The problem with Bernie: he's not much of a Democrat

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Anonymous wrote:He will support the Democratic nominee when the time comes. He's said he will not run as a third party candidate. He will not at this point in time engage in a discussion about whom he will support, because NO CANDIDATE DOES THIS until they drop out. NO CANDIDATE DOES THIS.

You're simply wrong about this. All of the Republican candidates signed a pledge to support the ultimate nominee. They all stood there on live TV (twice!) and pledged they'd support the ultimate nominee.

Moderator: Tonight, in 30 seconds, can you definitively say you will support the Republican nominee, even if that nominee is Donald J. Trump?
Rubio: I’ll support Donald if he’s the Republican nominee, and let me tell you why. ...
Cruz: Yes, because I gave my word that I would.
Kasich: I will support whoever is the Republican nominee for president.

Moderator: Mr. Trump, ... Can you definitively say tonight that you will definitely support the Republican nominee for president, even if it’s not you?
Trump: Yes, I will.

So don't give us this crap again about how "no candidate does this."

But Bernie? Nope. He's going to lay out a series of strict requirements that Clinton has to meet first before he'll support her. Making support conditional is really what "no candidate does" ... except for Bernie. So screw him. It's that sort of ego-driven crap that is making me dislike Bernie more and more each day.

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure some Sanders fan is going to respond to say I'm not sufficiently kissing enough Bernie ass ... and that this isn't the way to attract the Sanders fan. Well, I'm done trying to attract Sanders fans. Sanders doesn't deserve any flattery when he pulls blackmail stunts like this, and neither do his supporters when they play the same game.

Are you all in knots about this interview?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-endorsement_us_56f45bf0e4b014d3fe22b4a7

Chico/Chica, listen, he was asked a question and he answered it as a campaigning candidate for president. In other words, he reiterated his policy positions and drew--again--a contrast between his stances and Hillary's stances. That's what you do when you run for president. May I ask, what is it regarding the things he stated as policy positions that you disagree with? (I mean, besides his policy to not endorse his competition before his own presidential run is actually over?).

As for the GOPpers above, I have no words. That party loooooooooves to elicit "purity" pledges from their political leaders. It's very juvenile. I'm not into that.

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But Bernie? Nope. He's going to lay out a series of strict requirements that Clinton has to meet first before he'll support her. Making support conditional is really what "no candidate does" ... except for Bernie. So screw him. It's that sort of ego-driven crap that is making me dislike Bernie more and more each day.

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure some Sanders fan is going to respond to say I'm not sufficiently kissing enough Bernie ass ... and that this isn't the way to attract the Sanders fan. Well, I'm done trying to attract Sanders fans. Sanders doesn't deserve any flattery when he pulls blackmail stunts like this, and neither do his supporters when they play the same game.

Honestly, you sound like you are chomping at the bit to spew hate for BS. Blackmail stunts? We haven't even gotten to the end of the primaries and there are "blackmail stunts"? Do you have a crystal ball or something? Look, let the guy finish his race. Then if he pulls a "blackmail stunt", you can complain. She's going to win anyway and you might as well be a bit nicer to the BS supporters. It could only help. How does this kind of talk help HRC??

[Anonymous]

I sense that some of the Hillary supporters are worried that Bernie Sanders may have some effect on the Democratic Party platform. Is this the real problem? I just don't get the vitriol for BS at this point in the campaign?? It makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He will support the Democratic nominee when the time comes. He's said he will not run as a third party candidate. He will not at this point in time engage in a discussion about whom he will support, because NO CANDIDATE DOES THIS until they drop out. NO CANDIDATE DOES THIS.

You're simply wrong about this. All of the Republican candidates signed a pledge to support the ultimate nominee. They all stood there on live TV (twice!) and pledged they'd support the ultimate nominee.

Moderator: Tonight, in 30 seconds, can you definitively say you will support the Republican nominee, even if that nominee is Donald J. Trump?
Rubio: I’ll support Donald if he’s the Republican nominee, and let me tell you why. ...
Cruz: Yes, because I gave my word that I would.
Kasich: I will support whoever is the Republican nominee for president.

Moderator: Mr. Trump, ... Can you definitively say tonight that you will definitely support the Republican nominee for president, even if it’s not you?
Trump: Yes, I will.

So don't give us this crap again about how "no candidate does this."

But Bernie? Nope. He's going to lay out a series of strict requirements that Clinton has to meet first before he'll support her. Making support conditional is really what "no candidate does" ... except for Bernie. So screw him. It's that sort of ego-driven crap that is making me dislike Bernie more and more each day.

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure some Sanders fan is going to respond to say I'm not sufficiently kissing enough Bernie ass ... and that this isn't the way to attract the Sanders fan. Well, I'm done trying to attract Sanders fans. Sanders doesn't deserve any flattery when he pulls blackmail stunts like this, and neither do his supporters when they play the same game.

Sanders eventually endorsed Obama. What makes you think he won't eventually endorse whomever becomes the Democratic nominee? Seems to me you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Why isn't Clinton endorsing Sanders?

[Anonymous]

Sanders eventually endorsed Obama. What makes you think he won't eventually endorse whomever becomes the Democratic nominee? Seems to me you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Why isn't Clinton endorsing Sanders?
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Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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I sense that some of the Hillary supporters are worried that Bernie Sanders may have some effect on the Democratic Party platform. Is this the real problem? I just don't get the vitriol for BS at this point in the campaign?? It makes no sense.

No, I have no problem with his platform. In fact, I like it. I have a problem with the way he and his campaign have behaved lately (see prior post)

[Anonymous]

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Yeah, Sanders is SUCH AN ASSHOLE. Watch him in this interview, in full. So full of hate for America and constantly throwing Clinton under the bus. I mean, he lays it all out here, it's so raw. Remember, a vote for Sanders is a vote against our future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggFitmOTSok

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[Anonymous]

I sense that some of the Hillary supporters are worried that Bernie Sanders may have some effect on the Democratic Party platform. Is this the real problem? I just don't get the vitriol for BS at this point in the campaign?? It makes no sense.


No, I have no problem with his platform. In fact, I like it. I have a problem with the way he and his campaign have behaved lately (see prior post)
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You mean behaving like he might win? Like he's still running? This is sort of to be expected, don't you think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I sense that some of the Hillary supporters are worried that Bernie Sanders may have some effect on the Democratic Party platform. Is this the real problem? I just don't get the vitriol for BS at this point in the campaign?? It makes no sense.


No, I have no problem with his platform. In fact, I like it. I have a problem with the way he and his campaign have behaved lately (see prior post)
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You mean behaving like he might win? Like he's still running? This is sort of to be expected, don't you think?

No. When your plan is to sway superdelegates to win if you didn't win the popular vote. When you imply the votes of the people in the South do not matter. When you fuck up and access info you were not supposed to have and then turn around and play the victim. When you insinuate that black people do not know what's good for them. There's a lot of tone deafness in that campaign. And while you may not have a problem with all that, believe me, there are plenty of people who do.

[Anonymous]

OP started this thread off with a false premise. Sanders is less of a socialist than Eisenhower, who was an anti-USSR Republican. Sanders has far more in common with FDR Democrats than current Democrats do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I sense that some of the Hillary supporters are worried that Bernie Sanders may have some effect on the Democratic Party platform. Is this the real problem? I just don't get the vitriol for BS at this point in the campaign?? It makes no sense.


No, I have no problem with his platform. In fact, I like it. I have a problem with the way he and his campaign have behaved lately (see prior post)
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You mean behaving like he might win? Like he's still running? This is sort of to be expected, don't you think?

No. When your plan is to sway superdelegates to win if you didn't win the popular vote. When you imply the votes of the people in the South do not matter. When you fuck up and access info you were not supposed to have and then turn around and play the victim. When you insinuate that black people do not know what's good for them. There's a lot of tone deafness in that campaign. And while you may not have a problem with all that, believe me, there are plenty of people who do.

This is really getting out of hand.

Swaying super delegates is part of the primary race. I've seen nor heard anything he's said that would even imply that he thinks "black people do not know what's good for them." Black voters in southern states overwhelmingly support Clinton, as has been pointed out as nauseum right here in this forum. Ditto for progressivism in western states.

Sanders and every one of his supporters have known from the get-go that he was and is a long shot. If he were really an ego maniacal opportunist, he would have run third party, only to ensure a loss for himself AND the Democrats. Democrats with whom he's caucused for more than two decades.

The reason you run with as long a shot as his is to appeal to a broader coalition of voters and influence the party platform. Would Clinton support Sanders? Who knows? Will she support at least some of his vision? Again who knows? But there's nothing anti-Demoratic, or in any way exclusionary, in anything he's said or done.

Your candidate is going to win the nomination. To win the general, she'll need the enthusiasm that's keeping Sanders' campaign alive. Just let it wor itself out. The anger (and the name calling!) is churlish, tiresome and counterproductive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I sense that some of the Hillary supporters are worried that Bernie Sanders may have some effect on the Democratic Party platform. Is this the real problem? I just don't get the vitriol for BS at this point in the campaign?? It makes no sense.


No, I have no problem with his platform. In fact, I like it. I have a problem with the way he and his campaign have behaved lately (see prior post)
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You mean behaving like he might win? Like he's still running? This is sort of to be expected, don't you think?

No. When your plan is to sway superdelegates to win if you didn't win the popular vote. When you imply the votes of the people in the South do not matter. When you fuck up and access info you were not supposed to have and then turn around and play the victim. When you insinuate that black people do not know what's good for them. There's a lot of tone deafness in that campaign. And while you may not have a problem with all that, believe me, there are plenty of people who do.

I like your high standards of ethical behavior. I would recommend you take a look at all the candidates again with the same level of scrutiny, and that you look again at the DNC and its internal machinations during this primary season. Sanders really does come off pretty good in the ethics, transparency, and values departments, I believe. But if you've made up your mind, well, that's fine. That's what we do as voters--consider and decide. Hopefully with full, unbiased information.

I'll sign off with these thoughts:

Sanders is not your enemy. Keep your eye on Clinton and the Dems in this election and after the general, once / if she takes office. We'll check back here in about a year, eh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I sense that some of the Hillary supporters are worried that Bernie Sanders may have some effect on the Democratic Party platform. Is this the real problem? I just don't get the vitriol for BS at this point in the campaign?? It makes no sense.

You are wrong. I liked it when I thought he was bringing campaign finance reform and bank regulation more to the forefront of the Dem platform. If that was his effect, great. That's when I respected him. Now it seems he's hell-bent on taking Clinton down. My fear is that he's weakening her chances in the general. That would be tragic and much more important than him continuing to plug on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I sense that some of the Hillary supporters are worried that Bernie Sanders may have some effect on the Democratic Party platform. Is this the real problem? I just don't get the vitriol for BS at this point in the campaign?? It makes no sense.


No, I have no problem with his platform. In fact, I like it. I have a problem with the way he and his campaign have behaved lately (see prior post)
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You mean behaving like he might win? Like he's still running? This is sort of to be expected, don't you think?

No. When your plan is to sway superdelegates to win if you didn't win the popular vote. When you imply the votes of the people in the South do not matter. When you fuck up and access info you were not supposed to have and then turn around and play the victim. When you insinuate that black people do not know what's good for them. There's a lot of tone deafness in that campaign. And while you may not have a problem with all that, believe me, there are plenty of people who do.

I like your high standards of ethical behavior. I would recommend you take a look at all the candidates again with the same level of scrutiny, and that you look again at the DNC and its internal machinations during this primary season. Sanders really does come off pretty good in the ethics, transparency, and values departments, I believe. But if you've made up your mind, well, that's fine. That's what we do as voters--consider and decide. Hopefully with full, unbiased information.

I'll sign off with these thoughts:

Sanders is not your enemy. Keep your eye on Clinton and the Dems in this election and after the general, once / if she takes office. We'll check back here in about a year, eh?

See, that's precisely the problem I have now with Sanders. He was the one who stated that he is very ethical, which is why I respected him. Well, turns out he is very much just another politician.

I am not saying he is the enemy. I am just saying I do not respect him anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I sense that some of the Hillary supporters are worried that Bernie Sanders may have some effect on the Democratic Party platform. Is this the real problem? I just don't get the vitriol for BS at this point in the campaign?? It makes no sense.

You are wrong. I liked it when I thought he was bringing campaign finance reform and bank regulation more to the forefront of the Dem platform. If that was his effect, great. That's when I respected him. Now it seems he's hell-bent on taking Clinton down. My fear is that he's weakening her chances in the general. That would be tragic and much more important than him continuing to plug on.

Many folks have indicated he is not "hell bent" (meaning, that he's willing to go to deep, dark places in the gutter, not even "email-gate," to attack Clinton) on bringing her down. He's voiced in no uncertain terms his policy differences with her. Now, if you think that pressing her on policy issues is bad, then I have nothing to say to you on that--you've dropped off a cliff. If you feel that these things you've pointed to regarding Sanders are WORSE than cozying up to Big Oil, Big Banks, Big Finance, Big Pharma, Big Loan Sharks and so on, well, again, we disagree. And, in fact, I disagree with anything you accused Sanders of doing as being actually wrong.

Anyway. I have a feeling a lot will shake out after the primaries are over. You might wind up eating your words... We'll see.