Hannah Neeleman's Ballerina Farm Halts Sale of Raw Milk Due to Bacteria Concerns

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Anonymous wrote:I’m actually shocked their PR people let them release that statement. obviously saying it’s unfortunate and an apology is warranted, but saying that you didn’t realize it took careful planning and infrastructure… feel like that just opened them up for a lawsuit.

I don’t understand how you cannot know that - I’ve had friends who tried to do local baking small businesses - there are a ton of requirements to sell food beyond like a bake sale. It’s heavily regulated.

That statement was absolutely baffling to me.

I agree. It's weird. And I'm French and drank raw milk.

There are stupid people in France too. Not exactly newsworthy.

PP you replied to. True. My aunt used to drink milk right after milking the cow. She never got sick, but then that was back in the day on a farm. She was probably exposed from birth to all sorts of stuff, and had an immune system that could resist.

What I LOVE to drink in France is microfiltered milk: it's not heated to kill bacteria. It's passed through a filter that's small enough to catch most bacteria. As a result, it's both safe to drink AND has a better flavor than pasteurized milk. You can taste the difference. If you're ever in France, please try some!

I wish the US sold microfiltered milk.

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Anonymous wrote:I like that they acknowledged their mistake. You all are being too hard on them.

No, not having a basic understanding of the science behind their business does not absolve them. Ignorance is no excuse, and I think they realized they could get sued out of their home and business if they "accidentally" killed people.

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I followed her a while back when she was just selling her sourdough starter. She was always showing the batches of starter sitting in her dirty kitchen and the whole thing looked so unsanitary. I would NEVER buy any food product from someone who does not seem to understand basic cleanliness.

I later unfollowed after she posted videos of her kids riding without seatbelts/car seats or bike helmets multiple times. Maybe I am uptight, but if you have millions of followers it is EXTREMELY careless to post that without understanding you might be influencing others to be unsafe. Years later I am wondering, if you pay attention to her content at all, how a person would buy raw milk, of all things, from her. I can understand maybe an apron or spoon, if you absolutely must! But not something consumable! She has a track record of ignoring safety and cleanliness!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I followed her a while back when she was just selling her sourdough starter. She was always showing the batches of starter sitting in her dirty kitchen and the whole thing looked so unsanitary. I would NEVER buy any food product from someone who does not seem to understand basic cleanliness.

I later unfollowed after she posted videos of her kids riding without seatbelts/car seats or bike helmets multiple times. Maybe I am uptight, but if you have millions of followers it is EXTREMELY careless to post that without understanding you might be influencing others to be unsafe. Years later I am wondering, if you pay attention to her content at all, how a person would buy raw milk, of all things, from her. I can understand maybe an apron or spoon, if you absolutely must! But not something consumable! She has a track record of ignoring safety and cleanliness!

It's weird how it's not important for these "trad" women to keep clean homes.

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I also used to drink milk from the farm in glass bottles growing up but in retrospect after some research I think it was not raw but VAT pasteurized since a lot of small farms use that method: lower temp which means retaining more nutrients, while also being safer than raw. It was warm with cream on top and really delicious.

Raw milk requires so many very specific precautions from the health of the cows to using drinking water for equipment, storage temps...Not worth the risk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like that they acknowledged their mistake. You all are being too hard on them.

No, not having a basic understanding of the science behind their business does not absolve them. Ignorance is no excuse, and I think they realized they could get sued out of their home and business if they "accidentally" killed people.

+1. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Neither is ignorance of basic science, particularly if you’re going to sell your services in a dangerous way.

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MAGA always MAGA stupids.

These are the people that RFK Jr the heroin addict takes as respected in science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I followed her a while back when she was just selling her sourdough starter. She was always showing the batches of starter sitting in her dirty kitchen and the whole thing looked so unsanitary. I would NEVER buy any food product from someone who does not seem to understand basic cleanliness.

I later unfollowed after she posted videos of her kids riding without seatbelts/car seats or bike helmets multiple times. Maybe I am uptight, but if you have millions of followers it is EXTREMELY careless to post that without understanding you might be influencing others to be unsafe. Years later I am wondering, if you pay attention to her content at all, how a person would buy raw milk, of all things, from her. I can understand maybe an apron or spoon, if you absolutely must! But not something consumable! She has a track record of ignoring safety and cleanliness!

It's weird how it's not important for these "trad" women to keep clean homes.

Probably because actual cleaning is really hard and if you are also making all your clothes and bread and kids toys from scratch, there’s not enough hours in th day. Pioneer women had much smaller houses and they were also pretty dirty ( but no electric lights so you couldn’t really tell). There’s a reason women in the 50s were thrilled with packaged food products—things like not having to make your own mayonnaise gave you time to scrub your floors!

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News flash — there’s a reason Louis Pasteur is so famous!!

There probably are some immune and gut health benefits from unpasteurized milk but no one who has had a child made sick by unpasteurized milk would take that deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:News flash — there’s a reason Louis Pasteur is so famous!!

There probably are some immune and gut health benefits from unpasteurized milk but no one who has had a child made sick by unpasteurized milk would take that deal.

You can also get those benefits from other sources and you don’t have to drink milk so the risk just isn’t worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I followed her a while back when she was just selling her sourdough starter. She was always showing the batches of starter sitting in her dirty kitchen and the whole thing looked so unsanitary. I would NEVER buy any food product from someone who does not seem to understand basic cleanliness.

I later unfollowed after she posted videos of her kids riding without seatbelts/car seats or bike helmets multiple times. Maybe I am uptight, but if you have millions of followers it is EXTREMELY careless to post that without understanding you might be influencing others to be unsafe. Years later I am wondering, if you pay attention to her content at all, how a person would buy raw milk, of all things, from her. I can understand maybe an apron or spoon, if you absolutely must! But not something consumable! She has a track record of ignoring safety and cleanliness!

Her kitchen didn’t look dirty to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Raw milk is extremely dangerous

No, it is not extremely dangerous.

We grew up buying raw milk from the dairy farmer. We would boil, cool, refrigerate and then consume as regular pasteurized milk.

When we did not have a fridge, we boiled the milk morning and evening to kill any pathogens. No one EVER got sick.

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Anonymous wrote:Raw milk is extremely dangerous

No, it is not extremely dangerous.

We grew up buying raw milk from the dairy farmer. We would boil, cool, refrigerate and then consume as regular pasteurized milk.

When we did not have a fridge, we boiled the milk morning and evening to kill any pathogens. No one EVER got sick.

These people aren’t boiling it. They are consuming it as is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGA always MAGA stupids.

These are the people that RFK Jr the heroin addict takes as respected in science.

These people exist on both the far right and far left, in all fairness. Same with antivaxxers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAHA showing its true colors.

It is more like California granolas.