The real bubble is in the heartland

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see both sides admit that the election was a statistical tie. For whatever reasons, Trump won where it counted. Personally, I think Comey was the biggest factor, but that can't be proved, and does not affect my main point, that each side should accept that about half the voters were for their opponent.

For me, as a liberal, I see my biggest task to be understanding what caused half my country to vote for a man who still seems to me to be e a boorish, thin-skinned, totalitarian bully. Obviously they see things I don't, and I sincerely hope they're right and I'm wrong!

it wasn't half

"The Democrat outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia."

Not that Clinton won half, either, but it still wasn't 50%+

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like a great strategy for feeling superior and Losing more elections.

+1. The libs have learned nothing from the election. It's amazing.

Considering the fact that your orange hero garnered about 3 million less votes , I wouldn't be enthusiastic about telling anyone to learn anything

Considering that we figured out how the electoral college works and you didn't, you mean. I'll take those sorts of election victories in perpetuity, that's just fine with me. Enjoy our millions of bubble votes.

Would you feel differently if a dem had won by 80,000 votes in the EC, but 3 million more Republicans voted for the other candidate? I don't think so. You're letting your tribalism talk instead of common sense and patriotism.

Eh, I'm a soccer fan, and I would feel the same way I do when my team wins because of a bad call. I would be relieved that the bad call worked in our favor this time, but I wouldn't deny that it was a bad call.

[Anonymous]

I am from Kansas, and this article is spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a great strategy for feeling superior and Losing more elections.

+1. The libs have learned nothing from the election. It's amazing.

Worst come back of all time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coming from the midwest, I thought this was very true:

Republicans have mastered wielding the struggles of poor white Americans as a cudgel against blacks, against Latinos, against women, against Jews and Muslims and LGBTQ folks. See them? They’re to blame for your struggle. You’re hurting because of them! I am tired of wealthy conservatives who have never set foot among us “white trash”—and sure as hell wouldn’t want their children marrying us—filming campaign commercials of themselves wading through star-spangled cornfields and ranting about the so-called “liberal bubble” and every buzzword that goes with it: Hollywood, communists, “college educated,” etc

I think Mike Pence would welcome anyone who would marry his chunky daughter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a great strategy for feeling superior and Losing more elections.

+1. The libs have learned nothing from the election. It's amazing.

Worst come back of all time.

I think this exchange is the gist of our situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, couldn't agree more. The GOP has masterfully convinced their constituents that the "liberal elite" and those on the coasts live in a bubble of opulence and privilege. In reality, Those on the coasts are exposed to far more demographic, social, and economic diversity than those in middle America - we actually live next to, work with, go to school with people of a broader spectrum of race, classes, gender identities, and ethnicity. We actually know Muslims or live near a mosque or have friends of different backgrounds. We can also connect the dots - the ACA being repealed hurts middle class and working class families, for example. Bigotry against LGBTQ people is a real issue in some communities.

Moreover, I hear Trump voters rail against "identity politics". But the "identity politics" platform has largely been wielded by the GoP under the guise of "family values" and the Christian right - and this has been the case for several decades - really since Nixon.

But again, the GOP is a master communications and manipulation machine. If Dems are going to come back - and I believe they will - they have to go hard to fight the misinformation and really connect the dots for people. They play too "nice"; that doesn't work.

Truer words have never been spoken . However I think I'm not as good of person as you are , for the simple fact that I believe trump voters should face the music . Blue states ( the richest states in the country ) should focus on themselves .

[Anonymous]

The real bubble is your lily white enclave. Wherever it may be. And no, knowing one minority family doesn't make you an embracer of diversity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, couldn't agree more. The GOP has masterfully convinced their constituents that the "liberal elite" and those on the coasts live in a bubble of opulence and privilege. In reality, Those on the coasts are exposed to far more demographic, social, and economic diversity than those in middle America - we actually live next to, work with, go to school with people of a broader spectrum of race, classes, gender identities, and ethnicity. We actually know Muslims or live near a mosque or have friends of different backgrounds. We can also connect the dots - the ACA being repealed hurts middle class and working class families, for example. Bigotry against LGBTQ people is a real issue in some communities.

Moreover, I hear Trump voters rail against "identity politics". But the "identity politics" platform has largely been wielded by the GoP under the guise of "family values" and the Christian right - and this has been the case for several decades - really since Nixon.

But again, the GOP is a master communications and manipulation machine. If Dems are going to come back - and I believe they will - they have to go hard to fight the misinformation and really connect the dots for people. They play too "nice"; that doesn't work.

Truer words have never been spoken . However I think I'm not as good of person as you are , for the simple fact that I believe trump voters should face the music . Blue states ( the richest states in the country ) should focus on themselves .

Face the music in what way? There are a lot of people in these places that did not vote for Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real bubble is your lily white enclave. Wherever it may be. And no, knowing one minority family doesn't make you an embracer of diversity.

Exactly. White america still refuses to even acknowledge their white privilege, let alone check it. This message needs to get out to more voters if we expect to win our country back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, couldn't agree more. The GOP has masterfully convinced their constituents that the "liberal elite" and those on the coasts live in a bubble of opulence and privilege. In reality, Those on the coasts are exposed to far more demographic, social, and economic diversity than those in middle America - we actually live next to, work with, go to school with people of a broader spectrum of race, classes, gender identities, and ethnicity. We actually know Muslims or live near a mosque or have friends of different backgrounds. We can also connect the dots - the ACA being repealed hurts middle class and working class families, for example. Bigotry against LGBTQ people is a real issue in some communities.

Moreover, I hear Trump voters rail against "identity politics". But the "identity politics" platform has largely been wielded by the GoP under the guise of "family values" and the Christian right - and this has been the case for several decades - really since Nixon.

But again, the GOP is a master communications and manipulation machine. If Dems are going to come back - and I believe they will - they have to go hard to fight the misinformation and really connect the dots for people. They play too "nice"; that doesn't work.

Truer words have never been spoken . However I think I'm not as good of person as you are , for the simple fact that I believe trump voters should face the music . Blue states ( the richest states in the country ) should focus on themselves .

Face the music in what way? There are a lot of people in these places that did not vote for Trump.

Sadly the numbers don't correlate your statement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, couldn't agree more. The GOP has masterfully convinced their constituents that the "liberal elite" and those on the coasts live in a bubble of opulence and privilege. In reality, Those on the coasts are exposed to far more demographic, social, and economic diversity than those in middle America - we actually live next to, work with, go to school with people of a broader spectrum of race, classes, gender identities, and ethnicity. We actually know Muslims or live near a mosque or have friends of different backgrounds. We can also connect the dots - the ACA being repealed hurts middle class and working class families, for example. Bigotry against LGBTQ people is a real issue in some communities.

Moreover, I hear Trump voters rail against "identity politics". But the "identity politics" platform has largely been wielded by the GoP under the guise of "family values" and the Christian right - and this has been the case for several decades - really since Nixon.

But again, the GOP is a master communications and manipulation machine. If Dems are going to come back - and I believe they will - they have to go hard to fight the misinformation and really connect the dots for people. They play too "nice"; that doesn't work.

Truer words have never been spoken . However I think I'm not as good of person as you are , for the simple fact that I believe trump voters should face the music . Blue states ( the richest states in the country ) should focus on themselves .

Face the music in what way? There are a lot of people in these places that did not vote for Trump.

Sadly the numbers don't correlate your statement

Please explain. He won swing states by very small numbers. Even solidly red states hold millions of people who did not want Trump. What music should they have to face?

[Anonymous]

Please explain. He won swing states by very small numbers. Even solidly red states hold millions of people who did not want Trump. What music should they have to face?

Correction: tens of millions of people who did not want Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a great strategy for feeling superior and Losing more elections.

+1. The libs have learned nothing from the election. It's amazing.

Worst come back of all time.

No that will be 2018 and 2020. I have no hope that these out of touch Democrats will win anything. LOL I bet they will still be in their "safe place", enforcing group thinking and pushing for unicorn rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a great strategy for feeling superior and Losing more elections.

+1. The libs have learned nothing from the election. It's amazing.

Worst come back of all time.

No that will be 2018 and 2020. I have no hope that these out of touch Democrats will win anything. LOL I bet they will still be in their "safe place", enforcing group thinking and pushing for unicorn rights.

No, we will be living in Democratic coastal cities with healthcare, high wages and high standards of living. The rust-belt will be waiting to become great again. Really, very sad for them.