MLS Next Quality of Play scores make no sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing like a discussion over a system, process and technology when less the 1% of the participants understand how it all works

Isn't that what we do on DCUM? Discuss things as experts when we actually have no idea?

[Anonymous]

In summary, if you don't believe in Taka you are a dumb American. Taka is right because they are European. It is wrong to question their model because they know what they're doing. If Taka's model says that Achilles plays better defense than Philly Union, they must be right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

There's no database of DMV players born and raised in the area, when they started playing soccer, their U-littles foundation to development clubs, their outside club private training and their signed contracts to European clubs

So not sure what research someone is supposed to do

Let's also be clear, after a certain age, a lot of consistent losses, especially lopsided, is telling that the coaching isn't great and the smaller pieces of technical, tactical and mental aren't being taught to elevate and work together

The best academies in the world that produces professional players like Barcelona, Ajax, Real Madrid, PSG etc wins majority of their games
So drop the nonsense that winning affects development and doesn't produce Pros

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning

I care about qualifying for the MLS Cup because my child has maybe 5 more years where we will travel and enjoy soccer as a family. The MLS Cup is a chance to play the best teams from around the country and compete for a national championship. My child is competitive and dreams of playing against LA Galaxy, Inter Miami, Red Bulls. It is fun and it is a goal to work for during the season. Most kids will not remember the game in April where they lost against PA Classics but they had a nice control of the midfield and a string of 15 passes. They will remember the time they played and maybe beat LA Galaxy.

The MLS Cup has no meaning to you. That's fine. Competing for a national championship has meaning for many of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning

I care about qualifying for the MLS Cup because my child has maybe 5 more years where we will travel and enjoy soccer as a family. The MLS Cup is a chance to play the best teams from around the country and compete for a national championship. My child is competitive and dreams of playing against LA Galaxy, Inter Miami, Red Bulls. It is fun and it is a goal to work for during the season. Most kids will not remember the game in April where they lost against PA Classics but they had a nice control of the midfield and a string of 15 passes. They will remember the time they played and maybe beat LA Galaxy.

The MLS Cup has no meaning to you. That's fine. Competing for a national championship has meaning for many of us.

Absolutely. MLSNext and their events thrive on most parents knowing that these are it for their players. The peak memories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning

I care about qualifying for the MLS Cup because my child has maybe 5 more years where we will travel and enjoy soccer as a family. The MLS Cup is a chance to play the best teams from around the country and compete for a national championship. My child is competitive and dreams of playing against LA Galaxy, Inter Miami, Red Bulls. It is fun and it is a goal to work for during the season. Most kids will not remember the game in April where they lost against PA Classics but they had a nice control of the midfield and a string of 15 passes. They will remember the time they played and maybe beat LA Galaxy.

The MLS Cup has no meaning to you. That's fine. Competing for a national championship has meaning for many of us.

Great response 🙌

[Anonymous]

The armour u14 team that you speak of looks to be 3rd in the country for least GA/match out of 135 teams. And they have the 3rd highest clean sheets in the country. For a team that recently beat syc- national champs, they are in the bottom for qualifying for nationals and will be playing in the bottom bracket as is.

For a tournament, it makes no sense because what team wants to pay $3k pp to travel and get blown out by Philly union 10-2 only because their qop was high.


https://league.northleft.com/standings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taka's quality of play scores lately seem to have little to no correlation with game results. Does anyone actually understand how they calculate their scores?

For example: in the U14 division, Alexandria has 38 points in 19 games, they have 3 losses and 1 tie in their last 4 games and yet they have gone up in QoP to #2 in the division. Baltimore Armour has 45 points in 18 games, they've won their last 7 games and they're 9th in QoP.

Philly Union (16 goals allowed) has a worse defensive QoP than Achilles (70 goals allowed). The team with the fewest goals allowed (Armour, 9 goals in 18 games) is 5th in defensive QoP.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWhAqEuCE0n/?igsh=MW13aGNhbzh4NWJ4Zg==

Learn about the game and you will know when kids are playing well and executing game actions that translate to a higher level. Taka is a pacifier to American parents trying to get you to STFU and learn the game and how development happens. They knew if they pulled the rankings and scoreboards, parents would lose their 💩

Grow up or go to lacrosse and keep score.

One entire game worth of clips on Taka for my DS shows an entirely different player (our striker) than my son (defender) because Im guessing they confused jersey numbers that don't even have common numbers. If that's a sign of the accuracy of QoP then it's worthless.

[Anonymous]

Did you see our friendly game against Portugal? I did and like I posted earlier, we look like a third division team.

The issue we have at home, our academy coaches and scouts are to blame for this, they look for very athletic muscular tall players and think that is the model player and key to winning. They think muscle will prevail.

Portugal players didn't look huge or like an American football player playing soccer. It was all technique, quick thinking and smarts. Bruno Fernandez with the backheel pass was simple, effective and soccer intelligence our youth players are lacking.

We need QofP on all levels of youth soccer not just MLS Next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

There's no database of DMV players born and raised in the area, when they started playing soccer, their U-littles foundation to development clubs, their outside club private training and their signed contracts to European clubs

So not sure what research someone is supposed to do

Let's also be clear, after a certain age, a lot of consistent losses, especially lopsided, is telling that the coaching isn't great and the smaller pieces of technical, tactical and mental aren't being taught to elevate and work together

The best academies in the world that produces professional players like Barcelona, Ajax, Real Madrid, PSG etc wins majority of their games
So drop the nonsense that winning affects development and doesn't produce Pros

1) Correct. No official database. I guess this means I have inside information I was not aware of.
2) Correct again for the most part post-puberty. However, linking back to 1, it appears that coaching has much more to do with those in European versus being on a winning team
3) I think you are confusing correlation and causation. If you knew how those European systems were set up, you probably would not have this opinion.

Nevertheless, despite the plethora of talent the DMV and the US has, people are going to continue to defend mediocrity. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you see our friendly game against Portugal? I did and like I posted earlier, we look like a third division team.

The issue we have at home, our academy coaches and scouts are to blame for this, they look for very athletic muscular tall players and think that is the model player and key to winning. They think muscle will prevail.

Portugal players didn't look huge or like an American football player playing soccer. It was all technique, quick thinking and smarts. Bruno Fernandez with the backheel pass was simple, effective and soccer intelligence our youth players are lacking.

We need QofP on all levels of youth soccer not just MLS Next.

This thing about the USA having a monopoly on selecting early bloomers and big kids for academies is fake news constantly repeated

Just look at videos and pictures of all the international academies at the Generation Adidas Cup happening now.
Same size average

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

There's no database of DMV players born and raised in the area, when they started playing soccer, their U-littles foundation to development clubs, their outside club private training and their signed contracts to European clubs

So not sure what research someone is supposed to do

Let's also be clear, after a certain age, a lot of consistent losses, especially lopsided, is telling that the coaching isn't great and the smaller pieces of technical, tactical and mental aren't being taught to elevate and work together

The best academies in the world that produces professional players like Barcelona, Ajax, Real Madrid, PSG etc wins majority of their games
So drop the nonsense that winning affects development and doesn't produce Pros

1) Correct. No official database. I guess this means I have inside information I was not aware of.
2) Correct again for the most part post-puberty. However, linking back to 1, it appears that coaching has much more to do with those in European versus being on a winning team
3) I think you are confusing correlation and causation. If you knew how those European systems were set up, you probably would not have this opinion.

Nevertheless, despite the plethora of talent the DMV and the US has, people are going to continue to defend mediocrity. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

Okay Mr Insider Information and keeper of all the DMV soccer archives going back centuries. We'll just accept whatever you say, because you said it lol

Please, enlighten us with specific details from your first hand knowledge based off your years of personal time spent at a European Category 1 for you and your kids plus your extensive contacts list of academy executives and coaches in Europe.
Tell us how European academy systems are setup?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

There's no database of DMV players born and raised in the area, when they started playing soccer, their U-littles foundation to development clubs, their outside club private training and their signed contracts to European clubs

So not sure what research someone is supposed to do

Let's also be clear, after a certain age, a lot of consistent losses, especially lopsided, is telling that the coaching isn't great and the smaller pieces of technical, tactical and mental aren't being taught to elevate and work together

The best academies in the world that produces professional players like Barcelona, Ajax, Real Madrid, PSG etc wins majority of their games
So drop the nonsense that winning affects development and doesn't produce Pros

1) Correct. No official database. I guess this means I have inside information I was not aware of.
2) Correct again for the most part post-puberty. However, linking back to 1, it appears that coaching has much more to do with those in European versus being on a winning team
3) I think you are confusing correlation and causation. If you knew how those European systems were set up, you probably would not have this opinion.

Nevertheless, despite the plethora of talent the DMV and the US has, people are going to continue to defend mediocrity. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

PP said a plain and simple fact that the top academies in the world who produce the most professionals consistently also win majority of their games.

What are they confused about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except there is still winning and losing- the winners of the QOP scoring advance to MLS Next Cup. But nobody is really quite sure what they are actually being scored on. Hence OP's original question.

Why do you care about advancing to the MLS Cup? A MLS Cup does not have any meaning to me. The desire for that end result is a focus on winning.

I really recommend folks who don’t understand either: 1) Take a trip across the pond and interview 3-5 youth coaches; 2) Talk to a psychologist or someone who can explain the inferiority complex that you can’t see that comes out in your desire to always win.

My kid wants to win at everything which is natural. I know how to keep that desire to just the current focus which is practice, scrimmage and game. Beyond that, a focus on short-term winning takes away from ingraining the habits that create professional winners.

For example, our team lost a game recently. I was ecstatic at my son’s performance because he controlled the midfield with great first touch and used several turns we worked on over the winter. The other team resorted to long-ball over the top with 1 big athlete and came back on us and won. You would have be stressed over that and screaming at your son on the car ride home about XYZ. I had the biggest smile on my face when my kid approached as he knew he balled his ( | ) off and executed difficult skills under pressure.

We have a lot of talent in this area. Stop wasting the talent by learning what is important in your kids development and stop focusing on the scoreboard and charts.

One club in this area focuses on natties and winning. One club focuses on development and loses more than they win. Two opposite approaches. Do the research and see which one has more players playing in Europe.

There's no database of DMV players born and raised in the area, when they started playing soccer, their U-littles foundation to development clubs, their outside club private training and their signed contracts to European clubs

So not sure what research someone is supposed to do

Let's also be clear, after a certain age, a lot of consistent losses, especially lopsided, is telling that the coaching isn't great and the smaller pieces of technical, tactical and mental aren't being taught to elevate and work together

The best academies in the world that produces professional players like Barcelona, Ajax, Real Madrid, PSG etc wins majority of their games
So drop the nonsense that winning affects development and doesn't produce Pros

1) Correct. No official database. I guess this means I have inside information I was not aware of.
2) Correct again for the most part post-puberty. However, linking back to 1, it appears that coaching has much more to do with those in European versus being on a winning team
3) I think you are confusing correlation and causation. If you knew how those European systems were set up, you probably would not have this opinion.

Nevertheless, despite the plethora of talent the DMV and the US has, people are going to continue to defend mediocrity. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

PP said a plain and simple fact that the top academies in the world who produce the most professionals consistently also win majority of their games.

What are they confused about?

If that is what you are going to reduce their response to and his intent then I can’t help you. You go it all figured out. Enjoy manipulating Taka.

Two final tips for those who don’t have it figured out:

1) Please learn how to create a IDP and choose a club/coach who can help you get to your child’s next steps in their IDP.

2) Please save at least dollar for dollar the money you spend on MLS Cup, private training, club fees, etc. in a 529 plan, CESA or a Custodial Roth IRA.

God bless and enjoy Passover!