New Israeli Government is a Horror Show

[Anonymous]

Let's take Dahan's quote. It seems to have been mis-translated from Hebrew to English.

The actual translation of his quote, in rough form as put through google translate, is below:

"I believe they are human, animals are not human," said Ben Dahan, the Jewish Home Party, in an interview to the "Radius". "Palestinian people is not educated for peace, he does not want peace," added the deputy minister present his teachings, due to the resumption of negotiations. "What they are taught at camp? We take them to Gymboree. What they do at camp? Simulate weapons and war."

This is very different than what the Palestinian blogs are saying he said.


As for Ayelet Shaked, seems you you and David Duke have something in common after all! Rejoice!

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Let's take Dahan's quote. It seems to have been mis-translated from Hebrew to English.

The actual translation of his quote, in rough form as put through google translate, is below:

"I believe they are human, animals are not human," said Ben Dahan, the Jewish Home Party, in an interview to the "Radius". "Palestinian people is not educated for peace, he does not want peace," added the deputy minister present his teachings, due to the resumption of negotiations. "What they are taught at camp? We take them to Gymboree. What they do at camp? Simulate weapons and war."

This is very different than what the Palestinian blogs are saying he said.


As for Ayelet Shaked, seems you you and David Duke have something in common after all! Rejoice!

Please follow the link I posted and put it through Google Translate yourself. You will see that the source you are quoting above (without attribution, I note) is simply wrong.

I don't know if Hebrew will show up in the forum, but here is the Hebrew version:

??? ??? ??????? ??, ??? ?? ???, ????? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ????????. "?????? ?? ???? ???, ?? ?? ???", ??? ?? ???, ?????? ???? ??????, ?????? ????? "?????". "??? ????????? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ?? ???? ????", ????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ????? ???? ????. "?? ?????? ???? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ??'??????. ?? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????".

That comes from here:

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

Here is the translation from Google Translate:

Deputy Minister of Religious Services, Eli Ben-Dahan, said today racism against the Palestinian people. "For me they are brutes, they are not human," said Ben-Dahan, Jewish Home Party, in an interview with "radius". "The Palestinian people is not educated to peace, he does not want peace," added the deputy minister present his teachings, in view of the resumption of negotiations. "What they are taught at camp? We take them jamboree. What do they do at camp? Simulated weapons and war".

Try it yourself rather than relying on that lunatic source (I would be embarrassed to link to that as well).

Since it is pretty clear that you are wrong in this case, will you for once acknowledge your error? It is really tiring to continually point out things you get wrong only for you to continue denying it despite all evidence.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's take Dahan's quote. It seems to have been mis-translated from Hebrew to English.

The actual translation of his quote, in rough form as put through google translate, is below:

"I believe they are human, animals are not human," said Ben Dahan, the Jewish Home Party, in an interview to the "Radius". "Palestinian people is not educated for peace, he does not want peace," added the deputy minister present his teachings, due to the resumption of negotiations. "What they are taught at camp? We take them to Gymboree. What they do at camp? Simulate weapons and war."

This is very different than what the Palestinian blogs are saying he said.


As for Ayelet Shaked, seems you you and David Duke have something in common after all! Rejoice!

Please follow the link I posted and put it through Google Translate yourself. You will see that the source you are quoting above (without attribution, I note) is simply wrong.

I don't know if Hebrew will show up in the forum, but here is the Hebrew version:

??? ??? ??????? ??, ??? ?? ???, ????? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ????????. "?????? ?? ???? ???, ?? ?? ???", ??? ?? ???, ?????? ???? ??????, ?????? ????? "?????". "??? ????????? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ?? ???? ????", ????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ????? ???? ????. "?? ?????? ???? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ??'??????. ?? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????".

That comes from here:

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

Here is the translation from Google Translate:

Deputy Minister of Religious Services, Eli Ben-Dahan, said today racism against the Palestinian people. "For me they are brutes, they are not human," said Ben-Dahan, Jewish Home Party, in an interview with "radius". "The Palestinian people is not educated to peace, he does not want peace," added the deputy minister present his teachings, in view of the resumption of negotiations. "What they are taught at camp? We take them jamboree. What do they do at camp? Simulated weapons and war".

Try it yourself rather than relying on that lunatic source (I would be embarrassed to link to that as well).

Since it is pretty clear that you are wrong in this case, will you for once acknowledge your error? It is really tiring to continually point out things you get wrong only for you to continue denying it despite all evidence.

They are brutes and they are not behaving as humans, I agree. Anyone who wires children, animals, their mentally ill, and sometimes themselves, to blow up civilians are behaving in a brutish and inhuman way. Do you disagree? Do you think that is acceptable behavior, to wire up people like that? Animals?

In addition, his other statements also ring true - the children are not educated towards peace. That has been shown time and again with the anti-murderous propaganda cartoons, etc.

Your google translate and the one I put up are very, very similar.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's take Dahan's quote. It seems to have been mis-translated from Hebrew to English.

The actual translation of his quote, in rough form as put through google translate, is below:

"I believe they are human, animals are not human," said Ben Dahan, the Jewish Home Party, in an interview to the "Radius". "Palestinian people is not educated for peace, he does not want peace," added the deputy minister present his teachings, due to the resumption of negotiations. "What they are taught at camp? We take them to Gymboree. What they do at camp? Simulate weapons and war."

This is very different than what the Palestinian blogs are saying he said.


As for Ayelet Shaked, seems you you and David Duke have something in common after all! Rejoice!

Please follow the link I posted and put it through Google Translate yourself. You will see that the source you are quoting above (without attribution, I note) is simply wrong.

I don't know if Hebrew will show up in the forum, but here is the Hebrew version:

??? ??? ??????? ??, ??? ?? ???, ????? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ????????. "?????? ?? ???? ???, ?? ?? ???", ??? ?? ???, ?????? ???? ??????, ?????? ????? "?????". "??? ????????? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ?? ???? ????", ????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ????? ???? ????. "?? ?????? ???? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ??'??????. ?? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????".

That comes from here:

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

Here is the translation from Google Translate:

Deputy Minister of Religious Services, Eli Ben-Dahan, said today racism against the Palestinian people. "For me they are brutes, they are not human," said Ben-Dahan, Jewish Home Party, in an interview with "radius". "The Palestinian people is not educated to peace, he does not want peace," added the deputy minister present his teachings, in view of the resumption of negotiations. "What they are taught at camp? We take them jamboree. What do they do at camp? Simulated weapons and war".

Try it yourself rather than relying on that lunatic source (I would be embarrassed to link to that as well).

Since it is pretty clear that you are wrong in this case, will you for once acknowledge your error? It is really tiring to continually point out things you get wrong only for you to continue denying it despite all evidence.

They are brutes and they are not behaving as humans, I agree. Anyone who wires children, animals, their mentally ill, and sometimes themselves, to blow up civilians are behaving in a brutish and inhuman way. Do you disagree? Do you think that is acceptable behavior, to wire up people like that? Animals?

In addition, his other statements also ring true - the children are not educated towards peace. That has been shown time and again with the anti-murderous propaganda cartoons, etc.

Your google translate and the one I put up are very, very similar.

So, you have gone from saying that I provided a mistranslation to saying that the translation I provided is not a mistranslation and, in fact, you agree with the person quoted?

What a load of BS. Can you write this sort of thing with a straight face?

Are you sure that you want to be on the record as saying that Palestinians are brutes and not human? You don't want to clarify that in any way? Because that is a pretty bigoted thing to say.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-defense-minister-promises-kill-more-civilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.

I apologize. I hadn't realized that Hamas was part of the Israeli government. If/when I get around to a thread about the Palestinian government, I'll make sure that I mention Israeli leaders as well.

I have noticed in this thread that the pro-Israel folks have trouble staying on topic. They just want to come into this thread and take it over. I guess that sort of thing has become a habit for them.

But that's the point, you don't ever "get around" to a thread about the Palestinian government. You just start thread after thread about Israel and Netanyahu. It's your soapbox of course.

[Anonymous]

^But the Israeli govt likes to pretend it upholds western, democratic values.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
But that's the point, you don't ever "get around" to a thread about the Palestinian government. You just start thread after thread about Israel and Netanyahu. It's your soapbox of course.

It's a shame that all of your Internet-capable devices apparently have broken mice and you are unable to click the "New Topic" button.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

But that's the point, you don't ever "get around" to a thread about the Palestinian government. You just start thread after thread about Israel and Netanyahu. It's your soapbox of course.


It's a shame that all of your Internet-capable devices apparently have broken mice and you are unable to click the "New Topic" button.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But that's the point, you don't ever "get around" to a thread about the Palestinian government. You just start thread after thread about Israel and Netanyahu. It's your soapbox of course.


It's a shame that all of your Internet-capable devices apparently have broken mice and you are unable to click the "New Topic" button.

+100

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's take Dahan's quote. It seems to have been mis-translated from Hebrew to English.

The actual translation of his quote, in rough form as put through google translate, is below:

"I believe they are human, animals are not human," said Ben Dahan, the Jewish Home Party, in an interview to the "Radius". "Palestinian people is not educated for peace, he does not want peace," added the deputy minister present his teachings, due to the resumption of negotiations. "What they are taught at camp? We take them to Gymboree. What they do at camp? Simulate weapons and war."

This is very different than what the Palestinian blogs are saying he said.


As for Ayelet Shaked, seems you you and David Duke have something in common after all! Rejoice!

Please follow the link I posted and put it through Google Translate yourself. You will see that the source you are quoting above (without attribution, I note) is simply wrong.

I don't know if Hebrew will show up in the forum, but here is the Hebrew version:

??? ??? ??????? ??, ??? ?? ???, ????? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ????????. "?????? ?? ???? ???, ?? ?? ???", ??? ?? ???, ?????? ???? ??????, ?????? ????? "?????". "??? ????????? ??? ?? ????? ?????, ??? ?? ???? ????", ????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????, ?? ??? ????? ???? ????. "?? ?????? ???? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ??'??????. ?? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????".

That comes from here:

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

Here is the translation from Google Translate:

Deputy Minister of Religious Services, Eli Ben-Dahan, said today racism against the Palestinian people. "For me they are brutes, they are not human," said Ben-Dahan, Jewish Home Party, in an interview with "radius". "The Palestinian people is not educated to peace, he does not want peace," added the deputy minister present his teachings, in view of the resumption of negotiations. "What they are taught at camp? We take them jamboree. What do they do at camp? Simulated weapons and war".

Try it yourself rather than relying on that lunatic source (I would be embarrassed to link to that as well).

Since it is pretty clear that you are wrong in this case, will you for once acknowledge your error? It is really tiring to continually point out things you get wrong only for you to continue denying it despite all evidence.

They are brutes and they are not behaving as humans, I agree. Anyone who wires children, animals, their mentally ill, and sometimes themselves, to blow up civilians are behaving in a brutish and inhuman way. Do you disagree? Do you think that is acceptable behavior, to wire up people like that? Animals?

In addition, his other statements also ring true - the children are not educated towards peace. That has been shown time and again with the anti-murderous propaganda cartoons, etc.

Your google translate and the one I put up are very, very similar.

So, you have gone from saying that I provided a mistranslation to saying that the translation I provided is not a mistranslation and, in fact, you agree with the person quoted?

What a load of BS. Can you write this sort of thing with a straight face?

Are you sure that you want to be on the record as saying that Palestinians are brutes and not human? You don't want to clarify that in any way? Because that is a pretty bigoted thing to say.

It's a similar translation but there is a difference in the way it's worded when put through google, and that's what makes the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley...ilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Tic...icker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-...-israeli-passport-9600165.html



I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.


I apologize. I hadn't realized that Hamas was part of the Israeli government. If/when I get around to a thread about the Palestinian government, I'll make sure that I mention Israeli leaders as well.

I have noticed in this thread that the pro-Israel folks have trouble staying on topic. They just want to come into this thread and take it over. I guess that sort of thing has become a habit for them.


But that's the point, you don't ever "get around" to a thread about the Palestinian government. You just start thread after thread about Israel and Netanyahu. It's your soapbox of course.
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There is just no defending this type of stuff. I can see why you choice to attack others.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given your first source, your mindset is clear

Apparently, your mindset is clear as well. You are determined not to have a discussion but just deflect from the topic.

Why would we try to have a discussion about Israeli politics with you when it's clear you side with people who deny Israel's right to exist, and you try to argue that Israel is not a democracy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel is like amy other middle east country with a supposed to be democracy and free speech, in practice a "president for life" type of place

A quick review of the facts establishes that, no, Israel has not had a "president for life."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel is like amy other middle east country with a supposed to be democracy and free speech, in practice a "president for life" type of place

A quick review of the facts establishes that, no, Israel has not had a "president for life."

+1 Israeli prime ministers are in office an average of 3 years maybe, I think. Bibi has been an exception to this surprisingly. Most governments are short lived

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given your first source, your mindset is clear

Apparently, your mindset is clear as well. You are determined not to have a discussion but just deflect from the topic.

Why would we try to have a discussion about Israeli politics with you when it's clear you side with people who deny Israel's right to exist, and you try to argue that Israel is not a democracy?

When did I argue that Israel is not a democracy? It is fine if you don't want to have a discussion. But, if you don't want to have a discussion, I don't understand why you would post in this thread. If you see a group of people having a discussion do you walk over to them and say, "I don't want to talk to you"? That would be strange in real life and it is pretty strange here as well.