The Students Who Got Into Eight Ivies Are All Children of Immigrants

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ student who got in is Indian-American and a standout student even in TJ. She was smart to apply to all 8 Ivy schools because we know that the admissions criteria for Asians is more stringent than any other racial group. There is no Affirmative Action for Asians.

Considering that both parents are engineers from Bangalore - she probably had the finances to apply to multiple colleges, which she did.

While I applaud her getting into all the colleges she applied to (14 in all) - I did feel disheartened as an Asian parent, to see how much our brightest Asian students have to hedge their bets.

Now that she has the options, she can decide where to go. The colleges think that she is a good student to add to their student body, now she has to decide which college is the best match for her. Academically, she can nail it where ever she goes.

Many Asian-American students have benefited from Affirmative Action policies. Please stop trotting out that tired canard.

You might want to read 16:34's post to understand why, for many, respect for this young woman's achievements is tempered by the sense that she and her family were perhaps more interested in getting her into "name" schools than on focusing on the best match for her as an individual. We are happy to congratulate her, but not quite yet ready to build a shrine to her, if that's OK.

Wow! You do not know the motivation of this individual but think that you are all knowing and can pass judgement on their decisions? This is a racist post. Your claim that you are "happy to congratulate her" is laughable when you follow that by saying that you are "not quite ready to build a shrine for her".

Does she care about what you think? Who are you anyways that any endorsement from you will influence the trajectory of her life? Can you or your offsprings replicate what she has done?

This seems like a case of sour grapes and immigrant bashing to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ student who got in is Indian-American and a standout student even in TJ. She was smart to apply to all 8 Ivy schools because we know that the admissions criteria for Asians is more stringent than any other racial group. There is no Affirmative Action for Asians.

Considering that both parents are engineers from Bangalore - she probably had the finances to apply to multiple colleges, which she did.

While I applaud her getting into all the colleges she applied to (14 in all) - I did feel disheartened as an Asian parent, to see how much our brightest Asian students have to hedge their bets.

Now that she has the options, she can decide where to go. The colleges think that she is a good student to add to their student body, now she has to decide which college is the best match for her. Academically, she can nail it where ever she goes.

Many Asian-American students have benefited from Affirmative Action policies. Please stop trotting out that tired canard.

You might want to read 16:34's post to understand why, for many, respect for this young woman's achievements is tempered by the sense that she and her family were perhaps more interested in getting her into "name" schools than on focusing on the best match for her as an individual. We are happy to congratulate her, but not quite yet ready to build a shrine to her, if that's OK.

Wow! You do not know the motivation of this individual but think that you are all knowing and can pass judgement on their decisions? This is a racist post. Your claim that you are "happy to congratulate her" is laughable when you follow that by saying that you are "not quite ready to build a shrine for her".

Does she care about what you think? Who are you anyways that any endorsement from you will influence the trajectory of her life? Can you or your offsprings replicate what she has done?

This seems like a case of sour grapes and immigrant bashing to me.

No, I'd feel exactly the same way if we were talking about a white student. It's got nothing to do with sour grapes or immigrant bashing, and everything to do, apparently, with a different frame of reference for determining what merits praise, and in what quantities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ student who got in is Indian-American and a standout student even in TJ. She was smart to apply to all 8 Ivy schools because we know that the admissions criteria for Asians is more stringent than any other racial group. There is no Affirmative Action for Asians.

Considering that both parents are engineers from Bangalore - she probably had the finances to apply to multiple colleges, which she did.

While I applaud her getting into all the colleges she applied to (14 in all) - I did feel disheartened as an Asian parent, to see how much our brightest Asian students have to hedge their bets.

Now that she has the options, she can decide where to go. The colleges think that she is a good student to add to their student body, now she has to decide which college is the best match for her. Academically, she can nail it where ever she goes.

Many Asian-American students have benefited from Affirmative Action policies. Please stop trotting out that tired canard.

You might want to read 16:34's post to understand why, for many, respect for this young woman's achievements is tempered by the sense that she and her family were perhaps more interested in getting her into "name" schools than on focusing on the best match for her as an individual. We are happy to congratulate her, but not quite yet ready to build a shrine to her, if that's OK.

Wow! You do not know the motivation of this individual but think that you are all knowing and can pass judgement on their decisions? This is a racist post. Your claim that you are "happy to congratulate her" is laughable when you follow that by saying that you are "not quite ready to build a shrine for her".

Does she care about what you think? Who are you anyways that any endorsement from you will influence the trajectory of her life? Can you or your offsprings replicate what she has done?

This seems like a case of sour grapes and immigrant bashing to me.

No, I'd feel exactly the same way if we were talking about a white student. It's got nothing to do with sour grapes or immigrant bashing, and everything to do, apparently, with a different frame of reference for determining what merits praise, and in what quantities.

Again, your endorsement is not needed, especially when majority of people agree that getting into ANY Ivy college is praiseworthy, let alone all of them and then some!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ student who got in is Indian-American and a standout student even in TJ. She was smart to apply to all 8 Ivy schools because we know that the admissions criteria for Asians is more stringent than any other racial group. There is no Affirmative Action for Asians.

Considering that both parents are engineers from Bangalore - she probably had the finances to apply to multiple colleges, which she did.

While I applaud her getting into all the colleges she applied to (14 in all) - I did feel disheartened as an Asian parent, to see how much our brightest Asian students have to hedge their bets.

Now that she has the options, she can decide where to go. The colleges think that she is a good student to add to their student body, now she has to decide which college is the best match for her. Academically, she can nail it where ever she goes.

Many Asian-American students have benefited from Affirmative Action policies. Please stop trotting out that tired canard.

You might want to read 16:34's post to understand why, for many, respect for this young woman's achievements is tempered by the sense that she and her family were perhaps more interested in getting her into "name" schools than on focusing on the best match for her as an individual. We are happy to congratulate her, but not quite yet ready to build a shrine to her, if that's OK.

Wow! You do not know the motivation of this individual but think that you are all knowing and can pass judgement on their decisions? This is a racist post. Your claim that you are "happy to congratulate her" is laughable when you follow that by saying that you are "not quite ready to build a shrine for her".

Does she care about what you think? Who are you anyways that any endorsement from you will influence the trajectory of her life? Can you or your offsprings replicate what she has done?

This seems like a case of sour grapes and immigrant bashing to me.

No, I'd feel exactly the same way if we were talking about a white student. It's got nothing to do with sour grapes or immigrant bashing, and everything to do, apparently, with a different frame of reference for determining what merits praise, and in what quantities.

Again, your endorsement is not needed, especially when majority of people agree that getting into ANY Ivy college is praiseworthy, let alone all of them and then some!

I'd suggest that you develop a thicker skin and avoid reading internet forums, the contents of which you have no ability to control or, in this case, even monitor. When people decide to go public with stories like this, they invite public commentary and one very obvious question - at least to those actually familiar with the Ivies - is to wonder why a person would apply to all of them, when they are very different types of places.

[Anonymous]

Sour grapes you all.
Just be happy for the kids, ffs!

Come on DCUM, we are better than this.

[Anonymous]

300 million Americans vs 1.3 BILLION Indians vs 1.4 BILLION Chinese.

SImply a numbers game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sour grapes you all.
Just be happy for the kids, ffs!

Come on DCUM, we are better than this.

I'm just as happy for a kid who gets into the one non-Ivy that he or she wants to attend as I am for one who gets into seven Ivies that she'll never attend!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ student who got in is Indian-American and a standout student even in TJ. She was smart to apply to all 8 Ivy schools because we know that the admissions criteria for Asians is more stringent than any other racial group. There is no Affirmative Action for Asians.

Considering that both parents are engineers from Bangalore - she probably had the finances to apply to multiple colleges, which she did.

While I applaud her getting into all the colleges she applied to (14 in all) - I did feel disheartened as an Asian parent, to see how much our brightest Asian students have to hedge their bets.

Now that she has the options, she can decide where to go. The colleges think that she is a good student to add to their student body, now she has to decide which college is the best match for her. Academically, she can nail it where ever she goes.

Many Asian-American students have benefited from Affirmative Action policies. Please stop trotting out that tired canard.

You might want to read 16:34's post to understand why, for many, respect for this young woman's achievements is tempered by the sense that she and her family were perhaps more interested in getting her into "name" schools than on focusing on the best match for her as an individual. We are happy to congratulate her, but not quite yet ready to build a shrine to her, if that's OK.

Wrong. Did you read "The Price of Admission"? There's a whole chapter about Asians being discriminated against; the admissions staff members at several colleges were quite open about the fact that they limit the numbers of Asian admits so as not have a campus that's "too Asian". This is not a tired canard but a simple fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It makes sense for a kid to apply to MIT, Cal Tech, Carnegie Mellon, and Georgia Tech. Or Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, and Swarthmore. Or maybe Brown, Oberlin, and Reed. These groups of schools all have qualities that would attract similar students.

But the eight Ivies plus MIT and Stanford are not interchangeable. A kid for whom UPenn would be a good match would probably be very unhappy at Dartmouth and vice versa. I would tell my own child to figure out what he wanted in a school before sending out applications to any and all. What would happen if the child only got into the one Ivy that would not at all suit that child? Would the student just go to any Ivy just because it's an Ivy?

Really, who cares? In the end, the kid will only enroll at one school. Most kids will flourish at a wide range of schools.

The point is that applying to all shows a lack of research into what kind of school would be best for a particular child. What majors is a child interested in? Does the child like a big school or a small one? City, suburb, or rural area? I'd make sure my child thought about the answers to these and a lot of other questions before applying and not wait until the crunch is on in April to make a hurried decision before 1 May.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ student who got in is Indian-American and a standout student even in TJ. She was smart to apply to all 8 Ivy schools because we know that the admissions criteria for Asians is more stringent than any other racial group. There is no Affirmative Action for Asians.

Considering that both parents are engineers from Bangalore - she probably had the finances to apply to multiple colleges, which she did.

While I applaud her getting into all the colleges she applied to (14 in all) - I did feel disheartened as an Asian parent, to see how much our brightest Asian students have to hedge their bets.

Now that she has the options, she can decide where to go. The colleges think that she is a good student to add to their student body, now she has to decide which college is the best match for her. Academically, she can nail it where ever she goes.

Many Asian-American students have benefited from Affirmative Action policies. Please stop trotting out that tired canard.

You might want to read 16:34's post to understand why, for many, respect for this young woman's achievements is tempered by the sense that she and her family were perhaps more interested in getting her into "name" schools than on focusing on the best match for her as an individual. We are happy to congratulate her, but not quite yet ready to build a shrine to her, if that's OK.

Wrong. Did you read "The Price of Admission"? There's a whole chapter about Asians being discriminated against; the admissions staff members at several colleges were quite open about the fact that they limit the numbers of Asian admits so as not have a campus that's "too Asian". This is not a tired canard but a simple fact.

And there are also Asian American students who benefited from Affirmative Action, including Chinese students from low-income families in Chinatowns, low-income Vietnamese students in Texas and Virginia, etc.

It is not as monolithic "let's discriminate against Asians" as you want to suggest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It makes sense for a kid to apply to MIT, Cal Tech, Carnegie Mellon, and Georgia Tech. Or Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, and Swarthmore. Or maybe Brown, Oberlin, and Reed. These groups of schools all have qualities that would attract similar students.

But the eight Ivies plus MIT and Stanford are not interchangeable. A kid for whom UPenn would be a good match would probably be very unhappy at Dartmouth and vice versa. I would tell my own child to figure out what he wanted in a school before sending out applications to any and all. What would happen if the child only got into the one Ivy that would not at all suit that child? Would the student just go to any Ivy just because it's an Ivy?

Really, who cares? In the end, the kid will only enroll at one school. Most kids will flourish at a wide range of schools.

The point is that applying to all shows a lack of research into what kind of school would be best for a particular child. What majors is a child interested in? Does the child like a big school or a small one? City, suburb, or rural area? I'd make sure my child thought about the answers to these and a lot of other questions before applying and not wait until the crunch is on in April to make a hurried decision before 1 May.

+1. Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ student who got in is Indian-American and a standout student even in TJ. She was smart to apply to all 8 Ivy schools because we know that the admissions criteria for Asians is more stringent than any other racial group. There is no Affirmative Action for Asians.

Considering that both parents are engineers from Bangalore - she probably had the finances to apply to multiple colleges, which she did.

While I applaud her getting into all the colleges she applied to (14 in all) - I did feel disheartened as an Asian parent, to see how much our brightest Asian students have to hedge their bets.

Now that she has the options, she can decide where to go. The colleges think that she is a good student to add to their student body, now she has to decide which college is the best match for her. Academically, she can nail it where ever she goes.

Many Asian-American students have benefited from Affirmative Action policies. Please stop trotting out that tired canard.

You might want to read 16:34's post to understand why, for many, respect for this young woman's achievements is tempered by the sense that she and her family were perhaps more interested in getting her into "name" schools than on focusing on the best match for her as an individual. We are happy to congratulate her, but not quite yet ready to build a shrine to her, if that's OK.

Wrong. Did you read "The Price of Admission"? There's a whole chapter about Asians being discriminated against; the admissions staff members at several colleges were quite open about the fact that they limit the numbers of Asian admits so as not have a campus that's "too Asian". This is not a tired canard but a simple fact.

+1

It is a well known fact that Affirmative Action policies for college admissions does not apply to Asians/South Asians. It has been well documented that Asian Americans have to have better credentials and test scores than even White Americans when competing for the same admission slot.

As far as focusing on the "best match", seems like they have the pick of the litter to decide now on what will be their best match.

I don't know what the situation is with any of these kids, but as a child of immigrants I can tell you that my family did not know the different "cultures" of various colleges and neither did I. That's not really even on the radar. You get into a good school and you find your place and excel. Period.

What I don't think most Americans understand is for an immigrant who leaves their country and their culture to a different land and different culture is huge. Picking a institution of higher learning based on 'culture' v/s excellent academics along with a well respected name to put on your resume is foolish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ student who got in is Indian-American and a standout student even in TJ. She was smart to apply to all 8 Ivy schools because we know that the admissions criteria for Asians is more stringent than any other racial group. There is no Affirmative Action for Asians.

Considering that both parents are engineers from Bangalore - she probably had the finances to apply to multiple colleges, which she did.

While I applaud her getting into all the colleges she applied to (14 in all) - I did feel disheartened as an Asian parent, to see how much our brightest Asian students have to hedge their bets.

Now that she has the options, she can decide where to go. The colleges think that she is a good student to add to their student body, now she has to decide which college is the best match for her. Academically, she can nail it where ever she goes.

Many Asian-American students have benefited from Affirmative Action policies. Please stop trotting out that tired canard.

You might want to read 16:34's post to understand why, for many, respect for this young woman's achievements is tempered by the sense that she and her family were perhaps more interested in getting her into "name" schools than on focusing on the best match for her as an individual. We are happy to congratulate her, but not quite yet ready to build a shrine to her, if that's OK.

Wrong. Did you read "The Price of Admission"? There's a whole chapter about Asians being discriminated against; the admissions staff members at several colleges were quite open about the fact that they limit the numbers of Asian admits so as not have a campus that's "too Asian". This is not a tired canard but a simple fact.

And there are also Asian American students who benefited from Affirmative Action, including Chinese students from low-income families in Chinatowns, low-income Vietnamese students in Texas and Virginia, etc.

It is not as monolithic "let's discriminate against Asians" as you want to suggest.

What a bizarre argument. Asians aren't discriminated against bc some poor Asians were given a nod? Poor kids of ALL races get a thumb on the scale sometimes. The point is, all other things being equal, Asians are held to a higher standard bc there are quotas on how many Asians can be admitted. Again, colleges are quite open about this fact; it is not hearsay nor conspiracy.

[Anonymous]

did the TJ girl make a choice? I'm guessing it'll be between H and P unless she really wants to live in NYC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The TJ student who got in is Indian-American and a standout student even in TJ. She was smart to apply to all 8 Ivy schools because we know that the admissions criteria for Asians is more stringent than any other racial group. There is no Affirmative Action for Asians.

Considering that both parents are engineers from Bangalore - she probably had the finances to apply to multiple colleges, which she did.

While I applaud her getting into all the colleges she applied to (14 in all) - I did feel disheartened as an Asian parent, to see how much our brightest Asian students have to hedge their bets.

Now that she has the options, she can decide where to go. The colleges think that she is a good student to add to their student body, now she has to decide which college is the best match for her. Academically, she can nail it where ever she goes.

Many Asian-American students have benefited from Affirmative Action policies. Please stop trotting out that tired canard.

You might want to read 16:34's post to understand why, for many, respect for this young woman's achievements is tempered by the sense that she and her family were perhaps more interested in getting her into "name" schools than on focusing on the best match for her as an individual. We are happy to congratulate her, but not quite yet ready to build a shrine to her, if that's OK.

Wrong. Did you read "The Price of Admission"? There's a whole chapter about Asians being discriminated against; the admissions staff members at several colleges were quite open about the fact that they limit the numbers of Asian admits so as not have a campus that's "too Asian". This is not a tired canard but a simple fact.

And there are also Asian American students who benefited from Affirmative Action, including Chinese students from low-income families in Chinatowns, low-income Vietnamese students in Texas and Virginia, etc.

It is not as monolithic "let's discriminate against Asians" as you want to suggest.

What a bizarre argument. Asians aren't discriminated against bc some poor Asians were given a nod? Poor kids of ALL races get a thumb on the scale sometimes. The point is, all other things being equal, Asians are held to a higher standard bc there are quotas on how many Asians can be admitted. Again, colleges are quite open about this fact; it is not hearsay nor conspiracy.

They are smart to have holistic admissions policies.