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Anonymous wrote:ICE kidnapped elderly man and paraded him around outside in freezing temperatures wearing no shirt.

He was not a criminal. They busted down his door, too. Eventually, they returned him to his home.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/st-paul-hmong-elder-u-214000995.html

He is not just "not a criminal." He is an American citizen!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a humane way to do this and inhumane. MAGA do not care if it is humane, if people including US citizens, are detained using illegal unnecessary use of force, or if immigrants are illegally deported without due process or in violation of court order (like the college student above)

Agree. The humane way would be for state & local law enforcement to turn illegals over to feds for processing.

But since Democrats WANT there to be chaos & conflict, they won’t cooperate with ICE.

What "illegals" EXACTLY are you talking about. If you're talking about someone who committed a crime and is already in local or state custody, then you might have a point. But if you're talking about using state and local law enforcement to round up undocumented people the way ICE does--in workplaces, at Target or Home Depot, on the street because they "look" foreign, on the street where they pull cars over because they're been driven by someone who looks foreign, in parking lots, etc. etc. etc., that is not the job of local or state LEO. That is the job of BP and ICE--local/state LEO are not authorized to do that kind of work. Can you be specific about what types of "illegals" exactly you mean?

DP. I’m sure the PP is referring to noncitizens who have no right to be here. Ie illegal aliens who are subject to deportation. It’s not like they need to commit additional violations of US law in order to be deported. Such a weird hill you guys die on.

what is weird is that you are okay with ICE breaking the law, keeping people in inhuman conditions, arresting American citizens, and sometimes shooting people in the face.

Very few people have a problem with deporting people without violating their rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a humane way to do this and inhumane. MAGA do not care if it is humane, if people including US citizens, are detained using illegal unnecessary use of force, or if immigrants are illegally deported without due process or in violation of court order (like the college student above)

If a jurisdiction won't cooperate with ICE, how should ICE remove criminal aliens?

People who have been convicted and imprisoned in state prisons in Minnesota and have ICE holds are released directly to ICE, so that's covered for felonies. Requiring local governments to enforce immigration laws takes resources and money away from their own law enforcement needs without full compensation from the federal government (even if they have the excess personnel to do this).

I haven't tried this myself, but I saw a video showing how to determine the threat presented by immigrants who have been detained--it described how to find the csv file on a federal website. Detainees are classified with threat levels from 1 (highest) to 4(lowest) and no threat. 86% are classified as no threat.

Perhaps you should ask why Trump has cancelled naturalization ceremonies. I keep hearing people complain that undocumented people have "jumped the line" and not taken all the steps legal immigrants have taken to qualify for citizenship. So what's the justification for slamming that door shut? Makes it seem like, you know, it's not actually about crime.

The problem is they (Stephen Miller actually) came up with this quota system. This required doubling the number of ICE agents in less than a year. It has also turned out that tracking down the serious criminals just isn't producing the numbers the administration wants, which leads to random vehicle stops and door to door checks and snatching 17 year old citizens from their places of work. People who have followed ICE vehicles have later seen ICE agents parked in front of their houses--just parked there, sitting there.

That's bad enough, but there is no message from the top that they should conduct themselves professionally and respect people's civil rights--just the opposite. Bovino showing up in Mpls and other places probably makes things worse since leadership there want to please him. There's someone who has posted on DCM a few times who says they are a former ICE agent and describes the differences between how the agency used to work and how it does now.

What about people who are in asylum or other proceedings to avoid deportation? I know these proceedings do not stop the clock, but should be respected nonetheless. What sense does it make to tell people to follow the rules if, when they are showing up for hearings, they are subjected to being detained? (I have heard that in the colder states they have to wait outside, sometimes for hours. Volunteers have been showing up with extra winter gear and handwarmers.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ICE kidnapped elderly man and paraded him around outside in freezing temperatures wearing no shirt.

He was not a criminal. They busted down his door, too. Eventually, they returned him to his home.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/st-paul-hmong-elder-u-214000995.html

I checked the National Weather Service for St. Paul. At noon yesterday the temp was 1.9 degrees. The warmest it got yesterday was 6.1 degrees.

[Anonymous]

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I think that happened Sunday. By Saturday temps in MN had fallen to subzero and single digits (and will be there for most of the next 2 weeks, with the coldest days of the winter so far happening in a few days)

The worst was that Chicago apartment building raid where approximately 300 federal agents, supported by Black Hawk helicopters and flashbang grenades, raided a large apartment building on the South Side around 1am. Residents—including children and U.S. citizens—were pulled from their beds in the middle of the night, zip-tied, and held outside or in vans for hours.
https://time.com/7323334/ice-raid-chicago-pritzker-trump/

You mean the one where they released like 270 of the 300 that same night because there was no reason to detain them? the one were the US government is being sued because ICE destroyed the building with their military tactics to such an extent that everyone has been evicted?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ICE kidnapped elderly man and paraded him around outside in freezing temperatures wearing no shirt.

He was not a criminal. They busted down his door, too. Eventually, they returned him to his home.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/st-paul-hmong-elder-u-214000995.html

I checked the National Weather Service for St. Paul. At noon yesterday the temp was 1.9 degrees. The warmest it got yesterday was 6.1 degrees.

those agents should be put in prison. what is wrong with you Americans who defend this behavior??? This is no way to treat anyone but I thought you might care because he is an American citizen!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a humane way to do this and inhumane. MAGA do not care if it is humane, if people including US citizens, are detained using illegal unnecessary use of force, or if immigrants are illegally deported without due process or in violation of court order (like the college student above)

If a jurisdiction won't cooperate with ICE, how should ICE remove criminal aliens?

People who have been convicted and imprisoned in state prisons in Minnesota and have ICE holds are released directly to ICE, so that's covered for felonies. Requiring local governments to enforce immigration laws takes resources and money away from their own law enforcement needs without full compensation from the federal government (even if they have the excess personnel to do this).

I haven't tried this myself, but I saw a video showing how to determine the threat presented by immigrants who have been detained--it described how to find the csv file on a federal website. Detainees are classified with threat levels from 1 (highest) to 4(lowest) and no threat. 86% are classified as no threat.

Perhaps you should ask why Trump has cancelled naturalization ceremonies. I keep hearing people complain that undocumented people have "jumped the line" and not taken all the steps legal immigrants have taken to qualify for citizenship. So what's the justification for slamming that door shut? Makes it seem like, you know, it's not actually about crime.

The problem is they (Stephen Miller actually) came up with this quota system. This required doubling the number of ICE agents in less than a year. It has also turned out that tracking down the serious criminals just isn't producing the numbers the administration wants, which leads to random vehicle stops and door to door checks and snatching 17 year old citizens from their places of work. People who have followed ICE vehicles have later seen ICE agents parked in front of their houses--just parked there, sitting there.

That's bad enough, but there is no message from the top that they should conduct themselves professionally and respect people's civil rights--just the opposite. Bovino showing up in Mpls and other places probably makes things worse since leadership there want to please him. There's someone who has posted on DCM a few times who says they are a former ICE agent and describes the differences between how the agency used to work and how it does now.

What about people who are in asylum or other proceedings to avoid deportation? I know these proceedings do not stop the clock, but should be respected nonetheless. What sense does it make to tell people to follow the rules if, when they are showing up for hearings, they are subjected to being detained? (I have heard that in the colder states they have to wait outside, sometimes for hours. Volunteers have been showing up with extra winter gear and handwarmers.)

This. The PP won't reply though, they literally don't care about any of this.

[Anonymous]

Heartwarming story of a local group in Minneapolis that waits outside detention centers and provides released detainees with warm clothing, transportation, food, whatever they need.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a humane way to do this and inhumane. MAGA do not care if it is humane, if people including US citizens, are detained using illegal unnecessary use of force, or if immigrants are illegally deported without due process or in violation of court order (like the college student above)

If a jurisdiction won't cooperate with ICE, how should ICE remove criminal aliens?

People who have been convicted and imprisoned in state prisons in Minnesota and have ICE holds are released directly to ICE, so that's covered for felonies. Requiring local governments to enforce immigration laws takes resources and money away from their own law enforcement needs without full compensation from the federal government (even if they have the excess personnel to do this).

If you report them while they are arrested, it saves you resources of holding them in jail or holding a trial, as well as reducing burden on public services.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a humane way to do this and inhumane. MAGA do not care if it is humane, if people including US citizens, are detained using illegal unnecessary use of force, or if immigrants are illegally deported without due process or in violation of court order (like the college student above)

Agree. The humane way would be for state & local law enforcement to turn illegals over to feds for processing.

But since Democrats WANT there to be chaos & conflict, they won’t cooperate with ICE.

What "illegals" EXACTLY are you talking about. If you're talking about someone who committed a crime and is already in local or state custody, then you might have a point. But if you're talking about using state and local law enforcement to round up undocumented people the way ICE does--in workplaces, at Target or Home Depot, on the street because they "look" foreign, on the street where they pull cars over because they're been driven by someone who looks foreign, in parking lots, etc. etc. etc., that is not the job of local or state LEO. That is the job of BP and ICE--local/state LEO are not authorized to do that kind of work. Can you be specific about what types of "illegals" exactly you mean?

DP. I’m sure the PP is referring to noncitizens who have no right to be here. Ie illegal aliens who are subject to deportation. It’s not like they need to commit additional violations of US law in order to be deported. Such a weird hill you guys die on.

You're not very bright. You just parrot MAGA points but have you stopped to think about what you're saying? Immigration enforcement is a FEDERAL responsibility, not a local one. How do you propose that local cops 1) identify and 2) "capture" these folks? There a number categories of people who may be in this country without proper documentation.

*visa overstays (they're not always POC--they can be white and from Europe or Canada)
*"border crossers" who did not go through passport control at the border (how do you find them since they're not officially here?)
*visa violators (other than overstays)--for example, people who enter legally but are working without authorization on a non-work visa.
*people with temporary protections who lose status--e.g., initially allowed entry under programs like humanitarian parole but who remain after protections end or are revoked

And then there are the folks who are here perfectly legally but who may "look" or "sound"foreign:

*green card holders
*people on the following visas: Tourists/business visitors (B-1/B-2 visas), Students (F-1 academic or M-1 vocational), Temporary workers (e.g., H-1B specialty occupations, H-2A/H-2B seasonal, L-1 intracompany transfers, O-1 extraordinary ability), Exchange visitors (J-1), Treaty traders/investors (E-1/E-2)
*protected status holder such as refugees
*asylees (granted asylum)
*Temporary Protected Status (TPS) recipients
*parolees (humanitarian or other parole)
*victims of trafficking (T visa) or crime (U visa)

Local cops are not tasked with ascertaining whether someone is here legally and then arresting them if they're not. Being here illegally is not a crime, even if your cult has told you it is. See Supreme Court case: In Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. 387 (2012), the Court explicitly stated: "As a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States."

Hold people who have been arrested for ICE to pick them up.
Do not give out driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
Have driver's licenses expire the same time as the visa.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a humane way to do this and inhumane. MAGA do not care if it is humane, if people including US citizens, are detained using illegal unnecessary use of force, or if immigrants are illegally deported without due process or in violation of court order (like the college student above)

Agree. The humane way would be for state & local law enforcement to turn illegals over to feds for processing.

But since Democrats WANT there to be chaos & conflict, they won’t cooperate with ICE.

What "illegals" EXACTLY are you talking about. If you're talking about someone who committed a crime and is already in local or state custody, then you might have a point. But if you're talking about using state and local law enforcement to round up undocumented people the way ICE does--in workplaces, at Target or Home Depot, on the street because they "look" foreign, on the street where they pull cars over because they're been driven by someone who looks foreign, in parking lots, etc. etc. etc., that is not the job of local or state LEO. That is the job of BP and ICE--local/state LEO are not authorized to do that kind of work. Can you be specific about what types of "illegals" exactly you mean?

DP. I’m sure the PP is referring to noncitizens who have no right to be here. Ie illegal aliens who are subject to deportation. It’s not like they need to commit additional violations of US law in order to be deported. Such a weird hill you guys die on.

You're not very bright. You just parrot MAGA points but have you stopped to think about what you're saying? Immigration enforcement is a FEDERAL responsibility, not a local one. How do you propose that local cops 1) identify and 2) "capture" these folks? There a number categories of people who may be in this country without proper documentation.

*visa overstays (they're not always POC--they can be white and from Europe or Canada)
*"border crossers" who did not go through passport control at the border (how do you find them since they're not officially here?)
*visa violators (other than overstays)--for example, people who enter legally but are working without authorization on a non-work visa.
*people with temporary protections who lose status--e.g., initially allowed entry under programs like humanitarian parole but who remain after protections end or are revoked

And then there are the folks who are here perfectly legally but who may "look" or "sound"foreign:

*green card holders
*people on the following visas: Tourists/business visitors (B-1/B-2 visas), Students (F-1 academic or M-1 vocational), Temporary workers (e.g., H-1B specialty occupations, H-2A/H-2B seasonal, L-1 intracompany transfers, O-1 extraordinary ability), Exchange visitors (J-1), Treaty traders/investors (E-1/E-2)
*protected status holder such as refugees
*asylees (granted asylum)
*Temporary Protected Status (TPS) recipients
*parolees (humanitarian or other parole)
*victims of trafficking (T visa) or crime (U visa)

Local cops are not tasked with ascertaining whether someone is here legally and then arresting them if they're not. Being here illegally is not a crime, even if your cult has told you it is. See Supreme Court case: In Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. 387 (2012), the Court explicitly stated: "As a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States."

This is no longer true, as the government has started enforcing the Alien Registration Act. It is now a felony for an illegal alien to remain present, unless they have registered with the government(and this applies to legal aliens as well).

[Anonymous]

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What do you propose to solve the problem?

Not the overkill actually happening. Means don't justify Ends.

You are saying what not to do, not what to do.

[Anonymous]

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What do you propose to solve the problem?

Not the overkill actually happening. Means don't justify Ends.

You are saying what not to do, not what to do.

Do it the same way it has been done the last 15 years without apprehending people here legally and particularly US citizens. Why do you have such low expectations for ICE given none of this was an issue until 2025?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ICE kidnapped elderly man and paraded him around outside in freezing temperatures wearing no shirt.

He was not a criminal. They busted down his door, too. Eventually, they returned him to his home.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/st-paul-hmong-elder-u-214000995.html

They were there to arrest two sex offender illegal immigrants. This guy was sharing the place with them, and refused to be fingerprinted or facially IDd.

This is not correct. He shares his house with three family members, none of whom were someone ICE claimed to actually be after.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There is a humane way to do this and inhumane. MAGA do not care if it is humane, if people including US citizens, are detained using illegal unnecessary use of force, or if immigrants are illegally deported without due process or in violation of court order (like the college student above)

Agree. The humane way would be for state & local law enforcement to turn illegals over to feds for processing.

But since Democrats WANT there to be chaos & conflict, they won’t cooperate with ICE.

What "illegals" EXACTLY are you talking about. If you're talking about someone who committed a crime and is already in local or state custody, then you might have a point. But if you're talking about using state and local law enforcement to round up undocumented people the way ICE does--in workplaces, at Target or Home Depot, on the street because they "look" foreign, on the street where they pull cars over because they're been driven by someone who looks foreign, in parking lots, etc. etc. etc., that is not the job of local or state LEO. That is the job of BP and ICE--local/state LEO are not authorized to do that kind of work. Can you be specific about what types of "illegals" exactly you mean?

DP. I’m sure the PP is referring to noncitizens who have no right to be here. Ie illegal aliens who are subject to deportation. It’s not like they need to commit additional violations of US law in order to be deported. Such a weird hill you guys die on.

what is weird is that you are okay with ICE breaking the law, keeping people in inhuman conditions, arresting American citizens, and sometimes shooting people in the face.

Very few people have a problem with deporting people without violating their rights.

Exactly like the Brown Shirts 1930s Germany. The thugs were put out in the streets to create chaos and attack liberals and Jews. Just replace Jews with brown people as the targets and you have ICE.

Stephen Miller, Trumps version of Joseph Goebbels, said To all ICE officers: You have federal immunity in the conduct of your duties.” As Hitler dismantled Germanys constitution little by little it was less and less a democracy. Hitler added a new article that stated the President can declare a state of emergency in Germany in times of national danger and to rule as a dictator for short periods of time.

I can see more and more similarities between the men behind Hitler and the motley crew behind Trump who have pretty much sworn allegiance to him and not the country.