MCPS policy on not returning quizzes, tests and exams to students

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Anonymous wrote:Not just end of year county assessments. Class tests, quizzes, mid term exams and in-class writing assignments. Its ridiculous.

I've seen it in elementary school for my younger child now too. DD received an ES in one writing section and an I in another writing section on the report card. I have never seen anything other than a P on anything that comes home. When I asked the teacher she said the in class work is different than what is sent home and I could come in to see it. The assignments were very different from anything we had seen. She said it was MCPS policy for graded work to be kept at the school until the grade cards were submitted.[b] I had to make a special request for her to send the writing work home at the end of the year. She normally just throws them in the trash the next year. Oh and she never mentioned any of this at the parent teacher conferences, or back to school night earlier in the year. MCPS sucks.

It's not. I know this because my kid brings home graded work.

Do they bring home their graded tests?

Did the teacher say that the MCPS policy for graded tests is for the tests to be kept at the school until the grade cards were submitted, or that the MCPS policy for graded work is for the work to be kept at the school until the grade cards were submitted?

I am not the PP you are talking to and I see you didn't answer the question for tests. But just for fun, my kids are not allowed to bring home most graded work. I receive all of it at Nov conference to look over in my large block of 10min. But as a NP, my concern is with tests and quizzes. Does MCPS return those so parents can see who their child is doing/did?

My elementary-school child brings home graded tests. And other graded work, as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you talking about class tests or standards assessment tests? Class tests policy is probably teacher specific. For standards, I think most are supposed to be mailed to the parents. I've certainly received several of DC's test scores in the mail.

Just scores? Not actual tests?

A lot of the assessment tests are taken online, and no you don't get them back. I don't ever remember getting my SAT tests back, only the test scores.

True, you don't get your SAT tests back, but that was the FIRST test I didn't get back in my entire education. So I don't think that proves that this is normal.

The students get their tests back, as far as I know. It's just that the parents don't get the students' tests back, and the students don't take the tests home.

As far as you know? Wow, this just sums up how much MCPS parents play right into the system. No questions asked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not just end of year county assessments. Class tests, quizzes, mid term exams and in-class writing assignments. Its ridiculous.

I've seen it in elementary school for my younger child now too. DD received an ES in one writing section and an I in another writing section on the report card. I have never seen anything other than a P on anything that comes home. When I asked the teacher she said the in class work is different than what is sent home and I could come in to see it. The assignments were very different from anything we had seen. She said it was MCPS policy for graded work to be kept at the school until the grade cards were submitted.[b] I had to make a special request for her to send the writing work home at the end of the year. She normally just throws them in the trash the next year. Oh and she never mentioned any of this at the parent teacher conferences, or back to school night earlier in the year. MCPS sucks.

It's not. I know this because my kid brings home graded work.

Do they bring home their graded tests?

Did the teacher say that the MCPS policy for graded tests is for the tests to be kept at the school until the grade cards were submitted, or that the MCPS policy for graded work is for the work to be kept at the school until the grade cards were submitted?

I am not the PP you are talking to and I see you didn't answer the question for tests. But just for fun, my kids are not allowed to bring home most graded work. I receive all of it at Nov conference to look over in my large block of 10min. But as a NP, my concern is with tests and quizzes. Does MCPS return those so parents can see who their child is doing/did?

My elementary-school child brings home graded tests. And other graded work, as well.

What grade and can you give us an example of what test? This is brand new. Maybe they changed the policy? Spelling quizzes do not count.

[Anonymous]

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What grade and can you give us an example of what test? This is brand new. Maybe they changed the policy? Spelling quizzes do not count.

Why not? When you say "graded", "work", and "test", what exactly do you mean?

[Anonymous]

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The students get their tests back, as far as I know. It's just that the parents don't get the students' tests back, and the students don't take the tests home.

As far as you know? Wow, this just sums up how much MCPS parents play right into the system. No questions asked.

As far as I know, because I haven't had any children in high school yet, and I only have experience with two elementary schools and one middle school. MCPS is a big and heterogeneous school system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you talking about class tests or standards assessment tests? Class tests policy is probably teacher specific. For standards, I think most are supposed to be mailed to the parents. I've certainly received several of DC's test scores in the mail.

Just scores? Not actual tests?

A lot of the assessment tests are taken online, and no you don't get them back. I don't ever remember getting my SAT tests back, only the test scores.

True, you don't get your SAT tests back, but that was the FIRST test I didn't get back in my entire education. So I don't think that proves that this is normal.

The students get their tests back, as far as I know. It's just that the parents don't get the students' tests back, and the students don't take the tests home.

Wrong. Why are here posting nonsense? The problem is that teachers and schools are not returning graded subject tests. So zero real feedback, learning or improving or reinforcing, and lazy responses to families that ask for it.

The teachers and school are returning graded subject tests to my middle-school student. My student sees them. I don't see them, but my student sees them.

Huh? Why don't you see them? Does the kid look at it and then have to give it back?

[Anonymous]

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The teachers and school are returning graded subject tests to my middle-school student. My student sees them. I don't see them, but my student sees them.

Huh? Why don't you see them? Does the kid look at it and then have to give it back?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

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The teachers and school are returning graded subject tests to my middle-school student. My student sees them. I don't see them, but my student sees them.

Huh? Why don't you see them? Does the kid look at it and then have to give it back?

Yes.

Oh, that's lame too then. If I made a mistake on something and it was a conceptual error (as opposed to just a dumb mistake), I would need to actually look at it. And maybe ask a question or too. This is basic pedagogy. This is a horrible policy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The teachers and school are returning graded subject tests to my middle-school student. My student sees them. I don't see them, but my student sees them.

Huh? Why don't you see them? Does the kid look at it and then have to give it back?

Yes.

Oh, that's lame too then. If I made a mistake on something and it was a conceptual error (as opposed to just a dumb mistake), I would need to actually look at it. And maybe ask a question or too. This is basic pedagogy. This is a horrible policy.

You're condemning something based on information from some anonymous person on an Internet message board?

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Oh, that's lame too then. If I made a mistake on something and it was a conceptual error (as opposed to just a dumb mistake), I would need to actually look at it. And maybe ask a question or too. This is basic pedagogy. This is a horrible policy.

They go over the tests in class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The teachers and school are returning graded subject tests to my middle-school student. My student sees them. I don't see them, but my student sees them.

Huh? Why don't you see them? Does the kid look at it and then have to give it back?

Yes.

Oh, that's lame too then. If I made a mistake on something and it was a conceptual error (as opposed to just a dumb mistake), I would need to actually look at it. And maybe ask a question or too. This is basic pedagogy. This is a horrible policy.

You're condemning something based on information from some anonymous person on an Internet message board?

Yes, because I can read. So, if the policy is as the PP stated, then it is lame. Now, of course, if what the person said is not true, then that statement is no longer applicable. Get it?

[Anonymous]

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Oh, that's lame too then. If I made a mistake on something and it was a conceptual error (as opposed to just a dumb mistake), I would need to actually look at it. And maybe ask a question or too. This is basic pedagogy. This is a horrible policy.

They go over the tests in class.

So? They don't go over each individual kid's mistake in class. A general go-over is fine, but not good enough. I need to understand MY conceptual error, not just hear the answer explained again.
My God. I can't believe this is something people are actually defending. Well, then again, there's a whole thread going on about how it's fine to beat your children so they don't end up criminals, so this shouldn't be so surprising.

[Anonymous]

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Oh, that's lame too then. If I made a mistake on something and it was a conceptual error (as opposed to just a dumb mistake), I would need to actually look at it. And maybe ask a question or too. This is basic pedagogy. This is a horrible policy.

They go over the tests in class.

So? They don't go over each individual kid's mistake in class. A general go-over is fine, but not good enough. I need to understand MY conceptual error, not just hear the answer explained again.
My God. I can't believe this is something people are actually defending. Well, then again, there's a whole thread going on about how it's fine to beat your children so they don't end up criminals, so this shouldn't be so surprising.

This really isn't as hard as you all make it sound. Each test/quiz has a study guide. You can go on Edline and print them out. You can go on Edline and get your child's score. If your child didn't do well on a test or a quiz, then you can e-mail the teacher and ask what part of the subject matter your child missed. Then you pull out the study guide and work with your child on that material. This is a discussion that happens every year. The policy isn't going to change. You have to figure out how to work within the system or go elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not just end of year county assessments. Class tests, quizzes, mid term exams and in-class writing assignments. Its ridiculous.

I've seen it in elementary school for my younger child now too. DD received an ES in one writing section and an I in another writing section on the report card. I have never seen anything other than a P on anything that comes home. When I asked the teacher she said the in class work is different than what is sent home and I could come in to see it. The assignments were very different from anything we had seen. She said it was MCPS policy for graded work to be kept at the school until the grade cards were submitted. I had to make a special request for her to send the writing work home at the end of the year. She normally just throws them in the trash the next year. Oh and she never mentioned any of this at the parent teacher conferences, or back to school night earlier in the year. MCPS sucks.

THAT TEACHER sucks

There fixed that for you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Oh, that's lame too then. If I made a mistake on something and it was a conceptual error (as opposed to just a dumb mistake), I would need to actually look at it. And maybe ask a question or too. This is basic pedagogy. This is a horrible policy.

They go over the tests in class.

So? They don't go over each individual kid's mistake in class. A general go-over is fine, but not good enough. I need to understand MY conceptual error, not just hear the answer explained again.
My God. I can't believe this is something people are actually defending. Well, then again, there's a whole thread going on about how it's fine to beat your children so they don't end up criminals, so this shouldn't be so surprising.

This really isn't as hard as you all make it sound. Each test/quiz has a study guide. You can go on Edline and print them out. You can go on Edline and get your child's score. If your child didn't do well on a test or a quiz, then you can e-mail the teacher and ask what part of the subject matter your child missed. Then you pull out the study guide and work with your child on that material. This is a discussion that happens every year. The policy isn't going to change. You have to figure out how to work within the system or go elsewhere.

Great attitude! The policies are unchangeable, eh? I agree they are unlikely to change, particularly if we defend them in some weird Stockholm Syndrome way. But we know that it's possible to run the system differently, because it used to run differently.
If you want to narrow the education gap, one way to do it would be to make the information/feedback about an individual child more accessible to parents. Because I will do the things you're talking about. It's silly that I have to, but I will. But if I'm a single mother working 2 jobs, then I'd be a lot less likely to.
Now, for your "workaround" for the highly informed, motivated parent: What does the study guide include? Does it actually lay out the questions and how to answer them? No, right?
And, at what point can you do this? Do you have to wait until report cards to find out your kid didn't do well and then go back and teach the child what the teacher couldn't teach them the first time around? That seems like a big waste of time for everyone. So the kid goes through another few weeks not knowing what s/he's doing wrong until this happens?
Great plan!