Restoring rigor in high schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

Why is it racist for only some ethnicities and not others? And does a mixed child with only one black parent do 50% better? The racist argument is so dumb. With that line of reasoning, they should only have black teachers.

[Anonymous]

Colleges should be free.
No Legacy
No QuestBridge

To be fair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

The more weight put on grades in the admissions process, the more pressure families put on teachers to inflate grades. While grade inflation has long been a problem, this increased with test optional policies. This also increased with the treatment of GPA as if it were a standardized metric. It never, ever can be standardized, no matter how much it is sliced and diced.

Highly selective colleges already heavily consider rigor. Any further weight on rigor turns college admissions into a race for the most AP courses.

"Research" has jumped the shark, at this point.

Agree about honesty and integrity. I would add authenticity. Genuine, authentic kids, with high academic stats, do get accepted to highly-selective schools. There are many factors beyond the kid's control that are factors in enrollment management algorithms.

[Anonymous]

It’s all smoke and mirrors to hide the fast tracking of rich private school kids into the “right” schools. …and then to all the top internships and jobs, thanks to connections

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to restore rigor, we need to return to pencil and paper. Laptops make it too easy to cheat, too distracting to focus and too hard to learn.

Maybe we should just revert to slate and chalk?

You are beyond ridiculous.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.
I think you're talking about reforming assessment metrics for college admissions, not the education system, right?

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.
I disagree. As should be given to students who do the work very well. Truly gifted? No, that's not what grades measure. Also you spelled truly wrong.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.
Totally disagree. ECs should be open to anyone. For passion, to occupy them, to explore, to dabble in, etc...

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.
Yes. I agree.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.
I believe this already happens at most schools, but only to the extent the kid is capable. Not all, probably not many, kids are capable of the highest rigor.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s all smoke and mirrors to hide the fast tracking of rich private school kids into the “right” schools. …and then to all the top internships and jobs, thanks to connections

Project 2025 says it will be whites only, men only, ........

None of you read all The Heritage Foundations pages did you?

[Anonymous]

Basically, you need to work with local schools systems and school boards to make this happen instead of diverting energy to banning books and policing bathrooms. Will it happen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

It's not the test. It's the wealth and resource gap.

No, it is not that.

In any event, the racial data is easily available, therefore it has to be race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

Why is it racist for only some ethnicities and not others? And does a mixed child with only one black parent do 50% better? The racist argument is so dumb. With that line of reasoning, they should only have black teachers.

No it’s not! It’s true.

Just Google it. The SAT is biased towards whites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

Why is it racist for only some ethnicities and not others? And does a mixed child with only one black parent do 50% better? The racist argument is so dumb. With that line of reasoning, they should only have black teachers.

Historically, they did. Then, we integrated schools and fired all of their teachers and put them in classrooms with teachers who didn't like them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

You are misusing the word "gifted." Gifted kids don't always get As and they don't always follow the rules to meet other people's expectations; but rule following, diligent, average smart kids do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

You are misusing the word "gifted." Gifted kids don't always get As and they don't always follow the rules to meet other people's expectations; but rule following, diligent, average smart kids do.

When the grades are inflated, average smart get As, in fact any average diligent kids get As.

When you raise the rigor, only the truly intelligent ones get As, or sometimes no one gets an A.

That’s the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In order to reform education system, standardized test may be reinstated, but it barely touch the root issue.

High schools should stop GPA inflation, should provide rigorous grading and rigorous courses. Stop giving 20% of the class 4.0 GPAs. It's just insane. Straight As should be reserved for the truely gifted.

ECs should be done out of true passion. No gaming the system. Colleges should not consider high school research in admissions so that only kids with true passion will pursue it, not fake it.

High school counselors should verify a student's ECs before they send out the app.

High schools should encourage kids taking courses of highest rigor available to their schools, be it stem or humanities. Colleges should put a lot more weight on course rigor in admissions.

Be honest.

Have integrity.

But your whole concept of “integrity” here is that it works against the goal of racial equity.

+1.

Just look at SAT scores. The wide disparity between Black SAT scores and those of whites proves the SAT test is still very racist, and should be abolished.

Is that what you think? You don’t think it’s because black children are given an inferior education and have teachers who are ill-prepared, and parents who cannot supplement at home, and politicians who keep reinventing the wheel instead of sticking with basics?

The crime is that black children lack content knowledge that other students have and this hampers their academic achievement starting in Kindergarten.

[Anonymous]

Most of what OP mentioned is so the wealthy can get Junior into their alma mater. "Holistic" admissions benefits them primarily.