DC area law schools

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that Howard hasn't been mentioned yet...

Howard has a law school?

Yes, in Van Ness, right by the Levine music school. (Fun fact for DC folks, the old “H” bus lines, which ran east-west, connected the main Howard campus to the Howard law and divinity schools.)

Howard Law is not great but it is a better choice than the UDC law school which has already been mentioned.

So UDC law school and Howard law school are on the same Van Ness (where UDC is located) campus?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that Howard hasn't been mentioned yet...

Howard has a law school?

Yes, in Van Ness, right by the Levine music school. (Fun fact for DC folks, the old “H” bus lines, which ran east-west, connected the main Howard campus to the Howard law and divinity schools.)

Howard Law is not great but it is a better choice than the UDC law school which has already been mentioned.

So UDC law school and Howard law school are on the same Van Ness (where UDC is located) campus?

Howard Law is located a little ways east of Connecticut. You can’t see it from Connecticut. UDC is a completely separate school, with its own separate campus, on the west side of Connecticut. But they’re both at Connecticut and Van Ness.

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Ill be sure to tell the managing partner of our DC office that as a Mason graduate I shouldn't be here. LOL.

The law and economics class aside which was a waste of time the education was first rate. Oh, I also had my loans paid off in two years while I had fellow associates trying to pay off their loans 6 and 7 years in. Damned tuition at GW is 3x more than Mason. I dont think they got a 3x better education for that cost.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want Biglaw your only realistic choices are Georgetown and GWU. [b]Mason may be highly ranked but its reputation doesn't match its ranking. As for AU, virtually all of its top students end up transferring.

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Scalia law has done amazing things since it started unaccredited around 1976. Today, it hovers between 25-34. It sends a lot of its students to conservative judges and justices, who also teach there. It has sent six students to clerk in the Supreme Court. And,it is with great with merit (offered my son free tuition)

Well, five not six but who's counting. And nothing you said contradicts my post. GMU is highly ranked but doesn't place in Biglaw commensurate with its ranking. My guess is that it doesn't precisely because, as you imply, it's faculty and students are super Trumpy and Biglaw skews liberal.

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Anonymous wrote:Ill be sure to tell the managing partner of our DC office that as a Mason graduate I shouldn't be here. LOL.

The law and economics class aside which was a waste of time the education was first rate. Oh, I also had my loans paid off in two years while I had fellow associates trying to pay off their loans 6 and 7 years in. Damned tuition at GW is 3x more than Mason. I dont think they got a 3x better education for that cost.

Never said you can't get a job with Biglaw out of GMU. Just that Biglaw doesn't hold the law school in as high regard as its current ranking.

GMU, GWU and William & Mary are all tied at 31st in the latest rankings, for example. But 34 percent of the GWU Class of 2024 secured either a job with Biglaw or a federal clerkship at graduation, compared to 24 percent of William & Mary grads and only 18 percent at GMU grads.

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Georgetown grad here. Law school is extremely expensive and unless you come from a lot of money it takes a lot of law school to be "worth it"

Georgetown is pretty much the reason why people say T-14 instead of T-10 or T-20 or even T-15 when it comes to law schools. I mean 14? That's a weird number right? It's because Georgetown is usually ranked about 14. It is the largest law school in the country and it is usually the cutoff for on campus interviewing for top law firms. You need to be in the top half of Georgetown to have selection of job offers.

I don't know if any of the other law schools are really worth the cost of attendance plus the opportunity cost of 3 years. You have to graduate cum laude at GW to really have a lucrative career, maybe top 10-20% at the other schools. Maybe even top 5%.

I know money isn't everything but once again, law school is expensive, both in terms of actual cost and opportunity cost.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want Biglaw your only realistic choices are Georgetown and GWU. Mason may be highly ranked but its reputation doesn't match its ranking. As for AU, virtually all of its top students end up transferring.

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Scalia law has done amazing things since it started unaccredited around 1976. Today, it hovers between 25-34. It sends a lot of its students to conservative judges and justices, who also teach there. It has sent six students to clerk in the Supreme Court. And,it is with great with merit (offered my son free tuition)

Well, five not six but who's counting. And nothing you said contradicts my post. GMU is highly ranked but doesn't place in Biglaw commensurate with its ranking. My guess is that it doesn't precisely because, as you imply, it's faculty and students are [b]super Trumpy and Biglaw skews liberal.

I’m there today at an antitrust conference and can say there is no one here “super Trumpy”. You are confusing the fact that there are all sorts of moderate to far right beliefs that have nothing to do with Trump. Even the judges appointed by him are, imho, not Trumpy.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown grad here. Law school is extremely expensive and unless you come from a lot of money it takes a lot of law school to be "worth it"

Georgetown is pretty much the reason why people say T-14 instead of T-10 or T-20 or even T-15 when it comes to law schools. I mean 14? That's a weird number right? It's because Georgetown is usually ranked about 14. It is the largest law school in the country and it is usually the cutoff for on campus interviewing for top law firms. You need to be in the top half of Georgetown to have selection of job offers.

I don't know if any of the other law schools are really worth the cost of attendance plus the opportunity cost of 3 years. You have to graduate cum laude at GW to really have a lucrative career, maybe top 10-20% at the other schools. Maybe even top 5%.

I know money isn't everything but once again, law school is expensive, both in terms of actual cost and opportunity cost.

So what kind of jobs opportunities are there for kids who graduate from T15 and below law schools? Just wondering since my child wants to go to law school

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Anonymous wrote:Ill be sure to tell the managing partner of our DC office that as a Mason graduate I shouldn't be here. LOL.

The law and economics class aside which was a waste of time the education was first rate. Oh, I also had my loans paid off in two years while I had fellow associates trying to pay off their loans 6 and 7 years in. Damned tuition at GW is 3x more than Mason. I dont think they got a 3x better education for that cost.

+1. Great value. And 30 grads are currently clerking with one in the Supreme Court, bringing total to five Supreme Court clerks. https://www.law.gmu.edu/pubs/papers/ls2603#:~:text=Since%202019%2C%20over%20200%20of,clerkships%20by%20percentage%20of%20class.

Scalia is also generous with merit to get high-flying students who can go T8.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want Biglaw your only realistic choices are Georgetown and GWU. Mason may be highly ranked but its reputation doesn't match its ranking. As for AU, virtually all of its top students end up transferring.

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Scalia law has done amazing things since it started unaccredited around 1976. Today, it hovers between 25-34. It sends a lot of its students to conservative judges and justices, who also teach there. It has sent six students to clerk in the Supreme Court. And,it is with great with merit (offered my son free tuition)

Well, five not six but who's counting. And nothing you said contradicts my post. GMU is highly ranked but doesn't place in Biglaw commensurate with its ranking. My guess is that it doesn't precisely because, as you imply, it's faculty and students are super Trumpy and Biglaw skews liberal.

I’m there today at an antitrust conference and can say there is no one here “super Trumpy”. You are confusing the fact that there are all [b]sorts of moderate to far right beliefs that have nothing to do with Trump. Even the judges appointed by him are, imho, not Trumpy.

Conservatism dies not mean Trumpy. I’m a Madisonian conservative and no way a Trumper.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, The current USNWR rankings are
Georgetown 14 (tied with others)
GW and Mason tied at 31 (with several others, including W&M)
Catholic 71 (tied)
American 104

I went to AU law when it was ranked in the top 50 and liked it, have had good jobs since graduation. But it was outrageously expensive then and seems to be so now. I can’t fathom what it has done to fall so far in the rankings.

If I had it to do all over again and wanted to be in this area, I would live in VA and go to Mason law school. Well ranked and a lot less expensive.

Yeah, what's going on at AU Law?

Likely nothing is "going on at AU Law," the rankings have never meant much beyond top 15 or so and they have shifted like crazy for many, many schools in recent history, and usually for no obvious reason. I attended Tulane when it was just inside the first tier at 40 and now it's 78. Nothing "going on" (although there were some issues when Katrina hit, that was over 20 years ago).

LOL. The "first tier" stops way short of no. 40.

Not when I went to law school it didn't. It referred to the top 50, not the top 14 like now.

When did you go to law school? Fifty years ago?

No, not 50 years ago.

When did you go to law school? Yeah, that’s what I thought. Never. You’re one of the mommies, right? Obsessing over things like this because you want your kid to go to law school? Yep. That’s what I thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Ill be sure to tell the managing partner of our DC office that as a Mason graduate I shouldn't be here. LOL.

The law and economics class aside which was a waste of time the education was first rate. Oh, I also had my loans paid off in two years while I had fellow associates trying to pay off their loans 6 and 7 years in. Damned tuition at GW is 3x more than Mason. I dont think they got a 3x better education for that cost.

Never said you can't get a job with Biglaw out of GMU. Just that Biglaw doesn't hold the law school in as high regard as its current ranking.

GMU, GWU and William & Mary are all tied at 31st in the latest rankings, for example. But 34 percent of the GWU Class of 2024 secured either a job with Biglaw or a federal clerkship at graduation, compared to 24 percent of William & Mary grads and only 18 percent at GMU grads.

One thing that affects biglaw placement rate is that GMU has a larger percentage of part timers / evening students than does William and Mary (which has none) and GW whose part timer percentage is 5%. The part timers / evening students are typically significantly older and have no desire to go onto the BigLaw hamster wheel. Many of them are either second career people or are already in a professional service and want to increase their ceiling by adding a JD and a license to practice.

And lets also remember BigLaw encompasses a huge tier of firms - basically most all of the AmLaw 200. Most of those firms pay "Cravath" scale in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:My DH went to Catholic at night. He says: "It was fine." If you need a night school option (he was a practicing accountant at the time and his firm paid for his school), it's a good one. (Personally, I could never handle work and law school -- I attended a regular daytime one, but not in DC).

What was your DH's career like?
I went to law school full-time and acted like it was an extension of college, which was just an extension of sleep away camp. But my law school had a large evening division and I always secretly admired those folks.

DOJ SES. He’s pretty amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that Howard hasn't been mentioned yet...

Howard has a law school?

Yes. And stop being a racist jerk.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown grad here. Law school is extremely expensive and unless you come from a lot of money it takes a lot of law school to be "worth it"

Georgetown is pretty much the reason why people say T-14 instead of T-10 or T-20 or even T-15 when it comes to law schools. I mean 14? That's a weird number right? It's because Georgetown is usually ranked about 14. It is the largest law school in the country and it is usually the cutoff for on campus interviewing for top law firms. You need to be in the top half of Georgetown to have selection of job offers.

I don't know if any of the other law schools are really worth the cost of attendance plus the opportunity cost of 3 years. You have to graduate cum laude at GW to really have a lucrative career, maybe top 10-20% at the other schools. Maybe even top 5%.

I know money isn't everything but once again, law school is expensive, both in terms of actual cost and opportunity cost.

Yep weird