Whom do you think was the best Confederate general?

[Anonymous]

all great generals are war criminals if they lose. atrocities were committed by Caesar, Napolean, Khan, all of them ...

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think of Nathan Bedford Forrest?

He was a war criminal. He gave the orders to murder POWs at the Fort Pillow Massacre.

There is not a shread of evidence that he gave any such order. Of course, as commander of the attacking force, he does bear responsibility.

Okay, I'll play along with your "you can't prove it" game. The battle had ended and he gave the order to shoot and kill his POWs. Nathan Bedford Forest was a war criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Robert E Lee...

A real Gentleman.

Fuck that.

"The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

He felt that slavery was more 'harmful' to the white man than the blacks that were actually under chains. He owned a few slaves.

While he wasn't a slave trader or owned tons of them as a deep south plantation owner, he felt that somehow god ordained them to be slaves. that's fucked up.

While Lee did hold a lukewarm disapproval of slavery, he was not entirely pro-slavery either.

Regarding his character, he is both revered and respected by many.

when you think slavery was ordained by god, slaves benefit from being slaves (a line of thinking many like cliven bundy share to this day), and that only god has the answer to when they will be free....

that isn't lukewarm disapproval.

that isn't good character.

you are an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than Robert E Lee...

A real Gentleman.

Fuck that.

"The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

He felt that slavery was more 'harmful' to the white man than the blacks that were actually under chains. He owned a few slaves.

While he wasn't a slave trader or owned tons of them as a deep south plantation owner, he felt that somehow god ordained them to be slaves. that's fucked up.

While Lee did hold a lukewarm disapproval of slavery, he was not entirely pro-slavery either.

Regarding his character, he is both revered and respected by many.

when you think slavery was ordained by god, slaves benefit from being slaves (a line of thinking many like cliven bundy share to this day), and that only god has the answer to when they will be free....

that isn't lukewarm disapproval.

that isn't good character.

you are an idiot.

NP. You need to realize the circumstances of the time. I've been to Africa. It's a big continent. Many places are shitholes. There is much genocode. Africans sold Africans into slavery. So, his statement that they were better off is not too far from the truth. He was also raised to believe that slavery was normal. Slaves existed in the bible and it is not condemned.
I am not racist or in favor of slavery. But you have to put things in historical perspective to understand.

[Anonymous]

Stonewall Jackson

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than Robert E Lee...

A real Gentleman.

Fuck that.

"The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

He felt that slavery was more 'harmful' to the white man than the blacks that were actually under chains. He owned a few slaves.

While he wasn't a slave trader or owned tons of them as a deep south plantation owner, he felt that somehow god ordained them to be slaves. that's fucked up.

While Lee did hold a lukewarm disapproval of slavery, he was not entirely pro-slavery either.

Regarding his character, he is both revered and respected by many.

when you think slavery was ordained by god, slaves benefit from being slaves (a line of thinking many like cliven bundy share to this day), and that only god has the answer to when they will be free....

that isn't lukewarm disapproval.

that isn't good character.

you are an idiot.

NP. You need to realize the circumstances of the time. I've been to Africa. It's a big continent. Many places are shitholes. There is much genocode. Africans sold Africans into slavery. So, his statement that they were better off is not too far from the truth. He was also raised to believe that slavery was normal. Slaves existed in the bible and it is not condemned.
I am not racist or in favor of slavery. But you have to put things in historical perspective to understand.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than Robert E Lee...

A real Gentleman.

Fuck that.

"The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

He felt that slavery was more 'harmful' to the white man than the blacks that were actually under chains. He owned a few slaves.

While he wasn't a slave trader or owned tons of them as a deep south plantation owner, he felt that somehow god ordained them to be slaves. that's fucked up.

While Lee did hold a lukewarm disapproval of slavery, he was not entirely pro-slavery either.

Regarding his character, he is both revered and respected by many.

when you think slavery was ordained by god, slaves benefit from being slaves (a line of thinking many like cliven bundy share to this day), and that only god has the answer to when they will be free....

that isn't lukewarm disapproval.

that isn't good character.

you are an idiot.

Maybe you should read some biographies or watch a PBS special for enlightenment on why people revere him for his character. Like it or not, from a military standpoint he inspired many and was well liked and many were devoted to him.

So stop trying to push the slave issue as it does not define the man's military prowess. Oh, and study "Slavery in the Abstract" while you're at it to get a better grasp of the passage you quoted from. Happy reading!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than Robert E Lee...

A real Gentleman.

Fuck that.

"The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence."

He felt that slavery was more 'harmful' to the white man than the blacks that were actually under chains. He owned a few slaves.

While he wasn't a slave trader or owned tons of them as a deep south plantation owner, he felt that somehow god ordained them to be slaves. that's fucked up.

While Lee did hold a lukewarm disapproval of slavery, he was not entirely pro-slavery either.

Regarding his character, he is both revered and respected by many.

when you think slavery was ordained by god, slaves benefit from being slaves (a line of thinking many like cliven bundy share to this day), and that only god has the answer to when they will be free....

that isn't lukewarm disapproval.

that isn't good character.

you are an idiot.

NP. You need to realize the circumstances of the time. I've been to Africa. It's a big continent. Many places are shitholes. There is much genocode. Africans sold Africans into slavery. So, his statement that they were better off is not too far from the truth. He was also raised to believe that slavery was normal. Slaves existed in the bible and it is not condemned.
I am not racist or in favor of slavery. But you have to put things in historical perspective to understand.

Ah yes, the historical perspective. So were the abolitionists just ahead of their times? Is this akin to the premature anti-fascists of the 1930s? Only acceptable to oppose Hitler and Franco after the annexation of Sudetenland?

[Anonymous]

Okay, I'll play along with your "you can't prove it" game. The battle had ended and he gave the order to shoot and kill his POWs. Nathan Bedford Forest was a war criminal.

There's no evidence he gave such an order. That you say "the battle had ended" demonstrates you know nothing about what happened at Ft. Pillow. I am not a "Forest" (sic) fan nor an apologist for him. But he fought for years and there is no other comparable event to his record. Suggest you read about him and his war record. Maybe, you'll learn something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need to realize the circumstances of the time. I've been to Africa. It's a big continent. Many places are shitholes. There is much genocode. Africans sold Africans into slavery. So, his statement that they were better off is not too far from the truth. He was also raised to believe that slavery was normal. Slaves existed in the bible and it is not condemned.
I am not racist or in favor of slavery. But you have to put things in historical perspective to understand[/b].

+1000

Agreed. It's not immoral if everybody's doing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to realize the circumstances of the time. I've been to Africa. It's a big continent. Many places are shitholes. There is much genocode. Africans sold Africans into slavery. So, his statement that they were better off is not too far from the truth. He was also raised to believe that slavery was normal. Slaves existed in the bible and it is not condemned.
I am not racist or in favor of slavery. But you have to put things in historical perspective to understand[/b].

+1000

Agreed. It's not immoral if everybody's doing it.

so Cicero and Virgil and Plato and Socrates and Caesar were all evil men who owned slaves? actually, maybe Plato WAS a slave, not sure. there were slaves in China for hundreds of years. obviously there were slaves in Egypt. most every older society had slavery. South America and the Caribbean got 10X the number of African slaves as present-day USA. it sucks, it was horrible. no doubt.

[Anonymous]

Wow. I couldn't name one confederate general if you held a gun to my head.

[Anonymous]

I vote Colonel Angus:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a7a_1349546320

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. I couldn't name one confederate general if you held a gun to my head.

What's to know?

They were all traitors and losers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

While Lee did hold a lukewarm disapproval of slavery, he was not entirely pro-slavery either.

Regarding his character, he is both revered and respected by many.

when you think slavery was ordained by god, slaves benefit from being slaves (a line of thinking many like cliven bundy share to this day), and that only god has the answer to when they will be free....

that isn't lukewarm disapproval.

that isn't good character.

you are an idiot.

NP. You need to realize the circumstances of the time. I've been to Africa. It's a big continent. Many places are shitholes. There is much genocode. Africans sold Africans into slavery. So, his statement that they were better off is not too far from the truth. He was also raised to believe that slavery was normal. Slaves existed in the bible and it is not condemned.
I am not racist or in favor of slavery. But you have to put things in historical perspective to understand.

Ah yes, the historical perspective. So were the abolitionists just ahead of their times? Is this akin to the premature anti-fascists of the 1930s? Only acceptable to oppose Hitler and Franco after the annexation of Sudetenland?

Most abolitionists came from the north - where there were no skaves. Northern a did not grow up seeing slavery as normal. It was easy for them to see the evil in it. If you were born in the south, from birth you were indoctrinated into slavery being normal.
Hitler murdering Jews is quite different.