Cliven Bundy Fans, What Say You Now?

[Anonymous]

You said the Tea Party were racists. They are not connected with Bundy. You keep saying it anyway. Jeff says that is a Goebbels tactic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Their latest hero turns out to be a complete racist.



Who has made him a hero?

Ouch. Bundy, meet bus.


I have never defended Bundy. I have said from the beginning that he is wrong. I don't like the actions of the BLM. That has been my stand from the beginning on this.

So who should over see the federal land? How should that work? What if I want to have an open pit mine where Bundy grazes his cattle? How should that be decided?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cliven Bundy Fans, What Say You Now?

They say nothing.
What can they say?
Even under the security of anonymity no one with a shred of sense is going to open their mouth to defend this idiot's actions and ideologies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

But the Heller quote is already in print on the previous page of this thread. You can read it in about 2 seconds. Or, in your case, maybe about 10.

You cited Rand Paul above the source-not Heller.

See 9:19. I know it's hard, but TRY to keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cliven Bundy Fans, What Say You Now?

They say nothing.
What can they say?
Even under the security of anonymity no one with a shred of sense is going to open their mouth to defend this idiot's actions and ideologies.

Well, your qualifier notwithstanding:

"Rick Perry, who like Paul is considered a possible 2016 candidate, refused to distance himself from the racist rancher. “I don’t know what he said, but the fact is Clyde [sic] Bundy is a side issue here compared to what we’re looking at in the state of Texas,” Perry told CBS. “He is an individual,” continued the owner of what used to be known as “Niggerhead” ranch. “Deal with his issues as you may.”

"Radio host and the Blaze contributor Dana Loesch, for example, responded to Bundy’s comments with a shrug of her shoulders, writing, “I hope no one is surprised that an old man rancher isn’t media trained to express himself perfectly.” Loesch did grant that, “at face value,” Bundy’s comments on race were “odd and sound[ed] offensive” but she also claimed that Bundy was, essentially, correct. “He seems to be decrying what big government has done to the black family,” Loesch wrote, “which big government has negatively affected not just the black family, but all families regardless of ethnicity [.]“ Loesch then went on to argue that Bundy was a distraction and that the larger issue of government overreach was in no way made less legitimate just because its mascot turned out to be an unreconstructed bigot."

and, for good measure:

"National Review’s Kevin Williamson, who once wrote a piece praising Bundy and comparing him to Mahatma Gandhi, told Talking Points Memo that Bundy’s racism didn’t have much of an impact on his argument. “Mr. Bundy’s racial rhetoric is lamentable and backward,” Williamson wrote in an email before adding that Bundy was “separate from the fundamental question here, which is the federal government’s acting as an absentee landlord for nine-tenths of the state of Nevada.” Williamson then compared Bundy to the men who died at the Alamo..."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cliven Bundy Fans, What Say You Now?

They say nothing.
What can they say?
Even under the security of anonymity no one with a shred of sense is going to open their mouth to defend this idiot's actions and ideologies.

Well, your qualifier notwithstanding:

"Rick Perry, who like Paul is considered a possible 2016 candidate, refused to distance himself from the racist rancher. “I don’t know what he said, but the fact is Clyde [sic] Bundy is a side issue here compared to what we’re looking at in the state of Texas,” Perry told CBS. “He is an individual,” continued the owner of what used to be known as “Niggerhead” ranch. “Deal with his issues as you may.”

"Radio host and the Blaze contributor Dana Loesch, for example, responded to Bundy’s comments with a shrug of her shoulders, writing, “I hope no one is surprised that an old man rancher isn’t media trained to express himself perfectly.” Loesch did grant that, “at face value,” Bundy’s comments on race were “odd and sound[ed] offensive” but she also claimed that Bundy was, essentially, correct. “He seems to be decrying what big government has done to the black family,” Loesch wrote, “which big government has negatively affected not just the black family, but all families regardless of ethnicity [.]“ Loesch then went on to argue that Bundy was a distraction and that the larger issue of government overreach was in no way made less legitimate just because its mascot turned out to be an unreconstructed bigot."

and, for good measure:

"National Review’s Kevin Williamson, who once wrote a piece praising Bundy and comparing him to Mahatma Gandhi, told Talking Points Memo that Bundy’s racism didn’t have much of an impact on his argument. “Mr. Bundy’s racial rhetoric is lamentable and backward,” Williamson wrote in an email before adding that Bundy was “separate from the fundamental question here, which is the federal government’s acting as an absentee landlord for nine-tenths of the state of Nevada.” Williamson then compared Bundy to the men who died at the Alamo..."

Nomination for euphemism of the year award.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Rand Paul:

http://www.infowars.com/cliven-bundy-domestic-patriot/

Don't have 25 minutes to listen to that--but I'm pretty sure that Paul did not call him a domestic patriot.

Paul has stated that he gets the anger over land disputes. There is a couple in CO who paid 550K for land they purchases legally. Government took it using imminent domain. Paid them $125K. Similar is happening in TX.

Info wars is not a reliable site to get fact from.

[Anonymous]

While I don't agree with Bundy's statements, they don't negate the actions of the government's over-reaching behavior.

There have been plenty of racist statements against Caucasians and Asians on DCUM, yet I would defend those making them against government overreach

Buddy is simply not a good ambassador for the cause.

In addition, the NY Times has had issues with reporters embellishing and lying This needs to be taken into consideration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You said the Tea Party were racists. They are not connected with Bundy. You keep saying it anyway. Jeff says that is a Goebbels tactic.

Tea Party people ARE, in fact, racist.












Some rushed to embrace Bundy.

Them's the facts.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:In addition, the NY Times has had issues with reporters embellishing and lying This needs to be taken into consideration.

Take this into consideration:

[Anonymous]

Tea Partier in Congress backing Bundy:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/14/tea-party-rep-says-un-american-cattle-roundup-reminds-her-of-tiananman-square/

[Anonymous]

While I don't agree with Bundy's statements, they don't negate the actions of the government's over-reaching behavior.

In what way is the government "over-reaching"? The government is just trying to collect fees that have been past due for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While I don't agree with Bundy's statements, they don't negate the actions of the government's over-reaching behavior.

Since when is it "over-reach" to collect fees owed to the government????

[jsteele]

While Bundy may be a racist where the "Negro" is concerned, he is surprisingly supportive of undocumented residents. It appears that he even supports amnesty:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clive-bundy-the-spanish-immigrants

"Now let me talk about the Spanish people," Bundy said in a new video unearthed by New York magazine, right after he concluded his thoughts on "the Negro."

"I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders," he says. "But they're here and they're people. I worked side-by-side a lot of them. Don't tell me they don't work, and don't tell me they don't pay taxes. And don't tell me they don't have better family structures than most of us white people."

"When you see those Mexican families, they're together. They picnic together. They're spending their time together," he said. "I'll tell you, in my way of thinking, they're awful nice people. We need to have those people join us and be with us."

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:While Bundy may be a racist where the "Negro" is concerned, he is surprisingly supportive of undocumented residents. It appears that he even supports amnesty:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clive-bundy-the-spanish-immigrants

"Now let me talk about the Spanish people," Bundy said in a new video unearthed by New York magazine, right after he concluded his thoughts on "the Negro."

"I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders," he says. "But they're here and they're people. I worked side-by-side a lot of them. Don't tell me they don't work, and don't tell me they don't pay taxes. And don't tell me they don't have better family structures than most of us white people."

"When you see those Mexican families, they're together. They picnic together. They're spending their time together," he said. "I'll tell you, in my way of thinking, they're awful nice people. We need to have those people join us and be with us."

Ah, isn't he sweet.