MLS Next Quality of Play scores make no sense

[Anonymous]

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Philly Union (16 goals allowed) has a worse defensive QoP than Achilles (70 goals allowed).

Any model that says that Achilles has a better defensive quality of play than Philly Union is wrong.

The model endorsed by MLS says so. And in reality, that's all that matters. Please sit down.

The reality is Phili Union has an attack score of almost 90. They pour on the points and they lots of games because of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

There's no database of DMV players born and raised in the area, when they started playing soccer, their U-littles foundation to development clubs, their outside club private training and their signed contracts to European clubs

So not sure what research someone is supposed to do

Let's also be clear, after a certain age, a lot of consistent losses, especially lopsided, is telling that the coaching isn't great and the smaller pieces of technical, tactical and mental aren't being taught to elevate and work together

The best academies in the world that produces professional players like Barcelona, Ajax, Real Madrid, PSG etc wins majority of their games
So drop the nonsense that winning affects development and doesn't produce Pros

1) Correct. No official database. I guess this means I have inside information I was not aware of.
2) Correct again for the most part post-puberty. However, linking back to 1, it appears that coaching has much more to do with those in European versus being on a winning team
3) I think you are confusing correlation and causation. If you knew how those European systems were set up, you probably would not have this opinion.

Nevertheless, despite the plethora of talent the DMV and the US has, people are going to continue to defend mediocrity. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

PP said a plain and simple fact that the top academies in the world who produce the most professionals consistently also win majority of their games.

What are they confused about?

If that is what you are going to reduce their response to and his intent then I can’t help you. You go it all figured out. Enjoy manipulating Taka.

Two final tips for those who don’t have it figured out:

1) Please learn how to create a IDP and choose a club/coach who can help you get to your child’s next steps in their IDP.

2) Please save at least dollar for dollar the money you spend on MLS Cup, private training, club fees, etc. in a 529 plan, CESA or a Custodial Roth IRA.

God bless and enjoy Passover!

What does Taka, 529, Roth IRA etc have to do with the fact that the best youth soccer academies in the world also wins lots of games?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is an app called Rankings in the app store that takes more into account the wins. For example, U14 Baltimore Armour is ranked Team #27, Offense #56 and Defense #16 in the nation. #1 in the state. Alexandria #50, SYC #28 amd Bethesda #77.

I get the argument for Quality of Play. It makes sense. Nothing beats watching a team play beautifully with ball possession, creating space, building up, and winning just comes naturally as a result. Just look at Belgium and how they crushed us in the friendly game. We looked like a third division team from the Bundesliga. Yes, unfortunately or fortunately we need Quality of Play (lots of it in youth) in our country if we expect to develop world class players.

Rankings app is useless for MLSNext teams during U13 & U14. They don't take into consideration QOP and it doesn't take into account strength of schedule.

[Anonymous]

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Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning

I care about qualifying for the MLS Cup because my child has maybe 5 more years where we will travel and enjoy soccer as a family. The MLS Cup is a chance to play the best teams from around the country and compete for a national championship. My child is competitive and dreams of playing against LA Galaxy, Inter Miami, Red Bulls. It is fun and it is a goal to work for during the season. Most kids will not remember the game in April where they lost against PA Classics but they had a nice control of the midfield and a string of 15 passes. They will remember the time they played and maybe beat LA Galaxy.

The MLS Cup has no meaning to you. That's fine. Competing for a national championship has meaning for many of us.

Absolutely. MLSNext and their events thrive on most parents knowing that these are it for their players. The peak memories.

LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning

I care about qualifying for the MLS Cup because my child has maybe 5 more years where we will travel and enjoy soccer as a family. The MLS Cup is a chance to play the best teams from around the country and compete for a national championship. My child is competitive and dreams of playing against LA Galaxy, Inter Miami, Red Bulls. It is fun and it is a goal to work for during the season. Most kids will not remember the game in April where they lost against PA Classics but they had a nice control of the midfield and a string of 15 passes. They will remember the time they played and maybe beat LA Galaxy.

The MLS Cup has no meaning to you. That's fine. Competing for a national championship has meaning for many of us.

WAAAAAAAH! QOP ends after U14. You'll have 4 more years to get your shot, ICEMAN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning

I care about qualifying for the MLS Cup because my child has maybe 5 more years where we will travel and enjoy soccer as a family. The MLS Cup is a chance to play the best teams from around the country and compete for a national championship. My child is competitive and dreams of playing against LA Galaxy, Inter Miami, Red Bulls. It is fun and it is a goal to work for during the season. Most kids will not remember the game in April where they lost against PA Classics but they had a nice control of the midfield and a string of 15 passes. They will remember the time they played and maybe beat LA Galaxy.

The MLS Cup has no meaning to you. That's fine. Competing for a national championship has meaning for many of us.

WAAAAAAAH! QOP ends after U14. You'll have 4 more years to get your shot, ICEMAN.

Are you a child?

[Anonymous]

Quality of Play really doesn't like Armour for some reason. Their U13 team is second in points and goals scored, just behind Philly Union, but they are 6th in QoP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

There's no database of DMV players born and raised in the area, when they started playing soccer, their U-littles foundation to development clubs, their outside club private training and their signed contracts to European clubs

So not sure what research someone is supposed to do

Let's also be clear, after a certain age, a lot of consistent losses, especially lopsided, is telling that the coaching isn't great and the smaller pieces of technical, tactical and mental aren't being taught to elevate and work together

The best academies in the world that produces professional players like Barcelona, Ajax, Real Madrid, PSG etc wins majority of their games
So drop the nonsense that winning affects development and doesn't produce Pros

1) Correct. No official database. I guess this means I have inside information I was not aware of.
2) Correct again for the most part post-puberty. However, linking back to 1, it appears that coaching has much more to do with those in European versus being on a winning team
3) I think you are confusing correlation and causation. If you knew how those European systems were set up, you probably would not have this opinion.

Nevertheless, despite the plethora of talent the DMV and the US has, people are going to continue to defend mediocrity. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

PP said a plain and simple fact that the top academies in the world who produce the most professionals consistently also win majority of their games.

What are they confused about?

If that is what you are going to reduce their response to and his intent then I can’t help you. You go it all figured out. Enjoy manipulating Taka.

Two final tips for those who don’t have it figured out:

1) Please learn how to create a IDP and choose a club/coach who can help you get to your child’s next steps in their IDP.

2) Please save at least dollar for dollar the money you spend on MLS Cup, private training, club fees, etc. in a 529 plan, CESA or a Custodial Roth IRA.

God bless and enjoy Passover!

What does Taka, 529, Roth IRA etc have to do with the fact that the best youth soccer academies in the world also wins lots of games?

I imagine because you will whine about not getting a D1 scholarship after all of this work you are putting into the wrong aspects of your kids development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

There's no database of DMV players born and raised in the area, when they started playing soccer, their U-littles foundation to development clubs, their outside club private training and their signed contracts to European clubs

So not sure what research someone is supposed to do

Let's also be clear, after a certain age, a lot of consistent losses, especially lopsided, is telling that the coaching isn't great and the smaller pieces of technical, tactical and mental aren't being taught to elevate and work together

The best academies in the world that produces professional players like Barcelona, Ajax, Real Madrid, PSG etc wins majority of their games
So drop the nonsense that winning affects development and doesn't produce Pros

1) Correct. No official database. I guess this means I have inside information I was not aware of.
2) Correct again for the most part post-puberty. However, linking back to 1, it appears that coaching has much more to do with those in European versus being on a winning team
3) I think you are confusing correlation and causation. If you knew how those European systems were set up, you probably would not have this opinion.

Nevertheless, despite the plethora of talent the DMV and the US has, people are going to continue to defend mediocrity. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

PP said a plain and simple fact that the top academies in the world who produce the most professionals consistently also win majority of their games.

What are they confused about?

If that is what you are going to reduce their response to and his intent then I can’t help you. You go it all figured out. Enjoy manipulating Taka.

Two final tips for those who don’t have it figured out:

1) Please learn how to create a IDP and choose a club/coach who can help you get to your child’s next steps in their IDP.

2) Please save at least dollar for dollar the money you spend on MLS Cup, private training, club fees, etc. in a 529 plan, CESA or a Custodial Roth IRA.

God bless and enjoy Passover!

What does Taka, 529, Roth IRA etc have to do with the fact that the best youth soccer academies in the world also wins lots of games?

I imagine because you will whine about not getting a D1 scholarship after all of this work you are putting into the wrong aspects of your kids development.

The beauty and entertainment of anonymous forums

Give financial advice to someone of whom you have no idea of their net worth nor income

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

There's no database of DMV players born and raised in the area, when they started playing soccer, their U-littles foundation to development clubs, their outside club private training and their signed contracts to European clubs

So not sure what research someone is supposed to do

Let's also be clear, after a certain age, a lot of consistent losses, especially lopsided, is telling that the coaching isn't great and the smaller pieces of technical, tactical and mental aren't being taught to elevate and work together

The best academies in the world that produces professional players like Barcelona, Ajax, Real Madrid, PSG etc wins majority of their games
So drop the nonsense that winning affects development and doesn't produce Pros

1) Correct. No official database. I guess this means I have inside information I was not aware of.
2) Correct again for the most part post-puberty. However, linking back to 1, it appears that coaching has much more to do with those in European versus being on a winning team
3) I think you are confusing correlation and causation. If you knew how those European systems were set up, you probably would not have this opinion.

Nevertheless, despite the plethora of talent the DMV and the US has, people are going to continue to defend mediocrity. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

PP said a plain and simple fact that the top academies in the world who produce the most professionals consistently also win majority of their games.

What are they confused about?

If that is what you are going to reduce their response to and his intent then I can’t help you. You go it all figured out. Enjoy manipulating Taka.

Two final tips for those who don’t have it figured out:

1) Please learn how to create a IDP and choose a club/coach who can help you get to your child’s next steps in their IDP.

2) Please save at least dollar for dollar the money you spend on MLS Cup, private training, club fees, etc. in a 529 plan, CESA or a Custodial Roth IRA.

God bless and enjoy Passover!

What does Taka, 529, Roth IRA etc have to do with the fact that the best youth soccer academies in the world also wins lots of games?

I imagine because you will whine about not getting a D1 scholarship after all of this work you are putting into the wrong aspects of your kids development.

What does D1 and their kid's development have to do with the fact that the best youth academies wins games as well as produces pros?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Taka's quality of play scores lately seem to have little to no correlation with game results. Does anyone actually understand how they calculate their scores?

For example: in the U14 division, Alexandria has 38 points in 19 games, they have 3 losses and 1 tie in their last 4 games and yet they have gone up in QoP to #2 in the division. Baltimore Armour has 45 points in 18 games, they've won their last 7 games and they're 9th in QoP.

Philly Union (16 goals allowed) has a worse defensive QoP than Achilles (70 goals allowed). The team with the fewest goals allowed (Armour, 9 goals in 18 games) is 5th in defensive QoP.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWhAqEuCE0n/?igsh=MW13aGNhbzh4NWJ4Zg==

Learn about the game and you will know when kids are playing well and executing game actions that translate to a higher level. Taka is a pacifier to American parents trying to get you to STFU and learn the game and how development happens. They knew if they pulled the rankings and scoreboards, parents would lose their 💩

Grow up or go to lacrosse and keep score.

One entire game worth of clips on Taka for my DS shows an entirely different player (our striker) than my son (defender) because Im guessing they confused jersey numbers that don't even have common numbers. If that's a sign of the accuracy of QoP then it's worthless.

Errors happen, Richard Cranium. You know you can email them and they are very good at correcting errors.

[Anonymous]

As a coach with experience at a higher level of youth soccer both Europe and the U.S., I can tell you that the MLS NEXT "Quality of Play" system misses the mark on player development.
The biggest issue is that "quality" is entirely subjective. Instead of over-analyzing tactical patterns through a screen, we should be prioritizing individual creativity—which is ultimately the coach’s responsibility to foster. If we want better players, we should be evaluating the coaches themselves during training and matches to see if they are actually teaching and allowing kids to take risks. Rewarding teams that lose simply because they checked certain tactical boxes feels completely disconnected from the competitive nature of the sport.

We also need to fix how we handle the foundational years. In many top European countries, U8–U11 leagues use a "twin game" format: 5v5 on small pitches with no offsides, flying substitutions, dribble ins and multiple balls ready to use. This setup ensures every child gets maximum touches and constant success in 4x20 minute intervals. In the U.S., young players spend half the game standing around waiting for referees or formal substitutions. If we want to develop world-class talent, we need to stop over-engineering the standings and start maximizing time on the ball during the ages it matters most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a coach with experience at a higher level of youth soccer both Europe and the U.S., I can tell you that the MLS NEXT "Quality of Play" system misses the mark on player development.
The biggest issue is that "quality" is entirely subjective. Instead of over-analyzing tactical patterns through a screen, we should be prioritizing individual creativity—which is ultimately the coach’s responsibility to foster. If we want better players, we should be evaluating the coaches themselves during training and matches to see if they are actually teaching and allowing kids to take risks. Rewarding teams that lose simply because they checked certain tactical boxes feels completely disconnected from the competitive nature of the sport.

We also need to fix how we handle the foundational years. In many top European countries, U8–U11 leagues use a "twin game" format: 5v5 on small pitches with no offsides, flying substitutions, dribble ins and multiple balls ready to use. This setup ensures every child gets maximum touches and constant success in 4x20 minute intervals. In the U.S., young players spend half the game standing around waiting for referees or formal substitutions. If we want to develop world-class talent, we need to stop over-engineering the standings and start maximizing time on the ball during the ages it matters most.

Isn’t Q of P based in individual scores, including creativity and pass completion, etc.? At least in large part? I mean that’s the one of the main ways losing teams still can do well because they at least have a few outstanding players.

But I do agree with you regarding maximizing games and esp training to maximize touches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a coach with experience at a higher level of youth soccer both Europe and the U.S., I can tell you that the MLS NEXT "Quality of Play" system misses the mark on player development.
The biggest issue is that "quality" is entirely subjective. Instead of over-analyzing tactical patterns through a screen, we should be prioritizing individual creativity—which is ultimately the coach’s responsibility to foster. If we want better players, we should be evaluating the coaches themselves during training and matches to see if they are actually teaching and allowing kids to take risks. Rewarding teams that lose simply because they checked certain tactical boxes feels completely disconnected from the competitive nature of the sport.

We also need to fix how we handle the foundational years. In many top European countries, U8–U11 leagues use a "twin game" format: 5v5 on small pitches with no offsides, flying substitutions, dribble ins and multiple balls ready to use. This setup ensures every child gets maximum touches and constant success in 4x20 minute intervals. In the U.S., young players spend half the game standing around waiting for referees or formal substitutions. If we want to develop world-class talent, we need to stop over-engineering the standings and start maximizing time on the ball during the ages it matters most.

A sane response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quality of Play really doesn't like Armour for some reason. Their U13 team is second in points and goals scored, just behind Philly Union, but they are 6th in QoP.

That's probably because they kick past the mids to an over sized set of strikers who use brute force and over power normal sized kids to score.

SYC has several 6 ft + strikers at 2012, Arlington has one. It's the same formula.