DCPS lottery data

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Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

13:01 / 13:13 here: It sounds like we are on the same page. For someone with an excellent IB who is shut out of that IB for PK (due to the sheer number of kids), as well as shut out of 11 other choices which included some that were previously known as "safety" schools, it would be very helpful to see what schools let in OOB kids this year. The data would be useful for purposes of the PK4 lottery as well as the PK3 lottery for next year and so on (yes, I have 3 kids under 4).

But you can already see which schools let in OOB students with current data.

You can see that for 2015-16 but not for 2016-17. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and post a link.

Oh, I see. You need to be planning your lottery choices 9 months in advance ... is that what this is all about?

No - it's so that you can better make an assessment between moving and playing the lottery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is what is known about the DCPS lottery:

1) Unless you are in-bounds, there is no use putting Ross, Brent, or any of the JKLMs on your PK3/PK4 list. None. Those schools haven't admitted OOB 3yos in years.

2) Generally, ranking in your true order of preference is the best way to make your list, unless your true order of preference includes any of the schools mentioned in #1.

3) The in-demand charters will also have insanely long waitlists for a very limited number of seats. However, someone always gets in.

4) DCPS schools in wards 1, 2, and 4 are likely to fill all their PK3 seats with in-bounds children. Even schools that were considered safety schools 3 years ago have waitlists this year. Some of those waitlists include in-bounds children.

5) Consider your neighborhood school, no matter where you live. It may be your only option.

+1 this is a good depiction of what's going on

I also think it's why the school landscape in wards 1, 2, and 4 are changing little by little.

I think more of ward 6 is experiencing what you have in your #4 than many realize (in part because DCPS hasn't released the stats)

With the exception of Van Ness and maybe A-B, I doubt other Ward 6 elementary schools are taking OOB students. Even the VN WL jumped from like 30 to 120. So basically in half of the Wards in the city, if you are locked out of your IB school (some who let in only half of their IB population), you are locked out of the system.

By why would parents want to know that?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

13:01 / 13:13 here: It sounds like we are on the same page. For someone with an excellent IB who is shut out of that IB for PK (due to the sheer number of kids), as well as shut out of 11 other choices which included some that were previously known as "safety" schools, it would be very helpful to see what schools let in OOB kids this year. The data would be useful for purposes of the PK4 lottery as well as the PK3 lottery for next year and so on (yes, I have 3 kids under 4).

But you can already see which schools let in OOB students with current data.

You can see that for 2015-16 but not for 2016-17. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and post a link.

Oh, I see. You need to be planning your lottery choices 9 months in advance ... is that what this is all about?

No - it's so that you can better make an assessment between moving and playing the lottery.

You can already see how deeply all schools went into their waitlists (if they had one to begin with) for this 15-16 year on the My School DC site.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

13:01 / 13:13 here: It sounds like we are on the same page. For someone with an excellent IB who is shut out of that IB for PK (due to the sheer number of kids), as well as shut out of 11 other choices which included some that were previously known as "safety" schools, it would be very helpful to see what schools let in OOB kids this year. The data would be useful for purposes of the PK4 lottery as well as the PK3 lottery for next year and so on (yes, I have 3 kids under 4).

But you can already see which schools let in OOB students with current data.

You can see that for 2015-16 but not for 2016-17. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and post a link.

Oh, I see. You need to be planning your lottery choices 9 months in advance ... is that what this is all about?

No - it's so that you can better make an assessment between moving and playing the lottery.

You can already see how deeply all schools went into their waitlists (if they had one to begin with) for this 15-16 year on the My School DC site.

The point that I and other PPs are making is that, in certain areas, things appear to have changed considerably from the 15-16 school year to the 16-17 lottery (see PP's post about Van Ness for an example). So that's why the 15-16 data is not as helpful as you might think.

[Anonymous]

The data in OP's link is missing all the language immersion schools spanish-dominant lists.
Bruce Monroe certainly has more than 19 seats to offer in PK3 in 2016-17. And it should show 2 lists.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

13:01 / 13:13 here: It sounds like we are on the same page. For someone with an excellent IB who is shut out of that IB for PK (due to the sheer number of kids), as well as shut out of 11 other choices which included some that were previously known as "safety" schools, it would be very helpful to see what schools let in OOB kids this year. The data would be useful for purposes of the PK4 lottery as well as the PK3 lottery for next year and so on (yes, I have 3 kids under 4).

But you can already see which schools let in OOB students with current data.

You can see that for 2015-16 but not for 2016-17. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and post a link.

Oh, I see. You need to be planning your lottery choices 9 months in advance ... is that what this is all about?

No - it's so that you can better make an assessment between moving and playing the lottery.

You can already see how deeply all schools went into their waitlists (if they had one to begin with) for this 15-16 year on the My School DC site.

The point that I and other PPs are making is that, in certain areas, things appear to have changed considerably from the 15-16 school year to the 16-17 lottery (see PP's post about Van Ness for an example). So that's why the 15-16 data is not as helpful as you might think.

well guess what, the world and DCPS don't revolve around you. You have plenty of information now to make informed choices. Schools haven't even finished enrollment yet so 2016-17 data doesn't really exist.

[Anonymous]

To all the people making some sort of argument about why they need OOB vs IB data for this year, can you help me out here? You are enrolled in School A. You are apparently considering a move to school B (and for to anticipate someone's inevitable argument, School C). How does current WL data help you? Presumably you know that you prefer B and C to A, else you wouldn't care. So if you enter lottery for C and B (respectively) and C and B both WL you then you know they not taking OOB. And if one is and isn't and you put them on the list on true order of preference then it matters not.

But the real reason I call BS on all of you with nonsensical hypos for why you need to know in order to make a decision about changing schools or buying a new house is this...the WL data you seek is a month or two old. And even when they release it anew it will be stale. If you were going to drop a million or so dollars on a house and you identified a single, or two schools, you'd pick up the damn phone.

I can at least respect the people who admit they want the data cause they just want it and they are demanding whiny people (I may be extgrapolating), the rest of you are just full of SH*T.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is what is known about the DCPS lottery:

1) Unless you are in-bounds, there is no use putting Ross, Brent, or any of the JKLMs on your PK3/PK4 list. None. Those schools haven't admitted OOB 3yos in years.

2) Generally, ranking in your true order of preference is the best way to make your list, unless your true order of preference includes any of the schools mentioned in #1.

3) The in-demand charters will also have insanely long waitlists for a very limited number of seats. However, someone always gets in.

4) DCPS schools in wards 1, 2, and 4 are likely to fill all their PK3 seats with in-bounds children. Even schools that were considered safety schools 3 years ago have waitlists this year. Some of those waitlists include in-bounds children.

5) Consider your neighborhood school, no matter where you live. It may be your only option.

+1 this is a good depiction of what's going on

I also think it's why the school landscape in wards 1, 2, and 4 are changing little by little.

I think more of ward 6 is experiencing what you have in your #4 than many realize (in part because DCPS hasn't released the stats)

With the exception of Van Ness and maybe A-B, I doubt other Ward 6 elementary schools are taking OOB students. Even the VN WL jumped from like 30 to 120. So basically in half of the Wards in the city, if you are locked out of your IB school (some who let in only half of their IB population), you are locked out of the system.

By why would parents want to know that?

I think some schools in other pockets are seeing some pretty drastic changes due to shifts in local kid populations. In Ward 5 I know that there were IB families for Langley ES (Bloomingdale/Eckington) on the wait list for PK3; I wold guess most of them had it as a safety, too. I don't think they were anywhere close to that in previous years. It seems to have gone the way of Seaton, which I think had a significant IB waitlist as well.

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The main issue is that dcps isn't releasing the data because they specifically do not want the public to have it. That rubs people the wrong way.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people making some sort of argument about why they need OOB vs IB data for this year, can you help me out here? You are enrolled in School A. You are apparently considering a move to school B (and for to anticipate someone's inevitable argument, School C). How does current WL data help you? Presumably you know that you prefer B and C to A, else you wouldn't care. So if you enter lottery for C and B (respectively) and C and B both WL you then you know they not taking OOB. And if one is and isn't and you put them on the list on true order of preference then it matters not.

But the real reason I call BS on all of you with nonsensical hypos for why you need to know in order to make a decision about changing schools or buying a new house is this...the WL data you seek is a month or two old. And even when they release it anew it will be stale. If you were going to drop a million or so dollars on a house and you identified a single, or two schools, you'd pick up the damn phone.

I can at least respect the people who admit they want the data cause they just want it and they are demanding whiny people (I may be extgrapolating), the rest of you are just full of SH*T.

I can't speak for all the PPs interested in the data, but for someone shut out of 12 PK3 choices (there is no School A that we are enrolled in), I am interested in the data to see whether we have a chance on any of our 12 WLs. It would be helpful to know whether everyone in front of us on a WL is IB or not, both for purposes of assessing the likelihood of that WL moving, and for next year's planning purposes. With another kid just a year behind the waitlisted one, I am trying to figure out what to do for the next 3+ years, and whether to move, if none of our local options are truly available to OOB. That may seem premature or whiny to you, but I think it's reasonable for families to want to plan using data that has been available in the past.

Someone with kids on 5th grade WLs can speak to that, but I know there are similar planning reasons there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The main issue is that dcps isn't releasing the data because they specifically do not want the public to have it. That rubs people the wrong way.

This. I don't need the data, but I don't like it being purposely withheld.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The main issue is that dcps isn't releasing the data because they specifically do not want the public to have it. That rubs people the wrong way.

+1 Particularly when they've released it for years. They suddenly make a change this year that decreases transparency significantly without even acknowledging that they've done so. I have a difficult time understanding all the Dcps apologists who defend this step backward. They have the data, it's not personally identifiable, they've traditional released it. There are so many people on here who seem to be incapable of questioning authority, particularly authority that is supposed to serve the public. I'm starting to see how Trump has been able to assemble such a large army of stupid sheep.

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Anonymous wrote:The main issue is that dcps isn't releasing the data because they specifically do not want the public to have it. That rubs people the wrong way.

+1 Particularly when they've released it for years. They suddenly make a change this year that decreases transparency significantly without even acknowledging that they've done so. I have a difficult time understanding all the Dcps apologists who defend this step backward. They have the data, it's not personally identifiable, they've traditional released it. There are so many people on here who seem to be incapable of questioning authority, particularly authority that is supposed to serve the public. I'm starting to see how Trump has been able to assemble such a large army of stupid sheep.

-2 for not reading the thread. Lottery Board voted to reduced lottery data shared - you want to complain? Complain about an un-elected board removing transparency. Move such choices to a publicly elected school board where our voices can be heard, hell move it to Grosso. Don't let them be able to make the choice behind a closed door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone should file a FOIA request.

Question - tried to find the foia page, and found a broken link. Anyone have advice? Or a starting point?

DCPS Foia page: http://dcps.dc.gov/page/open-government-and-foia-dcps

DCPS Foia Link: http://dcps.dc.gov/node/868852

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Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

13:01 / 13:13 here: It sounds like we are on the same page. For someone with an excellent IB who is shut out of that IB for PK (due to the sheer number of kids), as well as shut out of 11 other choices which included some that were previously known as "safety" schools, it would be very helpful to see what schools let in OOB kids this year. The data would be useful for purposes of the PK4 lottery as well as the PK3 lottery for next year and so on (yes, I have 3 kids under 4).

But you can already see which schools let in OOB students with current data.

You can see that for 2015-16 but not for 2016-17. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and post a link.

Oh, I see. You need to be planning your lottery choices 9 months in advance ... is that what this is all about?

No - it's so that you can better make an assessment between moving and playing the lottery.

You can already see how deeply all schools went into their waitlists (if they had one to begin with) for this 15-16 year on the My School DC site.

The point that I and other PPs are making is that, in certain areas, things appear to have changed considerably from the 15-16 school year to the 16-17 lottery (see PP's post about Van Ness for an example). So that's why the 15-16 data is not as helpful as you might think.

well guess what, the world and DCPS don't revolve around you. You have plenty of information now to make informed choices. Schools haven't even finished enrollment yet so 2016-17 data doesn't really exist.

This PP posts with same crappy attitude on all of the threads about lottery data for SY 16-17. Better to ignore than take the bait and engage.