Air superiority =/= Controlling a country

[Anonymous]

This will drive Iran into a closer alliance with Russia in the hopes of getting revenge against Israel. One day, their armies will march to the valley of Megiddo in Israel and be destroyed there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:***To this day Israel has yet been able to effectuate regime change in Gaza, a small region it borders that it starved and Genocided.***

Whats the chance it is sucessful at regime change on a country with 90M, full of mountain, a half a continent away, with a population that has a will to fight, and some tech. superiority.

Our leaders are insane and have a false sense of superiority and power.

The administration is hoping that the Iranian people will seize the initiative and overthrow the remaining elements of the regime. But if that doesn’t happen, they don’t really care. Iran is still militarily neutered for the next few years. Trump & company are fairly smart in recognizing that you don’t have to have boots on the ground and take on nation building in order to remove a country as a threat to he US. Doesn’t necessarily help the local populace, but that’s not of concern to him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:***To this day Israel has yet been able to effectuate regime change in Gaza, a small region it borders that it starved and Genocided.***

Whats the chance it is sucessful at regime change on a country with 90M, full of mountain, a half a continent away, with a population that has a will to fight, and some tech. superiority.

Our leaders are insane and have a false sense of superiority and power.

The administration is hoping that the Iranian people will seize the initiative and overthrow the remaining elements of the regime. But if that doesn’t happen, they don’t really care. Iran is still militarily neutered for the next few years. Trump & company are fairly smart in recognizing that you don’t have to have boots on the ground and take on nation building in order to remove a country as a threat to he US. Doesn’t necessarily help the local populace, but that’s not of concern to him.

I'm pretty sure we'll be able to control the oil fields like Venezuela. N. Korea is on the T.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They don’t want to control the country. They have no plan for the future of Iran. They don’t particularly care what happens to the Iranian people or the region.

They want to distract from Epstein. That tells you how huge the Epstein revelations actually are. And everything else makes sense when you look at it from that lens.

Cite?

Where has the administration indicated that they have any sort of plan for Iran’s future? Why did they do this in the middle of the Epstein scandal? It’s such an obvious distraction.

The plan for the future rests with the people of that country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump doesn't want regime change.

He wants bribes from the leaders of the country who control its resources. That's all.

This is the truth. Look at Argentina! Same brutal regime, just more $$ in Donny's pocket.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:History will provide the answer as to whether or not the current conflict leaves the region and the world better off than it was. My bet is that it can't help but be better; it could hardly be worse.

if nothing else, the Iranian appetite and capacity to prop up Palestinian terror proxies will be essentially eliminated, a huge win.

You must be joking.

Right?
It’s almost as if no one posting here has any concept of history or the region. This just a very expensive and misguided distraction from Epstein.

But what is to stop them from destroying pieces of the Epstein files anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump doesn't want regime change.

He wants bribes from the leaders of the country who control its resources. That's all.

Got it all figured out, eh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:***To this day Israel has yet been able to effectuate regime change in Gaza, a small region it borders that it starved and Genocided.***

Whats the chance it is sucessful at regime change on a country with 90M, full of mountain, a half a continent away, with a population that has a will to fight, and some tech. superiority.

Our leaders are insane and have a false sense of superiority and power.

The administration is hoping that the Iranian people will seize the initiative and overthrow the remaining elements of the regime. But if that doesn’t happen, they don’t really care. Iran is still militarily neutered for the next few years. Trump & company are fairly smart in recognizing that you don’t have to have boots on the ground and take on nation building in order to remove a country as a threat to he US. Doesn’t necessarily help the local populace, but that’s not of concern to him.

We invade Iraq over fake weapons of mass destruction. Didn't even sound legit at the time. The Iraqis were cheering in the street. Until ISIS took over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:***To this day Israel has yet been able to effectuate regime change in Gaza, a small region it borders that it starved and Genocided.***

Whats the chance it is sucessful at regime change on a country with 90M, full of mountain, a half a continent away, with a population that has a will to fight, and some tech. superiority.

Our leaders are insane and have a false sense of superiority and power.

The administration is hoping that the Iranian people will seize the initiative and overthrow the remaining elements of the regime. But if that doesn’t happen, they don’t really care. Iran is still militarily neutered for the next few years. Trump & company are fairly smart in recognizing that you don’t have to have boots on the ground and take on nation building in order to remove a country as a threat to he US. Doesn’t necessarily help the local populace, but that’s not of concern to him.

They could have sat on their hands and accomplished the same. Iran was not a threat to the US at the start of the war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should call up the pentagon and let them know. I’m sure they didn’t think of any of this while having a plan they’ve constantly updated over the last couple of decades.

You mean the same Pentagon that got us into Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan? The one led by a narcissistic alcoholic who just spent a lot of his energy fighting (checks notes) the BOY SCOUTS to enforce his threatened masculinity? That Pentagon? LOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:History will provide the answer as to whether or not the current conflict leaves the region and the world better off than it was. My bet is that it can't help but be better; it could hardly be worse.

if nothing else, the Iranian appetite and capacity to prop up Palestinian terror proxies will be essentially eliminated, a huge win.

Why do you think this? To me, it will only make it worse.

You think Iran will have resources left after this? They're expending everything they have, and their capacity to rebuild and resupply is being eliminated. They'll have no financial resources left with which to purchase weapons from others. They're done for militarily, industrially, and economically, and consequently their patronage of regional terrorists is at an end. Those groups - Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, have no other patrons waiting in the wings to prop them up. Iranian patronage of those groups is no small factor in what is happening now, along with the need to eliminate the potential of a future nuclear-armed Iran.

You think wiping out some leaders means you have wiped out their entire economy and leadership structure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:***To this day Israel has yet been able to effectuate regime change in Gaza, a small region it borders that it starved and Genocided.***

Whats the chance it is sucessful at regime change on a country with 90M, full of mountain, a half a continent away, with a population that has a will to fight, and some tech. superiority.

Our leaders are insane and have a false sense of superiority and power.

+1 (and maybe Jeff can attest that I am not one of the anti-Israel anti-Zionist posters - quite the opposite). Certainly this action raises certain costs for Iran but the idea that we brought the country completely to its knees in a day is just funny if not so sad.

Maybe this is the time to again tell the story about the early 2000s when I met one of the 20-something Bush appointees who was headed to Iraq to work for the state departmen, a Fed Soc type lawyer with zero experience. I asked him what he was going to do in Iraq and he said “advise them on developing the rule of law so they can transition to democracy.” I asked “oh really, how does one do that!” And he said “Well, I will teach them about Marbury v Madison.” Me “….”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:***To this day Israel has yet been able to effectuate regime change in Gaza, a small region it borders that it starved and Genocided.***

Whats the chance it is sucessful at regime change on a country with 90M, full of mountain, a half a continent away, with a population that has a will to fight, and some tech. superiority.

Our leaders are insane and have a false sense of superiority and power.

The administration is hoping that the Iranian people will seize the initiative and overthrow the remaining elements of the regime. But if that doesn’t happen, they don’t really care. Iran is still militarily neutered for the next few years. Trump & company are fairly smart in recognizing that you don’t have to have boots on the ground and take on nation building in order to remove a country as a threat to he US. Doesn’t necessarily help the local populace, but that’s not of concern to him.

Well then it certainly is a relief that Trump's headline program to migrate the US from oil to renewable power sources has made us independent of the Middle East shipping lanes!

Oh...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:***To this day Israel has yet been able to effectuate regime change in Gaza, a small region it borders that it starved and Genocided.***

Whats the chance it is sucessful at regime change on a country with 90M, full of mountain, a half a continent away, with a population that has a will to fight, and some tech. superiority.

Our leaders are insane and have a false sense of superiority and power.

+1 (and maybe Jeff can attest that I am not one of the anti-Israel anti-Zionist posters - quite the opposite). Certainly this action raises certain costs for Iran but the idea that we brought the country completely to its knees in a day is just funny if not so sad.

Maybe this is the time to again tell the story about the early 2000s when I met one of the 20-something Bush appointees who was headed to Iraq to work for the state departmen, a Fed Soc type lawyer with zero experience. I asked him what he was going to do in Iraq and he said “advise them on developing the rule of law so they can transition to democracy.” I asked “oh really, how does one do that!” And he said “Well, I will teach them about Marbury v Madison.” Me “….”

I don't see what's wrong with that? Your friend was the only person involved in democratization. He has had one small role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They don’t want to control the country. They have no plan for the future of Iran. They don’t particularly care what happens to the Iranian people or the region.

They want to distract from Epstein. That tells you how huge the Epstein revelations actually are. And everything else makes sense when you look at it from that lens.

Cite?

Where has the administration indicated that they have any sort of plan for Iran’s future? Why did they do this in the middle of the Epstein scandal? It’s such an obvious distraction.

The plan for the future rests with the people of that country.

But subject to Trump's whims and missiles.