Any schools touching the Minneapolis situation?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is against the law to profile, it’s against the law to break into homes without a warrant. It’s against the law to stop a car without probable cause.

Trump did an unbelievably terrible job with immigration his first time around and the only reason he’s doing what he’s doing now is because he’s pissed that Obama did a better job. This has nothing to do with Biden.

I have no problem with him lawfully deporting every single solitary brown skinned person. Just don’t break the law.

Scalia is rolling in his grave right now.

Minnesota has 130,000 undocumented people. Texas has 2 million, Florida has almost 2,000,000.

Yep, they’re not deporting people in those states the way they are in Minnesota. Interesting.

Everything Trump does is a retaliation for something else. This has nothing to do with immigration..

Do you know how many people went to jail in Trump’s first administration?

What they’re doing is illegal unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly, but all these ice agents are going to end up in jail and they’re gonna lose their houses. They’re gonna lose their jobs. They’re gonna lose everything they have.
Their families are gonna be destroyed.

You don’t understand law-enforcement, and if you talk to somebody who understands law-enforcement, they would explain to you how illegal all of this is.

Of course they are. But the Governors of Florida and Texas aren’t offering up their own citizens lives by encouraging “protests.” Hence they are not in the news.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many schools in the area love to tout their focus on "social justice" and almost every school in the area made a statement on October 7th (and in some cases a follow up apology statement), but haven't heard a peep from any about the government murdering US citizens on the street. Any statements that I am missing? Do your students report discussing it at school? Disappointed by my school's complete lack of response.

Many publics have had student-led walkouts.

Have any private school students done walkouts? Why not?

Some may be doing it, who knows. But it is worth reminding that the risk being taken by each group of students would not be equivalent.

Public school students have free speech rights because their school is publc. Private school students do not have free speech rights vis a vis their school. So while a public school punishment for a free speech walk out must be the same as any absence from class (i.e., nothing at most schools), private school students typical face actual consequences for unexcused absences, so if they do it, they are taking a different level of risk. Not saying they should or should not do it, but typically (not always), it is not the same gesture/risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is against the law to profile, it’s against the law to break into homes without a warrant. It’s against the law to stop a car without probable cause.

Trump did an unbelievably terrible job with immigration his first time around and the only reason he’s doing what he’s doing now is because he’s pissed that Obama did a better job. This has nothing to do with Biden.

I have no problem with him lawfully deporting every single solitary brown skinned person. Just don’t break the law.

Scalia is rolling in his grave right now.

Minnesota has 130,000 undocumented people. Texas has 2 million, Florida has almost 2,000,000.

Yep, they’re not deporting people in those states the way they are in Minnesota. Interesting.

Everything Trump does is a retaliation for something else. This has nothing to do with immigration..

Do you know how many people went to jail in Trump’s first administration?

What they’re doing is illegal unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly, but all these ice agents are going to end up in jail and they’re gonna lose their houses. They’re gonna lose their jobs. They’re gonna lose everything they have.
Their families are gonna be destroyed.

You don’t understand law-enforcement, and if you talk to somebody who understands law-enforcement, they would explain to you how illegal all of this is.

Of course they are. But the Governors of Florida and Texas aren’t offering up their own citizens lives by encouraging “protests.” Hence they are not in the news.

Offering up their lives? Are you saying people shouldn’t peacefully protest because federal law enforcement will shoot them to death if they do?

Hmmm

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many schools in the area love to tout their focus on "social justice" and almost every school in the area made a statement on October 7th (and in some cases a follow up apology statement), but haven't heard a peep from any about the government murdering US citizens on the street. Any statements that I am missing? Do your students report discussing it at school? Disappointed by my school's complete lack of response.

"Your" school? Are you a student? What grade are you in OP?

DP- I pay 60k for OUR school I can call it wtf I want.

Sure. Go ahead and pretend that you are still in high school and that this affects you on a personal level. You're really doing your kids a big favor when you can't separate yourself.

What an odd hang up, PP.

DP. Not odd at all. It's pervasive and a sign that too many mamas are way too invested in their kids' lives and/or are trying to relive their own glory days.

DP: LOl, hardly. Your issue is your own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is against the law to profile, it’s against the law to break into homes without a warrant. It’s against the law to stop a car without probable cause.

Trump did an unbelievably terrible job with immigration his first time around and the only reason he’s doing what he’s doing now is because he’s pissed that Obama did a better job. This has nothing to do with Biden.

I have no problem with him lawfully deporting every single solitary brown skinned person. Just don’t break the law.

Scalia is rolling in his grave right now.

Minnesota has 130,000 undocumented people. Texas has 2 million, Florida has almost 2,000,000.

Yep, they’re not deporting people in those states the way they are in Minnesota. Interesting.

Everything Trump does is a retaliation for something else. This has nothing to do with immigration..

Do you know how many people went to jail in Trump’s first administration?

What they’re doing is illegal unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly, but all these ice agents are going to end up in jail and they’re gonna lose their houses. They’re gonna lose their jobs. They’re gonna lose everything they have.
Their families are gonna be destroyed.

You don’t understand law-enforcement, and if you talk to somebody who understands law-enforcement, they would explain to you how illegal all of this is.

Of course they are. But the Governors of Florida and Texas aren’t offering up their own citizens lives by encouraging “protests.” Hence they are not in the news.

Offering up their lives? Are you saying people shouldn’t peacefully protest because federal law enforcement will shoot them to death if they do?

Hmmm

People can “peacefully protest” haha all they want. (Destroying property where ICE agents are staying not included.) But they should not be so stupid as to inferred with law enforcement operations, or all bets are off.

That that has to be explained to some people is baffling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many schools in the area love to tout their focus on "social justice" and almost every school in the area made a statement on October 7th (and in some cases a follow up apology statement), but haven't heard a peep from any about the government murdering US citizens on the street. Any statements that I am missing? Do your students report discussing it at school? Disappointed by my school's complete lack of response.

Many publics have had student-led walkouts.

Have any private school students done walkouts? Why not?

Some may be doing it, who knows. But it is worth reminding that the risk being taken by each group of students would not be equivalent.

Public school students have free speech rights because their school is publc. Private school students do not have free speech rights vis a vis their school. So while a public school punishment for a free speech walk out must be the same as any absence from class (i.e., nothing at most schools), private school students typical face actual consequences for unexcused absences, so if they do it, they are taking a different level of risk. Not saying they should or should not do it, but typically (not always), it is not the same gesture/risk.

Kids walked out of private schools in DC for the BLM protests. Were there consequences? Why would there be consequences for protesting federal government overreach? Do these schools support civil rights or not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is against the law to profile, it’s against the law to break into homes without a warrant. It’s against the law to stop a car without probable cause.

Trump did an unbelievably terrible job with immigration his first time around and the only reason he’s doing what he’s doing now is because he’s pissed that Obama did a better job. This has nothing to do with Biden.

I have no problem with him lawfully deporting every single solitary brown skinned person. Just don’t break the law.

Scalia is rolling in his grave right now.

Minnesota has 130,000 undocumented people. Texas has 2 million, Florida has almost 2,000,000.

Yep, they’re not deporting people in those states the way they are in Minnesota. Interesting.

Everything Trump does is a retaliation for something else. This has nothing to do with immigration..

Do you know how many people went to jail in Trump’s first administration?

What they’re doing is illegal unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly, but all these ice agents are going to end up in jail and they’re gonna lose their houses. They’re gonna lose their jobs. They’re gonna lose everything they have.
Their families are gonna be destroyed.

You don’t understand law-enforcement, and if you talk to somebody who understands law-enforcement, they would explain to you how illegal all of this is.

Of course they are. But the Governors of Florida and Texas aren’t offering up their own citizens lives by encouraging “protests.” Hence they are not in the news.

This kind of overly simplistic commentary devoid of empathy is sad to read. I'd encourage you to watch the many available angles involving the shooting death of Alex Pretti and evaluate whether his death was warranted in any way.

In regards to your Florida/Texas comment, it also is no secret that Trump's administration is sending these massive ICE surges into blue states (he and other admin officials have plainly said so); there isn't the same level of tension in GOP governed states because they aren't being subjected to the same treatment. There are many many many more undocumented immigrants in both Florida and Texas than there are in Minnesota. It's also wholly irresponsible to equate encouraging peaceful protest to "offering up their own citizens['] lives." Renee Good and Alex Pretti should both by alive today, plain and simple, even if there is at least an argument for Good facing legal consequences.

I hope you'll take some time to consider the inhumane callous response you offered and show some respect and care for others.

Or maybe bootlicking just tastes too good?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

You are saying that something isn't illegal until a court says so? That is not how the law works.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is against the law to profile, it’s against the law to break into homes without a warrant. It’s against the law to stop a car without probable cause.

Trump did an unbelievably terrible job with immigration his first time around and the only reason he’s doing what he’s doing now is because he’s pissed that Obama did a better job. This has nothing to do with Biden.

I have no problem with him lawfully deporting every single solitary brown skinned person. Just don’t break the law.

Scalia is rolling in his grave right now.

Minnesota has 130,000 undocumented people. Texas has 2 million, Florida has almost 2,000,000.

Yep, they’re not deporting people in those states the way they are in Minnesota. Interesting.

Everything Trump does is a retaliation for something else. This has nothing to do with immigration..

Do you know how many people went to jail in Trump’s first administration?

What they’re doing is illegal unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly, but all these ice agents are going to end up in jail and they’re gonna lose their houses. They’re gonna lose their jobs. They’re gonna lose everything they have.
Their families are gonna be destroyed.

You don’t understand law-enforcement, and if you talk to somebody who understands law-enforcement, they would explain to you how illegal all of this is.

Of course they are. But the Governors of Florida and Texas aren’t offering up their own citizens lives by encouraging “protests.” Hence they are not in the news.

Offering up their lives? Are you saying people shouldn’t peacefully protest because federal law enforcement will shoot them to death if they do?

Hmmm

People can “peacefully protest” haha all they want. (Destroying property where ICE agents are staying not included.) But they should not be so stupid as to inferred with law enforcement operations, or all bets are off.

That that has to be explained to some people is baffling.

Spoken like a dyed in the wool Redcoat! Long live King George!

How far are we from people like you putting "Comply or Die" bumper stickers on your Cybertrucks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is against the law to profile, it’s against the law to break into homes without a warrant. It’s against the law to stop a car without probable cause.

Trump did an unbelievably terrible job with immigration his first time around and the only reason he’s doing what he’s doing now is because he’s pissed that Obama did a better job. This has nothing to do with Biden.

I have no problem with him lawfully deporting every single solitary brown skinned person. Just don’t break the law.

Scalia is rolling in his grave right now.

Minnesota has 130,000 undocumented people. Texas has 2 million, Florida has almost 2,000,000.

Yep, they’re not deporting people in those states the way they are in Minnesota. Interesting.

Everything Trump does is a retaliation for something else. This has nothing to do with immigration..

Do you know how many people went to jail in Trump’s first administration?

What they’re doing is illegal unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly, but all these ice agents are going to end up in jail and they’re gonna lose their houses. They’re gonna lose their jobs. They’re gonna lose everything they have.
Their families are gonna be destroyed.

You don’t understand law-enforcement, and if you talk to somebody who understands law-enforcement, they would explain to you how illegal all of this is.

Of course they are. But the Governors of Florida and Texas aren’t offering up their own citizens lives by encouraging “protests.” Hence they are not in the news.

Offering up their lives? Are you saying people shouldn’t peacefully protest because federal law enforcement will shoot them to death if they do?

Hmmm

People can “peacefully protest” haha all they want. (Destroying property where ICE agents are staying not included.) But they should not be so stupid as to inferred with law enforcement operations, or all bets are off.

That that has to be explained to some people is baffling.

Baffling to have to explain that citizens exercising their rights to assembly and free speech in a democracy should not have to fear that their government will shoot them in the head. Twice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is against the law to profile, it’s against the law to break into homes without a warrant. It’s against the law to stop a car without probable cause.

Trump did an unbelievably terrible job with immigration his first time around and the only reason he’s doing what he’s doing now is because he’s pissed that Obama did a better job. This has nothing to do with Biden.

I have no problem with him lawfully deporting every single solitary brown skinned person. Just don’t break the law.

Scalia is rolling in his grave right now.

Minnesota has 130,000 undocumented people. Texas has 2 million, Florida has almost 2,000,000.

Yep, they’re not deporting people in those states the way they are in Minnesota. Interesting.

Everything Trump does is a retaliation for something else. This has nothing to do with immigration..

Do you know how many people went to jail in Trump’s first administration?

What they’re doing is illegal unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly, but all these ice agents are going to end up in jail and they’re gonna lose their houses. They’re gonna lose their jobs. They’re gonna lose everything they have.
Their families are gonna be destroyed.

You don’t understand law-enforcement, and if you talk to somebody who understands law-enforcement, they would explain to you how illegal all of this is.

Of course they are. But the Governors of Florida and Texas aren’t offering up their own citizens lives by encouraging “protests.” Hence they are not in the news.

Offering up their lives? Are you saying people shouldn’t peacefully protest because federal law enforcement will shoot them to death if they do?

Hmmm

+1 PP, do you even understand what you are saying? Your statement alone illustrates why everyone should be protesting! We have a right to protest. Protesting should NEVER be equated with "offerring yourself up" to a govenrment death squad. You may think you were saying something 'bad' about the Governor, but in fact you were illustrating why he is right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many schools in the area love to tout their focus on "social justice" and almost every school in the area made a statement on October 7th (and in some cases a follow up apology statement), but haven't heard a peep from any about the government murdering US citizens on the street. Any statements that I am missing? Do your students report discussing it at school? Disappointed by my school's complete lack of response.

Many publics have had student-led walkouts.

Have any private school students done walkouts? Why not?

Some may be doing it, who knows. But it is worth reminding that the risk being taken by each group of students would not be equivalent.

Public school students have free speech rights because their school is publc. Private school students do not have free speech rights vis a vis their school. So while a public school punishment for a free speech walk out must be the same as any absence from class (i.e., nothing at most schools), private school students typical face actual consequences for unexcused absences, so if they do it, they are taking a different level of risk. Not saying they should or should not do it, but typically (not always), it is not the same gesture/risk.

Kids walked out of private schools in DC for the BLM protests. Were there consequences? Why would there be consequences for protesting federal government overreach? Do these schools support civil rights or not?

Like I said, I have no idea. Schools can make policy exceptions, etc. Then again, others would say its not really a "walk out" protest if you are allowed and encouraged to do it -- then its just an assembly. Assemblies are also good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is against the law to profile, it’s against the law to break into homes without a warrant. It’s against the law to stop a car without probable cause.

Trump did an unbelievably terrible job with immigration his first time around and the only reason he’s doing what he’s doing now is because he’s pissed that Obama did a better job. This has nothing to do with Biden.

I have no problem with him lawfully deporting every single solitary brown skinned person. Just don’t break the law.

Scalia is rolling in his grave right now.

Minnesota has 130,000 undocumented people. Texas has 2 million, Florida has almost 2,000,000.

Yep, they’re not deporting people in those states the way they are in Minnesota. Interesting.

Everything Trump does is a retaliation for something else. This has nothing to do with immigration..

Do you know how many people went to jail in Trump’s first administration?

What they’re doing is illegal unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly, but all these ice agents are going to end up in jail and they’re gonna lose their houses. They’re gonna lose their jobs. They’re gonna lose everything they have.
Their families are gonna be destroyed.

You don’t understand law-enforcement, and if you talk to somebody who understands law-enforcement, they would explain to you how illegal all of this is.

Of course they are. But the Governors of Florida and Texas aren’t offering up their own citizens lives by encouraging “protests.” Hence they are not in the news.

No they aren't. In FLA they are not arresting American Citizens, beating them, throwing them in a van and dumping them on the street for simply working at Target and looking Hispanic.

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Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is against the law to profile, it’s against the law to break into homes without a warrant. It’s against the law to stop a car without probable cause.

Trump did an unbelievably terrible job with immigration his first time around and the only reason he’s doing what he’s doing now is because he’s pissed that Obama did a better job. This has nothing to do with Biden.

I have no problem with him lawfully deporting every single solitary brown skinned person. Just don’t break the law.

Scalia is rolling in his grave right now.

Minnesota has 130,000 undocumented people. Texas has 2 million, Florida has almost 2,000,000.

Yep, they’re not deporting people in those states the way they are in Minnesota. Interesting.

Everything Trump does is a retaliation for something else. This has nothing to do with immigration..

Do you know how many people went to jail in Trump’s first administration?

What they’re doing is illegal unfortunately the wheels of justice move slowly, but all these ice agents are going to end up in jail and they’re gonna lose their houses. They’re gonna lose their jobs. They’re gonna lose everything they have.
Their families are gonna be destroyed.

You don’t understand law-enforcement, and if you talk to somebody who understands law-enforcement, they would explain to you how illegal all of this is.

Of course they are. But the Governors of Florida and Texas aren’t offering up their own citizens lives by encouraging “protests.” Hence they are not in the news.

Offering up their lives? Are you saying people shouldn’t peacefully protest because federal law enforcement will shoot them to death if they do?

Hmmm

+1 PP, do you even understand what you are saying? Your statement alone illustrates why everyone should be protesting! We have a right to protest. Protesting should NEVER be equated with "offerring yourself up" to a govenrment death squad. You may think you were saying something 'bad' about the Governor, but in fact you were illustrating why he is right.

These people are exhausting with their ignorance and hubris.

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Anonymous wrote:I have many disagreements with how ICE is operating but I am aware this is a very complicated topic with plenty of blame on "both sides" as well as legalese, so I do not approve of knee jerk performative reactions that do not acknowledge the nuances of the situation. I approve of schools refraining from making public statements. Talking about it within individual classes in a respectful, listening to all sides, manner is totally fine.

There are NOT mighty fine people on both sides.

It's not complicated. As a LEO family. ICE is breaking the law, not following procedures, not following the constitution and many of them are criminals.

This can't be discussed because there are no "two sides" there is the constitution and what it says and what is being done is against the law and the constitution.

Until a court orders ICE to leave Minnesota, what ICE is doing in general is not breaking the law or unconstitutional. Most people reaching for "the constitution!" have no real idea what is actually in the constitution. Given that despite intense opposition from Minnesota government officials, ICE is still in Minnesota tells you it is actually not breaking the law or unconstitutional. We can certainly debate the behaviors of certain ICE agents, or even protesters, but ICE is not operating illegally until a court officially says so.

Look, it was in defiance of the laws that Biden's administration waved in 10+ million illegal migrants and let them disappear for all practical purposes. Biden's people also blocked Texas and Arizona from wanting to be more proactive in stopping the migrants from coming across the border, and despite the unhappiness these states complied, because constitutionally they had to defer to the US federal government.

That's why this situation is filled with complex nuances and no one's hands are "clean" by any stretch of the imagination.

You are saying that something isn't illegal until a court says so? That is not how the law works.

You are talking to a rube who supports an autocrat.