salvadoran immigrants organized to fight off other gangs. Most of these immigrants were refugees who fled the wars in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala. These wars were prosecuted by the United States against "Communist guerillas" that were seeking to overthrow the corrupt regimes that had hitherto ruled by corruption, murder and intimidation with at least the tacit acquiescence of the U.S. Government, its military, which trained many Central American assassins at the School of the Americas, and our intelligence agencies. When these immigrants arrived in LA, they found themselves at the mercy of already established Mexican gangs. They formed their own, and the strongest became MS-13. In the late 1990s, we ramped up deportations of immigrants with criminal records, shipping back to El Salvador and other Central American countries many MS gang members. We were basically dumping our criminal problem back on poor countries least able to handle them. So, these criminals did what they knew best. They organized gangs. MS-13 bascially took over the criminal sector in El Salvador, and is now engaged in extortion, kidnapping and any other number of criminal activities. This is a classic case of blowback. We helped create the problem elsewhere and it is now coming back to bite us in the ass, like Al Queda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is the case, FCPS RIP. Middle class and upper middle class parents will flee like rats off a sinking ship.

Sure, white flight. Like when they fled into FCPS from "urban" areas. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

It's not about race, it's about socioeconomic status and educational expectations. High-achieving, professional class African-American, Hispanic, and Asian parents will flee, too. They don't want their kids exposed to bad influences and it's not PC to say, but an 18+ year old should NOT be in a freshman class with 14 year olds. That's absurd!

So, an immigrant who is poor is, by your definition, a "bad influence," and only lacks education because it wasn't expected of them?

Gross and really dumb.


Most immigrants who come here are seeking better opportunity, including access to education. Go shake your family tree and see who falls out. I'm pretty sure you'll find at least one illiterate immigrant ancestor.

Couch it however you want, or try to hide behind other minorities, who can also exhibit and participate in racism, even against themselves. It doesn't change what this is, and always has been about.

It's about money - protecting taxpayer resources for use by the children of those who paid into the county's coffers. Yes, like it or not, some (not all) recent immigrants are bad influences. MS-13 was not created by Americans after all.

Actually, you are wrong on this. MS-13 started in the barrios of Los Angeles in the 1980s as a "self protection" unit that recent Salvadoran immigrants organized to fight off other gangs. Most of these immigrants were refugees who fled the wars in Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala. These wars were prosecuted by the United States against "Communist guerillas" that were seeking to overthrow the corrupt regimes that had hitherto ruled by corruption, murder and intimidation with at least the tacit acquiescence of the U.S. Government, its military, which trained many Central American assassins at the School of the Americas, and our intelligence agencies. When these immigrants arrived in LA, they found themselves at the mercy of already established Mexican gangs. They formed their own, and the strongest became MS-13. In the late 1990s, we ramped up deportations of immigrants with criminal records, shipping back to El Salvador and other Central American countries many MS gang members. We were basically dumping our criminal problem back on poor countries least able to handle them. So, these criminals did what they knew best. They organized gangs. MS-13 bascially took over the criminal sector in El Salvador, and is now engaged in extortion, kidnapping and any other number of criminal activities. This is a classic case of blowback. We helped create the problem elsewhere and it is now coming back to bite us in the ass, like Al Queda.

Once again, the US gets blamed for all of the world's problems! You said it yourself, MS-13 was created in LA by IMMIGRANTS. Blame the US all you want.
That's like blaming the victim of a rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This comes up every year. I am a FCPS teacher and I assure you if your daughter is in Biology, World History 1 or Algebra 1 class they will have 20-21 year old boys in the class. An ESOL student takes biology and World 1 their third year in a team taught class where half the students are non esol and the other half are. If you don't want your 14 year old daughter in a class sitting next to a 21 year old man make sure they sign up for honors classes.

Why is this an issue? Last time I checked sitting next to an adult make did not automatically endanger you. Unless you believe that "they're not sending us their best people," and every Latino ESL student poses a threat to all females, simply because of their county of origin.

You guys are unbelievable.

Rapists are rapists, and they come in all shapes, sizes, and colors and we have no way to identify them prior to their criminal act. You do realize that your daughters have a far greater chance of being raped by a drunk frat boy at some point during their college years than they do by an immigrant who sits next to them in freshman Biology, right?

You honestly don't see why this is an issue? True the majority of 21 year old males are not rapists, but HS is a social environment. Kids in the same high school classes are considered peers and would generally be expected to socialize as such (including dating) most parents do not want their 14 year old daughters to be in an environment where the are the social peers of 21 year old men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the maximum age for a middle schooler? Because I see kids who are obviously a few years older, and have heard about kids being held back. These are not necessarily immigrants or ESOL.

Is there an alternative middle school setting for those who have had academic and/or disciplinary issues at the current middle school?

I commented on another thread but it's relevant here- I am a sixth grade teacher and once had a class with students aged 10,11,12,13 AND 14. It was a disaster for so many reasons.

This was also an ELL class made of new arrivals, primarily from DR but also Puerto Rico and some Central America . Most years that was a great class but the age mix that year didn't work and the older student was involved with gangs and a terrible influence all around. School couldn't do anything (it said) and said he had to stay there because he had failed the year before. This is NYC. I am at a new school now.

Do parents in general have ANY idea that their children are in classes with adults? This is absolutely astonishing to me and I've been deeply involved in our schools via the PTA, School Board races etc... for nearly two decades. I'm shocked. Truly. I thought these "adult children" went to an alternative school. My gosh, I'm going to recommend EVERY new home buyer study a school's ESOL percentage before purchasing a home - OR plan to go to private school.

I am completely blown away right now. This is all news to me. I do not want my 14 year old DD socializing with 21 year old men outside of school (at the mall, etc) but here they are sitting next to them in class all day. WTH?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the maximum age for a middle schooler? Because I see kids who are obviously a few years older, and have heard about kids being held back. These are not necessarily immigrants or ESOL.

Is there an alternative middle school setting for those who have had academic and/or disciplinary issues at the current middle school?

I commented on another thread but it's relevant here- I am a sixth grade teacher and once had a class with students aged 10,11,12,13 AND 14. It was a disaster for so many reasons.

This was also an ELL class made of new arrivals, primarily from DR but also Puerto Rico and some Central America . Most years that was a great class but the age mix that year didn't work and the older student was involved with gangs and a terrible influence all around. School couldn't do anything (it said) and said he had to stay there because he had failed the year before. This is NYC. I am at a new school now.

Do parents in general have ANY idea that their children are in classes with adults? This is absolutely astonishing to me and I've been deeply involved in our schools via the PTA, School Board races etc... for nearly two decades. I'm shocked. Truly. I thought these "adult children" went to an alternative school. My gosh, I'm going to recommend EVERY new home buyer study a school's ESOL percentage before purchasing a home - OR plan to go to private school.

I am completely blown away right now. This is all news to me. I do not want my 14 year old DD socializing with 21 year old men outside of school (at the mall, etc) but here they are sitting next to them in class all day. WTH?

I didn't know this either. Do school systems ever think about the safety of girls?