AAP Appeal Process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, appeal! In letter talk about child being 2E. The SB is focused on 2E kuds being identified an appropriately placed. Also, we used DR. Dahlgren in Fairfax City. Good Luck!

Thank you! This is what I was looking for with my post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok you knew this was coming.... Who has information on the AAP appeals process? What worked for you? Does anyone know where I can get a Naglieri re-test? GMU doesn't offer them this time of year. DC was diagnosed with ADHD in the middle of all this so we think we need to retest him. WISC score is very high but wasn't enough apparently.

If the WISC was not high enough, I am not sure a Naglieri score will help. Did you include the doctor's evaluation report/diagnosis in with the original screening file? If not, I would offer that as new information. You may also want to consider the Stanford-Binet.

I'm OP. The WISC was said to be taken with a grain of salt because of my DC's behavior during the test. DC had a WISC at 90th percentile but the GAI (only two of the tests) was at 97th percentile. They thought GAI was a better measure because of the large differences between the tests (90s vs 30s) probably due to the ADHD (that we didn't know he had at the time). I did include the doctors' report. Thank you for the suggestion of the Stanford-Binet. I will look into that.

If I'm not mistaken, those scores are in the 119-129 range. Unfortunately, those are just not typically the scores that are admitted.

True. But my eldest was admitted with NNAT of 125.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I hate to say it, but it really sounds like you're looking for the diagnosis of ADHD to excuse the scores. I'm not going to say there isn't something off with the scores, but you may be barking up the wrong tree. My DD does not have an official diagnosis of ADHD yet after taking the WISC, the psychologist said that DC's behavior and results were strongly indicative of it. The psychologist indicated that, among other things, DD was extremely fidgety throughout the duration of the test - at one point she was apparently laying partially through the arms of the chair she was supposed to be sitting in, partially on a window sill, partially on the desk, and still continued with the test. Honestly, I can't picture how this was possible (I giggle every time I try), but given the source if the information, I have no doubt that its true. That being said, the psychologist was extremely confident in the score, described the situation accurately in the report, and DD was accepted to AAP (keep in mind that since there is no official diagnosis I couldn't include any reference to the possibility of ADHD in the application). The statement that the scores were 90s vs. 30s it what really makes me think there is something strange (other than ADHD) at play here; based on what you've said, I'd be more inclined to believe there was a problem with the way the test was administered. Despite DD's extraordinary fidgeting, question asking, and various other attempts to "self-sabotage," all scores ranged from the 94th-99.7th percentile.

The WISC scores don't need an excuse. They're great but not great enough for AAP as I said in the original post. That said, with the identification of ADHD, meds, & he 504 plan his grades are rising rapidly. His psychologist suggested we test him again once he is settled in on the meds. I was looking for whether the NNAT was the right thing and I've gotten some good information here. Thanks everyone! So we'll do another test, and if it's better, we'll appeal. DC is happy where he is but his psychologist thinks he would have an easier time of it in AAP (because a lot of the kids have it) nd is capable of doing the work. We'll see!

[Anonymous]

My son who has a diagnosis of ADHD got in to AAP with CoGAT of 115, nnat of 120 and gbrs of 10. Very strong work samples however.

[Anonymous]

What WISC IV scores do DCs need for admission?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What WISC IV scores do DCs need for admission?

Typically, scores above 130

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I hate to say it, but it really sounds like you're looking for the diagnosis of ADHD to excuse the scores. I'm not going to say there isn't something off with the scores, but you may be barking up the wrong tree. My DD does not have an official diagnosis of ADHD yet after taking the WISC, the psychologist said that DC's behavior and results were strongly indicative of it. The psychologist indicated that, among other things, DD was extremely fidgety throughout the duration of the test - at one point she was apparently laying partially through the arms of the chair she was supposed to be sitting in, partially on a window sill, partially on the desk, and still continued with the test. Honestly, I can't picture how this was possible (I giggle every time I try), but given the source if the information, I have no doubt that its true. That being said, the psychologist was extremely confident in the score, described the situation accurately in the report, and DD was accepted to AAP (keep in mind that since there is no official diagnosis I couldn't include any reference to the possibility of ADHD in the application). The statement that the scores were 90s vs. 30s it what really makes me think there is something strange (other than ADHD) at play here; based on what you've said, I'd be more inclined to believe there was a problem with the way the test was administered. Despite DD's extraordinary fidgeting, question asking, and various other attempts to "self-sabotage," all scores ranged from the 94th-99.7th percentile.

The WISC scores don't need an excuse. They're great but not great enough for AAP as I said in the original post. That said, with the identification of ADHD, meds, & he 504 plan his grades are rising rapidly. His psychologist suggested we test him again once he is settled in on the meds. I was looking for whether the NNAT was the right thing and I've gotten some good information here. Thanks everyone! So we'll do another test, and if it's better, we'll appeal. DC is happy where he is but his psychologist thinks he would have an easier time of it in AAP (because a lot of the kids have it) nd is capable of doing the work. We'll see!

A lot of kids have what?

[Anonymous]

So the psychologist who tested your ds said that your ds should be in AAP because a lot of kids in AAP have ADHD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the psychologist who tested your ds said that your ds should be in AAP because a lot of kids in AAP have ADHD?

Perhaps AAP should simply be called ADHDP.

[Anonymous]

I think PP meant a lot of 2E kids are in AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok you knew this was coming.... Who has information on the AAP appeals process? What worked for you? Does anyone know where I can get a Naglieri re-test? GMU doesn't offer them this time of year. DC was diagnosed with ADHD in the middle of all this so we think we need to retest him. WISC score is very high but wasn't enough apparently.

When did you get the first WISC score? If the second WISC score is not a year apart from the first, they might not accept the second score.

[Anonymous]

Why are we medicating kids with psychotropic drugs just so they can handle a schoolwork that is a grade or two advanced?

Drugged up AAP kid vs non-drugged GenEd kid - scary to see which side some parents come down on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are we medicating kids with psychotropic drugs just so they can handle a schoolwork that is a grade or two advanced?

Drugged up AAP kid vs non-drugged GenEd kid - scary to see which side some parents come down on this.

Ah, yes -- the harpies migration is absolutely underway!

[Anonymous]

Has anyone appealed and gained admission to AAP without additional testing? I love my DC but I just can't bring myself to spend $400 now on a test that DC will have to retake in the next few years (Applying to private school after sixth grade) For now, I'd rather put the $400 in DCs savings account.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone appealed and gained admission to AAP without additional testing? I love my DC but I just can't bring myself to spend $400 now on a test that DC will have to retake in the next few years (Applying to private school after sixth grade) For now, I'd rather put the $400 in DCs savings account.

The appeals form requires new information. It is my understanding most people provide new testing as this new information. I would think you would need to provide a new parent statement, perhaps explaining what new insight you can bring to the committee why your DC should be reconsidered for AAP placement.