Whom do you think was the best Confederate general?

Anonymous
Best general FOR the confederacy was McClellan.
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Anonymous wrote:Whom?


Should be "who."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's more fun to talk about the WORST general. I nominate Braxton Bragg!


Meh, I'll go with Leonidas Polk.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Stonewall Jackson or JEB Stuart. Both were brilliant.

While the reasons behind the South succeding and strating the US Civil War was wrong and morally corrupt (and it WAS slavery, not States Rights, get real people), the Confederacy had much better military leaders and enlisted men. The Confederacy lost due to the rapid industrializing of the Northern States and their greater wealth. Of course, that too was one of the reasons the South succeded, the Southern planters knew the economy of the South was completely dependent on slave labor and would rapidly become the most impoverished region of the USA without the slaves to make the agraian society successful.


JEB Stuart was responsible for the union gaining the high ground at Gettysburg which was the turning point in the war. For this alone he should have been court martial. Dozens of "atta boys" are wiped out by one "ah shit". Jackson didn't live long enough to attain greatness. He was cleaver during the Penisula Campaign exploiting McClennen's unwillingness to engage in a war of attrition. Great, game changing Generals don't get killed by friendly fire.

The north had more industry than the south, but the economy of was still primarily agrarian in the antibellum era. Cotton was the more valuable commodity it the U.S. Had the southerners been prudent they would have freed the slaves and paid them a living wage. Their expenses would have increased which they could have passed on to northern and European textile manufactures who bought their crops. By having slaves southerners ruined their families, culture, properties, and states. It ironic, but in the process of destroying themselves they did so to subsidize northern and European textile manufactures with cheaply priced cotton.

The Confederate Army was not as good as the Union Army during the Civil War. There is a simple and logical reason the Confedrates won several battles during the early stages of the war. After John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry in 1858, Southerns became convinced a full scale northern attack was imminent. They already had existing state militia units to put down potential slave revolts and believing they faced imminent attack these militia units grew into regular army units preparing for war. While the South was preparing for war the peacetime army in the north was virtually nonexistent.

When the war finally broke out in July 1961, the South had trained soldiers and they were prepared, hence the Confederates dominated the early stages of the war. So, from July 1861, the Confederates dominated over the Union Army, but after the Battle of Antietam in September 1862 the tide began to shift in favor of the Union. The Conferates won at Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville and Fair Oaks in the Spring of 1864, but after that the Union dominated every front until the end of the war.

Also, the notion that the Confederates fought gallantly again the North which won because of it's industrial might is shear nonsense and it slanders the dedicated Union soldiers who died in greater numbers attacking southern strongholds and who actually won the war.

During the las two year of the the rate southerners deserting the Confederate Army far outnumbered Union desertions.

So, sure the Conferderates got off to a pretty good start, but that's only because they had planned for it and then proked the war.
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1864 = 1863
Anonymous
JEB Stuart was responsible for the union gaining the high ground at Gettysburg which was the turning point in the war.


This is false. So is a lot more of your statement. I'll bump the thread tomorrow and answer it. Friday fun!
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Anonymous wrote:Best general FOR the confederacy was McClellan.


Not really, he built the Army of the Potomac from nothing which went on to win the war. He was a dick and a Copperhead, but he did build the war machine that ultimately won the war.
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Anonymous wrote:
JEB Stuart was responsible for the union gaining the high ground at Gettysburg which was the turning point in the war.


This is false. So is a lot more of your statement. I'll bump the thread tomorrow and answer it. Friday fun!


Stuart was out looking for shoes and pillage when he should have been doing Recon looking for the Army of of the Potomac. When he showed up on the second day at Gettysburg he said, "Ah shit! How'd I miss those guys".
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JEB Stuart was responsible for the union gaining the high ground at Gettysburg which was the turning point in the war.


This is false. So is a lot more of your statement. I'll bump the thread tomorrow and answer it. Friday fun!


Stuart was out looking for shoes and pillage when he should have been doing Recon looking for the Army of of the Potomac. When he showed up on the second day at Gettysburg he said, "Ah shit! How'd I miss those guys".


So not true. This is the equivalent of reading US Weekly and calling it fact. Trash talk of the era that was false. Lee's orders were extremely vague and Stuart did the best one could under the circumstances.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Other than Robert E Lee...


A real Gentleman.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Other than Robert E Lee...


A real Gentleman.


Fuck that.

"The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

He felt that slavery was more 'harmful' to the white man than the blacks that were actually under chains. He owned a few slaves.

While he wasn't a slave trader or owned tons of them as a deep south plantation owner, he felt that somehow god ordained them to be slaves. that's fucked up.

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Best general FOR the confederacy was McClellan.


Not really, he built the Army of the Potomac from nothing which went on to win the war. He was a dick and a Copperhead, but he did build the war machine that ultimately won the war.

He failed to engage the rebels on numerous occasions and opportunities, and was ultimately relieved of command. The North could have ended the war sooner if he would have acted.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Best general FOR the confederacy was McClellan.


Not really, he built the Army of the Potomac from nothing which went on to win the war. He was a dick and a Copperhead, but he did build the war machine that ultimately won the war.

He failed to engage the rebels on numerous occasions and opportunities, and was ultimately relieved of command. The North could have ended the war sooner if he would have acted.


Not really, his army was green and the universal battlefield strategy of the era taught at West Point was penned by Clauswitz who said armies should engage almost exclusively in flanking maneuvers giving ground rather than fight battles of attrition. Grant was the anomaly of the era ... not McClennan. McClennan built the army which Grant used to win the war.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JEB Stuart was responsible for the union gaining the high ground at Gettysburg which was the turning point in the war.


This is false. So is a lot more of your statement. I'll bump the thread tomorrow and answer it. Friday fun!


Stuart was out looking for shoes and pillage when he should have been doing Recon looking for the Army of of the Potomac. When he showed up on the second day at Gettysburg he said, "Ah shit! How'd I miss those guys".


So not true. This is the equivalent of reading US Weekly and calling it fact. Trash talk of the era that was false. Lee's orders were extremely vague and Stuart did the best one could under the circumstances.


The era of Calvary charges had ended with the advent of rifles. Calvaries were relegated to reconnaissance. Vague instructions or not, where was JEB Stuart until July 2nd. How did he happen to miss the Union Calvary followed by army of 50k soldiers?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Other than Robert E Lee...


A real Gentleman.


Fuck that.

"The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

He felt that slavery was more 'harmful' to the white man than the blacks that were actually under chains. He owned a few slaves.

While he wasn't a slave trader or owned tons of them as a deep south plantation owner, he felt that somehow god ordained them to be slaves. that's fucked up.



While Lee did hold a lukewarm disapproval of slavery, he was not entirely pro-slavery either.

Regarding his character, he is both revered and respected by many.
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