New Israeli Government is a Horror Show

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good. No need to hide behind lies and lip service.

The question is whether that truth will sink in in America?

Not a chance ......... Israel's position is totally dominant within Congress and has been for decades and is more so today than it has ever been. It does not matter who the president is and what he/she may wish to do to achieve any semblance of balance in US policy towards Israel and Palestine.

As Yitzak Shamir said when he was PM, it really does not matter what any president says because Congress will do what Israel wants - paraphrasing what he said at the time.

I am not sure what could happen to change this dynamic. I have been a critic of Obama but the one thing he has done right is not to allow the neo-cons and Israel to push the US into a war with Iran.

Israel has not wanted peace ever since Rabin and Barak were prime minister. They will pay lip service to peace and a two state solution but any peace agreement would mean giving up territory and not being able to annex or expropriate more land from the Palestinians and so the present situation will continue.

[Anonymous]

Israel is like amy other middle east country with a supposed to be democracy and free speech, in practice a "president for life" type of place

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good. No need to hide behind lies and lip service.

The question is whether that truth will sink in in America?

Not a chance ......... Israel's position is totally dominant within Congress and has been for decades and is more so today than it has ever been. It does not matter who the president is and what he/she may wish to do to achieve any semblance of balance in US policy towards Israel and Palestine.

As Yitzak Shamir said when he was PM, it really does not matter what any president says because Congress will do what Israel wants - paraphrasing what he said at the time.

I am not sure what could happen to change this dynamic. I have been a critic of Obama but the one thing he has done right is not to allow the neo-cons and Israel to push the US into a war with Iran.

Israel has not wanted peace ever since Rabin and Barak were prime minister. They will pay lip service to peace and a two state solution but any peace agreement would mean giving up territory and not being able to annex or expropriate more land from the Palestinians and so the present situation will continue.

+1

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good. No need to hide behind lies and lip service.

The question is whether that truth will sink in in America?

Not until the college students take notice. Change in America begins with the youth. South Africa's anti-apartheid movement and the boycott of companies dealing in South Africa began with Howard University students and Randall Robinson. It spread across the country. We can only hope that university students on another campus will do the same thing against Israel's apartheid.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-defense-minister-promises-kill-more-civilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-defense-minister-promises-kill-more-civilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.

In what way is Hamas newsworthy this week? And would mentioning them make the current government less "aweful?"

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-defense-minister-promises-kill-more-civilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.

I apologize. I hadn't realized that Hamas was part of the Israeli government. If/when I get around to a thread about the Palestinian government, I'll make sure that I mention Israeli leaders as well.

I have noticed in this thread that the pro-Israel folks have trouble staying on topic. They just want to come into this thread and take it over. I guess that sort of thing has become a habit for them.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-defense-minister-promises-kill-more-civilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.

I apologize. I hadn't realized that Hamas was part of the Israeli government. If/when I get around to a thread about the Palestinian government, I'll make sure that I mention Israeli leaders as well.

I have noticed in this thread that the pro-Israel folks have trouble staying on topic. They just want to come into this thread and take it over. I guess that sort of thing has become a habit for them.

Yeah, I figured you wanted to ignore the fact that the palestinians elected a designated terrorist organization as their "leaders" in the form of Hamas - and Hamas is really just a proxi for ISIS/Islamic State.

Sorry to interrupt your anti-semitism fest; you can go back to bashing Israel now.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley...ilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Tic...icker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-...-israeli-passport-9600165.html



I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.


I apologize. I hadn't realized that Hamas was part of the Israeli government. If/when I get around to a thread about the Palestinian government, I'll make sure that I mention Israeli leaders as well.

I have noticed in this thread that the pro-Israel folks have trouble staying on topic. They just want to come into this thread and take it over. I guess that sort of thing has become a habit for them.


Yeah, I figured you wanted to ignore the fact that the palestinians elected a designated terrorist organization as their "leaders" in the form of Hamas - and Hamas is really just a proxi for ISIS/Islamic State.

Sorry to interrupt your anti-semitism fest; you can go back to bashing Israel now.
[Report Post]

Israel has opened its borders with Syria in order to provide medical treatment to Nusra Front and al-Qaida fighters wounded in the ongoing civil war, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The prominent American newspaper reported that Nusra Front, the Sunni Muslim al-Qaida offshoot which is currently fighting the Iranian-backed axis of Bashar Assad and Hezbollah, "hasn't bothered Israel since seizing the border area last summer" along the Golan Heights.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-treating-al-Qaida-fighters-wounded-in-Syria-civil-war-393862

A report submitted to the United Nations Security Council by UN observers in the Golan Heights over the past 18 months shows that Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) have been in regular contact with Syrian rebels, including Islamic State (ISIS) militants.

Citing the UN report, Haaretz noted that there have been several instances detailed in the report that shows close ties between Syrian armed rebels and Israeli army.

According to the UN report, a person wounded on 15 September “was taken by armed members of the opposition across the ceasefire line, where he was transferred to a civilian ambulance escorted by an IDF vehicle.”

Moreover, from 9-19 November, the “UNDOF observed at least 10 wounded persons being transferred by armed members of the opposition from the Bravo side across the ceasefire line to IDF.”

As per the details released by the Israel’s health ministry, so far some 1,000 Syrians have been treated in four Israeli hospitals. Besides the civilians, some are members of the secular Free Syrian Army rebel group.

Israel initially had maintained that it was treating only civilians. However, reports claimed that earlier last month members of Israel’s Druze minority protested the hospitalisation of wounded Syrian fighters from the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front in Israel.

A statement issued by a group of Druze activists accused the Israeli government of supporting radical Sunni factions such as the Islamic State (ISIS).

Replying to a question by i24News on whether Israel has given medical assistance to members of al-Nusra and Daesh (the Arabic acronym for the Islamic State (ISIS), a Israeli military spokesman’s office said: “In the past two years the Israel Defence Forces have been engaged in humanitarian, life-saving aid to wounded Syrians, irrespective of their identity.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/5429363

Let's talk about the Israelis helping the people who attacked this country on 911. Israel is antiamerican. Anyone who defends Israel is against the USA and our troops. Why don't you support the USA?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, I figured you wanted to ignore the fact that the palestinians elected a designated terrorist organization as their "leaders" in the form of Hamas - and Hamas is really just a proxi for ISIS/Islamic State.

Sorry to interrupt your anti-semitism fest; you can go back to bashing Israel now.

Typical. Nothing in this thread is anti-Semitic. But, when you can't argue the facts I guess that is all you have got.

Just for the record, though I am sure you don't care about facts, but Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood which is in conflict with IS. As the earlier poster pointed out, Israel has been providing assistance to al-Nusra -- the al-Qaida offshoot in Syria. So, Hamas -- which as you said was democratically-elected is aligned with another group that was democratically-elected. Israel, which likes to talk about being a democracy, opposes both of those democratically-elected groups and instead provides assistance to an al-Qaida affiliate. But, of course, I am an anti-Semite for pointing that out.

[Anonymous]

Yes, right wing freak government. And the quoted comments are counterproductive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-defense-minister-promises-kill-more-civilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.

Jeff's first source, the EI? Take a look at at the Twitter feeds of the founder and an EI colleague after those three Israeli boys were kidnapped (and later murdered). Good LORD!

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/06/15/supporting-terrorism-and-bigotry-at-the-electronic-intifada/

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-defense-minister-promises-kill-more-civilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.

Jeff's first source, the EI? Take a look at at the Twitter feeds of the founder and an EI colleague after those three Israeli boys were kidnapped (and later murdered). Good LORD!

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/06/15/supporting-terrorism-and-bigotry-at-the-electronic-intifada/

What is your point? Do you think the report to which I linked is wrong? Okay, set that one aside. What about the other two? What is your opinion of these ministers? Do you agree with the quoted remarks? Do you want to engage in discussion of the topic of this thread or just try to deflect it?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Netanyahu increased the number of seats that his party held in the last election. However, he did it at the expense of other right-wing parties. As a result, the pool of potential coalition parties decreased. The situation was further aggravated when Avigdor Lieberman said his party wouldn't join a coalition. As a result, Netanyahu was only able to form a coalition with the minimum number of votes necessary, basically giving the extremists a blank check in exchange for their support. The extremists took advantage and the result is a government that is unbelievable:

Defense Minister: Moshe Yaalon -- recently said, "we are going to hurt Lebanese civilians to include kids of the family. We went through a very long deep discussion … we did it then, we did it in [the] Gaza Strip, we are going to do it in any round of hostilities in the future." He also suggested that Israel would use a nuclear bomb against Iran.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-defense-minister-promises-kill-more-civilians-and-threatens-nuke-iran

Deputy Defense Minister: Eli Ben-Dahan -- said in a published interview that the "souls of all Jews are higher than those of Christians or Muslims or anybody else"

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Ben-Dahan-must-go-336815

He also said about Palestinians: "For me they are brutes, they are not human". His current position gives him responsibility over the West Bank and the Palestinians who live there.

http://news.nana10.co.il/Common/GeneralModules/Ticker/PopUp.asp?ServiceID=126&ArticleID=995608&Inews=0&utm_source=mivzakimnet&utm_medium=ticker&utm_campaign=mivzakimnet

(If you don't read Hebrew, use Google Translate)

Justice Minister: Ayelet Shaked -- Has euphemistically called for genocide against the Palestinians and more explicitly called for killing Palestinian mothers so that they cannot give birth to children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

I notice you left out Hamas leaders aweful and hateful statements about Jews, Israel, the U.S., etc. but you don't want to publicize that part of the story do you.

Jeff's first source, the EI? Take a look at at the Twitter feeds of the founder and an EI colleague after those three Israeli boys were kidnapped (and later murdered). Good LORD!

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/06/15/supporting-terrorism-and-bigotry-at-the-electronic-intifada/

What is your point? Do you think the report to which I linked is wrong? Okay, set that one aside. What about the other two? What is your opinion of these ministers? Do you agree with the quoted remarks? Do you want to engage in discussion of the topic of this thread or just try to deflect it?

Given your first source, your mindset is clear

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Given your first source, your mindset is clear

Apparently, your mindset is clear as well. You are determined not to have a discussion but just deflect from the topic.