DCPS lottery data

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Anonymous wrote:Believe it or not, DCPS may have more pressimg concerns than releasing data that will allow you to obsess over every aspect of this process.

It's hardly obsessing to want to know if you should even bother using one of your lottery slots on a given school if there is pretty much zero chance you will ever get in.

I think you can pretty well figure that out based on the data already. Plus, very few people actually have more than 12 schools to put down anyway.

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Right, so all of DCPS should cater to your insane maximizing? No. We already have plenty of data to understand our school choices. If you feel like you need more data to precisely rank your choices then that's your issue. Are you trying to tell me that everyone doesn't already understand that Inspired Teaching and CMI are very hard to get into? I've done the lottery twice now, and I've had absolutely no problem understanding my choices and options. What exactly more do you need?

If you have other concerns like doing research, or if you truly believe that there are compliance issues, sure, do a FOIA. But I just don't buy that people don't have the data they need to do their lottery entries.

First of all, it's not "insane maximizing" to try to do further research for next year, especially for someone who was shut out this year. Second, I believe the charter data is already out there, but that's not what I'm interested in. I'm interested in what non-charter schools' waitlists are like, so I know if there's a chance for OOB within a reasonable distance from my home/work. I don't think that's an insane thing to want, and I do think it is reasonable for taxpayers to have access to that data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Believe it or not, DCPS may have more pressimg concerns than releasing data that will allow you to obsess over every aspect of this process.

It's hardly obsessing to want to know if you should even bother using one of your lottery slots on a given school if there is pretty much zero chance you will ever get in.

I think you can pretty well figure that out based on the data already. Plus, very few people actually have more than 12 schools to put down anyway.

Not true x 2

Right, so all of DCPS should cater to your insane maximizing? No. We already have plenty of data to understand our school choices. If you feel like you need more data to precisely rank your choices then that's your issue. Are you trying to tell me that everyone doesn't already understand that Inspired Teaching and CMI are very hard to get into? I've done the lottery twice now, and I've had absolutely no problem understanding my choices and options. What exactly more do you need?

If you have other concerns like doing research, or if you truly believe that there are compliance issues, sure, do a FOIA. But I just don't buy that people don't have the data they need to do their lottery entries.

First of all, it's not "insane maximizing" to try to do further research for next year, especially for someone who was shut out this year. Second, I believe the charter data is already out there, but that's not what I'm interested in. I'm interested in what non-charter schools' waitlists are like, so I know if there's a chance for OOB within a reasonable distance from my home/work. I don't think that's an insane thing to want, and I do think it is reasonable for taxpayers to have access to that data.

You can already easily figure out what your chances are based on the data we have now (number of applicants for number of seats, divided by preference type). Not sure exactly what more you think you need to know.

[Anonymous]

Here is what is known about the DCPS lottery:

1) Unless you are in-bounds, there is no use putting Ross, Brent, or any of the JKLMs on your PK3/PK4 list. None. Those schools haven't admitted OOB 3yos in years.

2) Generally, ranking in your true order of preference is the best way to make your list, unless your true order of preference includes any of the schools mentioned in #1.

3) The in-demand charters will also have insanely long waitlists for a very limited number of seats. However, someone always gets in.

4) DCPS schools in wards 1, 2, and 4 are likely to fill all their PK3 seats with in-bounds children. Even schools that were considered safety schools 3 years ago have waitlists this year. Some of those waitlists include in-bounds children.

5) Consider your neighborhood school, no matter where you live. It may be your only option.

[Anonymous]

Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is what is known about the DCPS lottery:

1) Unless you are in-bounds, there is no use putting Ross, Brent, or any of the JKLMs on your PK3/PK4 list. None. Those schools haven't admitted OOB 3yos in years.

2) Generally, ranking in your true order of preference is the best way to make your list, unless your true order of preference includes any of the schools mentioned in #1.

3) The in-demand charters will also have insanely long waitlists for a very limited number of seats. However, someone always gets in.

4) DCPS schools in wards 1, 2, and 4 are likely to fill all their PK3 seats with in-bounds children. Even schools that were considered safety schools 3 years ago have waitlists this year. Some of those waitlists include in-bounds children.

5) Consider your neighborhood school, no matter where you live. It may be your only option.

+1 this is a good depiction of what's going on

I also think it's why the school landscape in wards 1, 2, and 4 are changing little by little.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

13:01 / 13:13 here: It sounds like we are on the same page. For someone with an excellent IB who is shut out of that IB for PK (due to the sheer number of kids), as well as shut out of 11 other choices which included some that were previously known as "safety" schools, it would be very helpful to see what schools let in OOB kids this year. The data would be useful for purposes of the PK4 lottery as well as the PK3 lottery for next year and so on (yes, I have 3 kids under 4).

[Anonymous]

The previous replies all seem to be from the viewpoint of ECE parents and their needs. What about MS? Having the data now helps those rising 5th grade families who got shut out of the charter lottery consider whether they may get into a DCPS MS that they think is acceptable or whether they need to be spending their child's 5th grade year looking for a new home outside of DC or IB for whatever MS they deem acceptable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The previous replies all seem to be from the viewpoint of ECE parents and their needs. What about MS? Having the data now helps those rising 5th grade families who got shut out of the charter lottery consider whether they may get into a DCPS MS that they think is acceptable or whether they need to be spending their child's 5th grade year looking for a new home outside of DC or IB for whatever MS they deem acceptable.

You're not going to lottery into Deal.

Are there other DCPS middle schools that people are clamoring to get into? I think this is a moot point, really.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The previous replies all seem to be from the viewpoint of ECE parents and their needs. What about MS? Having the data now helps those rising 5th grade families who got shut out of the charter lottery consider whether they may get into a DCPS MS that they think is acceptable or whether they need to be spending their child's 5th grade year looking for a new home outside of DC or IB for whatever MS they deem acceptable.

You're not going to lottery into Deal.

Are there other DCPS middle schools that people are clamoring to get into? I think this is a moot point, really.

Hardy?
The new language immersion MS?

It may be moot for you, but why do you care if others are interested?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The previous replies all seem to be from the viewpoint of ECE parents and their needs. What about MS? Having the data now helps those rising 5th grade families who got shut out of the charter lottery consider whether they may get into a DCPS MS that they think is acceptable or whether they need to be spending their child's 5th grade year looking for a new home outside of DC or IB for whatever MS they deem acceptable.

You're not going to lottery into Deal.

Are there other DCPS middle schools that people are clamoring to get into? I think this is a moot point, really.

I think you don't have a rising 5th grader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

13:01 / 13:13 here: It sounds like we are on the same page. For someone with an excellent IB who is shut out of that IB for PK (due to the sheer number of kids), as well as shut out of 11 other choices which included some that were previously known as "safety" schools, it would be very helpful to see what schools let in OOB kids this year. The data would be useful for purposes of the PK4 lottery as well as the PK3 lottery for next year and so on (yes, I have 3 kids under 4).

But you can already see which schools let in OOB students with current data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

13:01 / 13:13 here: It sounds like we are on the same page. For someone with an excellent IB who is shut out of that IB for PK (due to the sheer number of kids), as well as shut out of 11 other choices which included some that were previously known as "safety" schools, it would be very helpful to see what schools let in OOB kids this year. The data would be useful for purposes of the PK4 lottery as well as the PK3 lottery for next year and so on (yes, I have 3 kids under 4).

But you can already see which schools let in OOB students with current data.

You can see that for 2015-16 but not for 2016-17. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and post a link.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is what is known about the DCPS lottery:

1) Unless you are in-bounds, there is no use putting Ross, Brent, or any of the JKLMs on your PK3/PK4 list. None. Those schools haven't admitted OOB 3yos in years.

2) Generally, ranking in your true order of preference is the best way to make your list, unless your true order of preference includes any of the schools mentioned in #1.

3) The in-demand charters will also have insanely long waitlists for a very limited number of seats. However, someone always gets in.

4) DCPS schools in wards 1, 2, and 4 are likely to fill all their PK3 seats with in-bounds children. Even schools that were considered safety schools 3 years ago have waitlists this year. Some of those waitlists include in-bounds children.

5) Consider your neighborhood school, no matter where you live. It may be your only option.

+1 this is a good depiction of what's going on

I also think it's why the school landscape in wards 1, 2, and 4 are changing little by little.

I think more of ward 6 is experiencing what you have in your #4 than many realize (in part because DCPS hasn't released the stats)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree completely with all of the above. The only thing I would add (and I believe the data would show this, if available) is that your list in #1 now includes a number of additional schools.

PP here. That's what I meant by #4, but the schools specifically mentioned in #1 are completely out of the question for anyone in ECE who doesn't live in-bounds and have been for years. There is also a growing list of schools where even if you are in-bounds, there is no guarantee due to the sheer number of kids.

13:01 / 13:13 here: It sounds like we are on the same page. For someone with an excellent IB who is shut out of that IB for PK (due to the sheer number of kids), as well as shut out of 11 other choices which included some that were previously known as "safety" schools, it would be very helpful to see what schools let in OOB kids this year. The data would be useful for purposes of the PK4 lottery as well as the PK3 lottery for next year and so on (yes, I have 3 kids under 4).

But you can already see which schools let in OOB students with current data.

You can see that for 2015-16 but not for 2016-17. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and post a link.

Oh, I see. You need to be planning your lottery choices 9 months in advance ... is that what this is all about?