Restoring rigor in high schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s all smoke and mirrors to hide the fast tracking of rich private school kids into the “right” schools. …and then to all the top internships and jobs, thanks to connections

+1

[Anonymous]

We need to return to the days when B was good and C was average and when there was a bell curve with some A’s, a lot of B’s and some C’s. Back when an A actually meant something…

[Anonymous]

Rigor needs to be restored at the college level as well. When I graduated my schools average GPA was 2.7, graduates went on to lead successful lives. Now a typical average GPA is 3.7+ and graduates struggle to get and keep jobs.

Grade inflation isn’t benefitting anyone. Latin honors have become meaningless and today’s students most likely don’t have the root language skills to know what each one means.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

Why is it racist for only some ethnicities and not others? And does a mixed child with only one black parent do 50% better? The racist argument is so dumb. With that line of reasoning, they should only have black teachers.

No it’s not! It’s true.

Just Google it. The SAT is biased towards whites.

Is that why Asians outperform whites before and after every SAT dumbing down revision to allow more white kids to score higher by lowering the ceiling? White DEI.

2025 SAT Suite Annual Report

Page 4
average SAT scores
Asian 1229 (599 V, 630 M)
White 1077 (550 V, 527 M)

Not. Even. Close.
This is why holistic BS exists. Nobody cared about this EC garbage when whites were getting in with 15-20~30% admittance rates to elite schools and they made up 90% of each class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

Why is it racist for only some ethnicities and not others? And does a mixed child with only one black parent do 50% better? The racist argument is so dumb. With that line of reasoning, they should only have black teachers.

No it’s not! It’s true.

Just Google it. The SAT is biased towards whites.

Is that why Asians outperform whites before and after every SAT dumbing down revision to allow more white kids to score higher by lowering the ceiling? White DEI.

2025 SAT Suite Annual Report

Page 4
average SAT scores
Asian 1229 (599 V, 630 M)
White 1077 (550 V, 527 M)

Not. Even. Close.
This is why holistic BS exists. Nobody cared about this EC garbage when whites were getting in with 15-20~30% admittance rates to elite schools and they made up 90% of each class.

It was dumbed down to help URMs; the dumbing down makes it more amenable to prep. The demographic that preps the most (Asian) benefits the most from the test being made easier.

[Anonymous]

Another yawn lecture

[Anonymous]

I don’t know where your kids go to school but my kids work much harder than I ever did. And they know much more than I ever did. There needs to be more chill and less stress

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

Why is it racist for only some ethnicities and not others? And does a mixed child with only one black parent do 50% better? The racist argument is so dumb. With that line of reasoning, they should only have black teachers.

No it’s not! It’s true.

Just Google it. The SAT is biased towards whites.

Is that why Asians outperform whites before and after every SAT dumbing down revision to allow more white kids to score higher by lowering the ceiling? White DEI.

2025 SAT Suite Annual Report

Page 4
average SAT scores
Asian 1229 (599 V, 630 M)
White 1077 (550 V, 527 M)

Not. Even. Close.
This is why holistic BS exists. Nobody cared about this EC garbage when whites were getting in with 15-20~30% admittance rates to elite schools and they made up 90% of each class.

It was dumbed down to help URMs; the dumbing down makes it more amenable to prep. The demographic that preps the most (Asian) benefits the most from the test being made easier.

BS if it was redesigned to help URM, there would have been a boost from 1000 to 1200, or 1200 to 1400 so the medium 2☆ questions would have been a focus. The only people that making 3☆ questions easier for are whites. Imagine what the spread btw Asians and whites would be if they made the hardest 10 questions in each section much harder than they are now. I'm guessing probably 200+ pts difference.

[Anonymous]

Everything is dumbed down now. Including high school curricula/grading and the SATs. It's all a racket and students are going to college unprepared. Yes, even the students who get all A's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

Ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

Like the confederate flag or swastika?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know where your kids go to school but my kids work much harder than I ever did. And they know much more than I ever did. There needs to be more chill and less stress

This! I just dont see this “dumbing down of education”. I know I am in a bubble, but in my bubble, kids aren’t walking out with all A’s if they are not academically gifted. Kids who take 12+ APs and have A’s only on their transcript are quite rare at our well rated public school. I mean nobody is taking physics c and finding it easy. I think you could look at rigor and grades from a high performing school and have a pretty good idea of where the student stands. And my kids in STEM classes are learning far far more than I did back in the day. One example - I took Calc AB in high school senior year. My kid finished calc BC junior year (like many of his peers). I ended up eventually getting a math PhD (from a very selective school). And I will tell you my kids know more coming out high school in math than I did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know where your kids go to school but my kids work much harder than I ever did. And they know much more than I ever did. There needs to be more chill and less stress

This! I just dont see this “dumbing down of education”. I know I am in a bubble, but in my bubble, kids aren’t walking out with all A’s if they are not academically gifted. Kids who take 12+ APs and have A’s only on their transcript are quite rare at our well rated public school. I mean nobody is taking physics c and finding it easy. I think you could look at rigor and grades from a high performing school and have a pretty good idea of where the student stands. And my kids in STEM classes are learning far far more than I did back in the day. One example - I took Calc AB in high school senior year. My kid finished calc BC junior year (like many of his peers). I ended up eventually getting a math PhD (from a very selective school). And I will tell you my kids know more coming out high school in math than I did.

That may be, but they can't read or write.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rigor needs to be restored at the college level as well. When I graduated my schools average GPA was 2.7, graduates went on to lead successful lives. Now a typical average GPA is 3.7+ and graduates struggle to get and keep jobs.

Grade inflation isn’t benefitting anyone. Latin honors have become meaningless and today’s students most likely don’t have the root language skills to know what each one means.

For that, you have to get companies and grad schools on board. You’d also need this to start with the top schools. No one’s gonna respect a directional state school going hard on gpas, but they will with Harvard.

But what would this change about college? Curriculums have gotten intense and the kids are learning a ton in higher ed now. What’s the point of lowering gpas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

Why is it racist for only some ethnicities and not others? And does a mixed child with only one black parent do 50% better? The racist argument is so dumb. With that line of reasoning, they should only have black teachers.

No it’s not! It’s true.

Just Google it. The SAT is biased towards whites.

Is that why Asians outperform whites before and after every SAT dumbing down revision to allow more white kids to score higher by lowering the ceiling? White DEI.

2025 SAT Suite Annual Report

Page 4
average SAT scores
Asian 1229 (599 V, 630 M)
White 1077 (550 V, 527 M)

Not. Even. Close.
This is why holistic BS exists. Nobody cared about this EC garbage when whites were getting in with 15-20~30% admittance rates to elite schools and they made up 90% of each class.

It was dumbed down to help URMs; the dumbing down makes it more amenable to prep. The demographic that preps the most (Asian) benefits the most from the test being made easier.

+1