The problem with Bernie: he's not much of a Democrat

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The Republicans are arguing about who is a "true conservative" and the Democrats are arguing about who is a "true Democrat". Do we all have to fit into neat little boxes? Can't we think outside the box a bit? Aren't these parties and politics dynamic? Because our country sure as heck is not the same as it was.

Truly, I wouldn't care so much about Bernie had he been a Democrat for any length of time. If the soul of the Democratic Party were so important to him, you'd think he see fit to be one prior to a Presidential campaign.

I think the soul of American politics is important to him, yes. I do believe that is true. The GOP is a lost-cause pile of garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I want more of these kinds of politicians. That's my primary complaint. A "movement" is stronger when there's a broad base of support AND leadership.

I think many leaders are actually cowards. Observe the GOP saber-rattlers who threatened end-of--times should Trump or Cruz get the nomination, and they're all lining up behind one or the other, instead of declaring that the GOP has failed to present a presidential option worthy of the American people. Depressing.

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Anonymous wrote:Most important...he's older than dirt. Too old to be running.

I saw a video of him running in the airport to catch his next flight. Seemed pretty fleet of foot for an old guy. Certainly doesn't seem to have an old brain, unless what's old is new, so we're confused...

That's not current. He uses a private jet now.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.

I'm with you, OP. I don't care if he stays in the race. But I don't like they way his campaign has been acting lately: suing the DNC, planning to court the super delegates because they are losing the popular vote, completely dismissing the Southern states and the AA vote, his statements about supporting HRC should he not be the nominee etc. Like I said before, he wasn't my first choice, but I respected him a great deal. No more.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.

What are his attacks? Can you say what they are, specifically? (Are they without merit? Are they personal? Are they underhanded?)

He will support the Democratic nominee when the time comes. He's said he will not run as a third party candidate. He will not at this point in time engage in a discussion about whom he will support, because NO CANDIDATE DOES THIS until they drop out. NO CANDIDATE DOES THIS.

Stop this schoolyard clique-forming (are you on Team Hillary or what??), is my suggestion.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.

I'm with you, OP. I don't care if he stays in the race. But I don't like they way his campaign has been acting lately: suing the DNC, planning to court the super delegates because they are losing the popular vote, completely dismissing the Southern states and the AA vote, his statements about supporting HRC should he not be the nominee etc. Like I said before, he wasn't my first choice, but I respected him a great deal. No more.

I don't think he's dismissing the southern states. He was the first one to state he was going to run a 50-state campaign, and by golly he did. At some point you throw your campaign resources where you think they'll get you the biggest bang, especially when you're behind and especially when the race is veeeeery tight but you have momentum. As far as dismissing the AA vote, I see he's not getting the AA vote, but I don't see him dismissing this group in his campaign, rhetoric, or policy. Where have you read that?

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Sanders is a phony.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.

I'm with you, OP. I don't care if he stays in the race. But I don't like they way his campaign has been acting lately: suing the DNC, planning to court the super delegates because they are losing the popular vote, completely dismissing the Southern states and the AA vote, his statements about supporting HRC should he not be the nominee etc. Like I said before, he wasn't my first choice, but I respected him a great deal. No more.

I don't think he's dismissing the southern states. He was the first one to state he was going to run a 50-state campaign, and by golly he did. At some point you throw your campaign resources where you think they'll get you the biggest bang, especially when you're behind and especially when the race is veeeeery tight but you have momentum. As far as dismissing the AA vote, I see he's not getting the AA vote, but I don't see him dismissing this group in his campaign, rhetoric, or policy. Where have you read that?

“I think you’re going to see us doing—and I think the polls indicated it—much better within the African-American community outside of the Deep South,” Sanders said after losing South Carolina. “You’re going to see us much better in New York State, where I think we have a shot to win, in California and in Michigan.”


Sanders said his campaign had a good path forward even though “the deep south” was “not a strong area for us”, and pointed out that in Illinois and Missouri the campaigns nearly split the delegates available despite Clinton winning the states.

“She creamed us in Mississippi and Louisiana and South Carolina,” he said, before adding that Democrats are “not going to win those states in the general election”.

“As we head to the west coast, which is probably the most progressive part of America, I think as you go forward you’re going to see us doing better and better.”

“Those people are not going to be voting for establishment politics. They want real change.”

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.

I think the vast majority of people just don't care about the parties. We think of them as necessary evils. Most of us would be more comfortable in a parliamentary system, where we could actually join a party whose ideals we believe in, instead of choosing the lesser of two evils. But, that's just not the US.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.

I'm with you, OP. I don't care if he stays in the race. But I don't like they way his campaign has been acting lately: suing the DNC, planning to court the super delegates because they are losing the popular vote, completely dismissing the Southern states and the AA vote, his statements about supporting HRC should he not be the nominee etc. Like I said before, he wasn't my first choice, but I respected him a great deal. No more.

I don't think he's dismissing the southern states. He was the first one to state he was going to run a 50-state campaign, and by golly he did. At some point you throw your campaign resources where you think they'll get you the biggest bang, especially when you're behind and especially when the race is veeeeery tight but you have momentum. As far as dismissing the AA vote, I see he's not getting the AA vote, but I don't see him dismissing this group in his campaign, rhetoric, or policy. Where have you read that?

“I think you’re going to see us doing—and I think the polls indicated it—much better within the African-American community outside of the Deep South,” Sanders said after losing South Carolina. “You’re going to see us much better in New York State, where I think we have a shot to win, in California and in Michigan.”


Sanders said his campaign had a good path forward even though “the deep south” was “not a strong area for us”, and pointed out that in Illinois and Missouri the campaigns nearly split the delegates available despite Clinton winning the states.

“She creamed us in Mississippi and Louisiana and South Carolina,” he said, before adding that Democrats are “not going to win those states in the general election”.

“As we head to the west coast, which is probably the most progressive part of America, I think as you go forward you’re going to see us doing better and better.”

“Those people are not going to be voting for establishment politics. They want real change.”

Is this "dismissive?" My goodness, you and I read words differently. Okay, we'll just agree to disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.

I'm with you, OP. I don't care if he stays in the race. But I don't like they way his campaign has been acting lately: suing the DNC, planning to court the super delegates because they are losing the popular vote, completely dismissing the Southern states and the AA vote, his statements about supporting HRC should he not be the nominee etc. Like I said before, he wasn't my first choice, but I respected him a great deal. No more.

I don't think he's dismissing the southern states. He was the first one to state he was going to run a 50-state campaign, and by golly he did. At some point you throw your campaign resources where you think they'll get you the biggest bang, especially when you're behind and especially when the race is veeeeery tight but you have momentum. As far as dismissing the AA vote, I see he's not getting the AA vote, but I don't see him dismissing this group in his campaign, rhetoric, or policy. Where have you read that?

“I think you’re going to see us doing—and I think the polls indicated it—much better within the African-American community outside of the Deep South,” Sanders said after losing South Carolina. “You’re going to see us much better in New York State, where I think we have a shot to win, in California and in Michigan.”


Sanders said his campaign had a good path forward even though “the deep south” was “not a strong area for us”, and pointed out that in Illinois and Missouri the campaigns nearly split the delegates available despite Clinton winning the states.

“She creamed us in Mississippi and Louisiana and South Carolina,” he said, before adding that Democrats are “not going to win those states in the general election”.

“As we head to the west coast, which is probably the most progressive part of America, I think as you go forward you’re going to see us doing better and better.”

“Those people are not going to be voting for establishment politics. They want real change.”

Is this "dismissive?" My goodness, you and I read words differently. Okay, we'll just agree to disagree.

Really?The bolded?

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Anonymous wrote:He will support the Democratic nominee when the time comes. He's said he will not run as a third party candidate. He will not at this point in time engage in a discussion about whom he will support, because NO CANDIDATE DOES THIS until they drop out. NO CANDIDATE DOES THIS.

You're simply wrong about this. All of the Republican candidates signed a pledge to support the ultimate nominee. They all stood there on live TV (twice!) and pledged they'd support the ultimate nominee.

Moderator: Tonight, in 30 seconds, can you definitively say you will support the Republican nominee, even if that nominee is Donald J. Trump?
Rubio: I’ll support Donald if he’s the Republican nominee, and let me tell you why. ...
Cruz: Yes, because I gave my word that I would.
Kasich: I will support whoever is the Republican nominee for president.

Moderator: Mr. Trump, ... Can you definitively say tonight that you will definitely support the Republican nominee for president, even if it’s not you?
Trump: Yes, I will.

So don't give us this crap again about how "no candidate does this."

But Bernie? Nope. He's going to lay out a series of strict requirements that Clinton has to meet first before he'll support her. Making support conditional is really what "no candidate does" ... except for Bernie. So screw him. It's that sort of ego-driven crap that is making me dislike Bernie more and more each day.

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure some Sanders fan is going to respond to say I'm not sufficiently kissing enough Bernie ass ... and that this isn't the way to attract the Sanders fan. Well, I'm done trying to attract Sanders fans. Sanders doesn't deserve any flattery when he pulls blackmail stunts like this, and neither do his supporters when they play the same game.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why people want him out of the race so badly. Just let him stay in until it's over. What's the big deal with that?

I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.

I'm with you, OP. I don't care if he stays in the race. But I don't like they way his campaign has been acting lately: suing the DNC, planning to court the super delegates because they are losing the popular vote, completely dismissing the Southern states and the AA vote, his statements about supporting HRC should he not be the nominee etc. Like I said before, he wasn't my first choice, but I respected him a great deal. No more.

I don't think he's dismissing the southern states. He was the first one to state he was going to run a 50-state campaign, and by golly he did. At some point you throw your campaign resources where you think they'll get you the biggest bang, especially when you're behind and especially when the race is veeeeery tight but you have momentum. As far as dismissing the AA vote, I see he's not getting the AA vote, but I don't see him dismissing this group in his campaign, rhetoric, or policy. Where have you read that?

“I think you’re going to see us doing—and I think the polls indicated it—much better within the African-American community outside of the Deep South,” Sanders said after losing South Carolina. “You’re going to see us much better in New York State, where I think we have a shot to win, in California and in Michigan.”


Sanders said his campaign had a good path forward even though “the deep south” was “not a strong area for us”, and pointed out that in Illinois and Missouri the campaigns nearly split the delegates available despite Clinton winning the states.

“She creamed us in Mississippi and Louisiana and South Carolina,” he said, before adding that Democrats are “not going to win those states in the general election”.

“As we head to the west coast, which is probably the most progressive part of America, I think as you go forward you’re going to see us doing better and better.”

“Those people are not going to be voting for establishment politics. They want real change.”

Is this "dismissive?" My goodness, you and I read words differently. Okay, we'll just agree to disagree.

Really?The bolded?

Hardly seems insulting or dismissive to me. Okay, anyway, no biggie. I think this is the smallest of bones to pick, but feel free to pick it. I don't care about Hillary's damn emails, and I don't care about this.

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I'm the OP and I don't want him out of the race. I want him to stop attacking HRC, since he probably can't win the nomination, and I want him to say he will back the eventual nominee. If he's genuinely a party member, he needs to do that, and needs to invest in building the party down ticket.


What are his attacks? Can you say what they are, specifically? (Are they without merit? Are they personal? Are they underhanded?)

Yeah, that was a big attack when he said that he could care less about Hillary's emails. During the first debate.
Look, this guy wants to debate the issues. He does not attack Hillary. Give an example of an attack he made on Hillary. Please.