Hillary has not nearly been loud or outspoken enough on reining in corporate influence, too-big-to-fail banks, corporate welfare, unfettered SuperPAC spending, lobbying, and she has definitely not taken strong and principled stands or put her words to action where she needs to. Sanders has. |
Oh? Is he supposed to have landslides I the upcoming primaries as well? Because anything less won't do |
Bernie has a better chance at beating Trump, than Hillary. If beating Trump is your goal, then why are you risking a Trump victory with Hillary. |
This. I hate all the party unity BS too and don't think the party is unified, but I most certainly wouldn't sit this out in November regardless of who the nominee is. In the primaries, I vote for the candidate I align with most. In the general election I vote for the candidate I align with most., even if I view it as the lesser of the evils, especially when a supreme court justice and the Senate are in play. Honestly, my daily life probably won't be impacted by a president Trump, but there are many whose would be, and the country as a whole may suffer. I'm pro-choice, so I'm not sure I want a republican controlled Senate and Trump, who will want to be reelected, deciding the next Justice. Will most people in my socio-economic status or their kids be affected by and abortion ban? No, because flying somewhere else for the procedure is financially more than feasible for those who would make the decision to do so. Poor people, they would be subjected to backroom illegal abortions. I didn't love Gore very much, but I got out and voted for him because Bush was the alternative. Maybe some view having a disastrous Trump presidency as their best opportunity to get a "true progressive" in the White House, and are ok with the sacrifices others will have to make in order to get there, but I'm not sure throwing the less fortunate in society under the bus to reach your goal is a part of the progressive platform. I hope most Americans will choose to vote, but sadly, at the end of the day, self interest or self righteousness will win out with some. |
Where are the polls showing this? If Bernie is too far left for some democrats, how will he do with moderate independents? I know polls aren't always accurate, but I'm curious what's your basis for saying Bernie has a better chance of beating Trump. |
Where do you get this? And don't say polls, because they mean nothing at this stage. And they show her beating Trump handily btw. All the GOP will have to do is say "tax increase." Because everyone wants healthcare and college, until they have to put money up. It's like you don't know the American electorate |
+1 |
But that's just it. He's just talk. There's nothing in his political background that convinces me that he'll be effective in accomplishing any of this |
I always had a feeling that Obama could not have happened if it weren't for Bush. It may just be that the pendulum is swinging back in the other direction. What's frightening about Trump is not knowing what he'd do. I don't think he's as conservative as he's trying to make out, but who would his advisors be? How much would he listen to them, and how much of a liability would his peurile little ego be? We've already seen how tragic the "governance as a business" approach can be. So it's gotta be the devil we know this time around, but I have serious doubts about Clinton's ability to pull it off. People blame Nader for 2000, Swiftboating for 2004, etc., but it all gets down to the candidate and their aility to pull voters their way. Qualifications aside, I'm not sure Clinton has what it takes. It's leaving a sick feeling in my stomach. |
Here is a recent quinnipiac poll for one. Bernie has a better shot at beating Trump.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2333 |
Again, polls mean nothing at this stage And here's this http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/24/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-cnn-poll-2016-election/ So? |
Let's hope they mean nothing because it's not a good thing that a majority believe Clinton will win. Especially when the number that view her unfavorably is pretty close to the number for Trump. |
Sure just wait until trump runs the first bernie ia a commie ad. |
As barnwy frank points out, evefy liberal whose been in the trenches supports clinton. That tells me all I need to knowe about Bernie's effectiveness. |
Or point to this website so people can calculate their tax bill http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016 |