Israel tells refugees to go back to Africa or to prison. We didn't do that to Jews fleeing Hitler.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, so Israel should open its borders to thousands and thousands of Africans just because they show up?

Should Europe? Should we? Will you absorb thousands of immigrants into your neighborhood?

Israel -- actually any nation -- is under zero obligation to take in immigrants that show up illegally.

It's pretty nice of them to offer a ticket and cash.

Using your logic, no one was under any obligation to help the Jews (gypsies, disabled, etc) fleeing the Holocaust.

That is correct. It was entirely up to the discretion of the United States. Many factors were probably taken into account, not in the least was the ability for the European Jews to assimilate easily and readily into American society and not be a burden.

The problems in Eritrea (and Ethiopia and Somalia and Syria) can not be solved by absorbing their entire populations into other countries. While kind-hearted, this is ridiculously short-sighted.

Not up to the discretion of the Palestinians, of course. The people who, you know, already lived there.

I believe that we are responsible for each other's well-being. By living on this planet, we are beholden to one another. No one is obligated to help victims of human trafficking, or of natural disasters, or of famine, and yet we do. I think the same level of compassion should be applied to people seeking to escape oppressive and war-torn environments.

I'm not sure the relevance of this. This is just a dig at Israel, right?

It is no more up "up to the discretion of the Palestinians" whether to allow African immigrants than it is up to Natives in this country. Or up to the Native Indians in Canada. Or any Latin American country.

Yes, people were often displaced and even almost exterminated (in our case) as a result of wars and countries being "formed." Many people all over the world long for the "way it was" -- not just Palestinians, but Armenians and Irish.

None of this means Israel cannot develop an immigration policy that works for them.

[Anonymous]

Yes, it is a dig at israeli right wing assholes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You forgot the $3,500 per person part. And a ticket home or to another African country. Kind of a nice thing to do for people who you can't absorb without financial implications for your own country and people

Oooh, goodie, you're so right, these Africans should be so grateful for a one-way ticket back to the place they were risking their lives to escape. On a very basic level, whatever happened to "paying it forward"?

If y'all read, you'll see that the Israeli govt made an agreement with another African country - there is a choice. I dare say 3500 bucks can help buy a better life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, so Israel should open its borders to thousands and thousands of Africans just because they show up?

Should Europe? Should we? Will you absorb thousands of immigrants into your neighborhood?

Israel -- actually any nation -- is under zero obligation to take in immigrants that show up illegally.

It's pretty nice of them to offer a ticket and cash.

Using your logic, no one was under any obligation to help the Jews (gypsies, disabled, etc) fleeing the Holocaust.

That is correct. It was entirely up to the discretion of the United States. Many factors were probably taken into account, not in the least was the ability for the European Jews to assimilate easily and readily into American society and not be a burden.

The problems in Eritrea (and Ethiopia and Somalia and Syria) can not be solved by absorbing their entire populations into other countries. While kind-hearted, this is ridiculously short-sighted.

Not up to the discretion of the Palestinians, of course. The people who, you know, already lived there.

I believe that we are responsible for each other's well-being. By living on this planet, we are beholden to one another. No one is obligated to help victims of human trafficking, or of natural disasters, or of famine, and yet we do. I think the same level of compassion should be applied to people seeking to escape oppressive and war-torn environments.

How many illegals have you personally taken in?

[Anonymous]

Right wingers prove again they are the scions of the ideology of: "who gives a fuck about anyone else."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, so Israel should open its borders to thousands and thousands of Africans just because they show up?

Should Europe? Should we? Will you absorb thousands of immigrants into your neighborhood?

Israel -- actually any nation -- is under zero obligation to take in immigrants that show up illegally.

It's pretty nice of them to offer a ticket and cash.

Using your logic, no one was under any obligation to help the Jews (gypsies, disabled, etc) fleeing the Holocaust.

That is correct. It was entirely up to the discretion of the United States. Many factors were probably taken into account, not in the least was the ability for the European Jews to assimilate easily and readily into American society and not be a burden.

The problems in Eritrea (and Ethiopia and Somalia and Syria) can not be solved by absorbing their entire populations into other countries. While kind-hearted, this is ridiculously short-sighted.

Not up to the discretion of the Palestinians, of course. The people who, you know, already lived there.

I believe that we are responsible for each other's well-being. By living on this planet, we are beholden to one another. No one is obligated to help victims of human trafficking, or of natural disasters, or of famine, and yet we do. I think the same level of compassion should be applied to people seeking to escape oppressive and war-torn environments.

How many illegals have you personally taken in?

Nice straw man.

I am not a nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You forgot the $3,500 per person part. And a ticket home or to another African country. Kind of a nice thing to do for people who you can't absorb without financial implications for your own country and people

Oooh, goodie, you're so right, these Africans should be so grateful for a one-way ticket back to the place they were risking their lives to escape. On a very basic level, whatever happened to "paying it forward"?

Are you a grown up or are you in high school? No wait, make that college and your majoring in what, Women's Studies? Oppressive White People?

Do you have one of those "Everything I learned in Kindergarten" posters on your wall?

Yes. They should be grateful.

Israel *owes* them nothing.

And we *owe* Israel nothing. Now can we please cut off the billions they receive from us every year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, so Israel should open its borders to thousands and thousands of Africans just because they show up?

Should Europe? Should we? Will you absorb thousands of immigrants into your neighborhood?

Israel -- actually any nation -- is under zero obligation to take in immigrants that show up illegally.

It's pretty nice of them to offer a ticket and cash.

Using your logic, no one was under any obligation to help the Jews (gypsies, disabled, etc) fleeing the Holocaust.

That is correct. It was entirely up to the discretion of the United States. Many factors were probably taken into account, not in the least was the ability for the European Jews to assimilate easily and readily into American society and not be a burden.

The problems in Eritrea (and Ethiopia and Somalia and Syria) can not be solved by absorbing their entire populations into other countries. While kind-hearted, this is ridiculously short-sighted.

Not up to the discretion of the Palestinians, of course. The people who, you know, already lived there.

I believe that we are responsible for each other's well-being. By living on this planet, we are beholden to one another. No one is obligated to help victims of human trafficking, or of natural disasters, or of famine, and yet we do. I think the same level of compassion should be applied to people seeking to escape oppressive and war-torn environments.

How many illegals have you personally taken in?

Nice straw man.

I am not a nation.

Easy to say when it's not your personal borders being penetrated. Bring a progressive bleeding heart out of utopia and into reality, the argument fails

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right wingers prove again they are the scions of the ideology of: "who gives a fuck about anyone else."

You can offer shelter to a refugee. What's stopping you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right wingers prove again they are the scions of the ideology of: "who gives a fuck about anyone else."

You can offer shelter to a refugee. What's stopping you?

They need a new country, not a sofa to crash on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right wingers prove again they are the scions of the ideology of: "who gives a fuck about anyone else."

You can offer shelter to a refugee. What's stopping you?

What's stopping israeli right wingers? Oh, I forgot. They're assholes!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Agreed that this is terrible, but the US sort of did do that to Jews fleeing Hitler:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

Agree. It was terrible how we and other nations treated Jews desperate to get out of Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But they are black and poor....not like the French!

And not Jewish. But then they do let black Jews into the country, they just give them injections of birth control without their knowledge!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, so Israel should open its borders to thousands and thousands of Africans just because they show up?

Should Europe? Should we? Will you absorb thousands of immigrants into your neighborhood?

Israel -- actually any nation -- is under zero obligation to take in immigrants that show up illegally.

It's pretty nice of them to offer a ticket and cash.

Using your logic, no one was under any obligation to help the Jews (gypsies, disabled, etc) fleeing the Holocaust.

That is correct. It was entirely up to the discretion of the United States. Many factors were probably taken into account, not in the least was the ability for the European Jews to assimilate easily and readily into American society and not be a burden.

The problems in Eritrea (and Ethiopia and Somalia and Syria) can not be solved by absorbing their entire populations into other countries. While kind-hearted, this is ridiculously short-sighted.

Yes, the basic anti-Semitism that fueled limited quotas for Jews in work and higher education and encouraged residential segregation was alive and well at the time. Those Jews would have been a burden on the anti-Semites (many people at the time) who couldn't bear to have to live side by side with someone who didn't share their Christian identity and culture. Very inconvenient.

[Anonymous]

Here is info about how black Jews are treated. Bet the French Jews who immigrate never get birth control shots

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/01/29/israel-acknowledges-shameful-contraceptive-shots-given-to-ethiopian-jews/

According to Haaretz, the documentary chronicled 35 Ethiopian women who immigrated to Israel eight years ago and said they were told they would not be allowed to move to Israel unless they agreed to the Depo-Provera shots.

“We said we won’t have the shot,” recounted one of the women, according to Haaretz. “They told us, if you don’t you won’t go to Israel. And also you won’t be allowed into (an assistance program), you won’t get aid or medical care. We were afraid … We didn’t have a choice. Without them and their aid we couldn’t leave (Ethiopia). So we accepted the injection. It was only with their permission that we were allowed to leave.”