Supreme Court MoCo Ruling

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how forcing Muslim families to let their children read books normalizing gay families as a condition of access to a public education is "welcoming" or "holding hands." It's distinctly hostile to them, basically secular imperialism of religious households.

Libs screwed themselves pushing for Muslim immigration lolz times 100!

Now Hispanics hate taxes, LBGTQ, abortion are embracing evangelical churches and voting for Trump. Talk about trojan horse !! Lolz times a million.

I love how MAGA uses Muslims in their arguments all while plotting to deport them. 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:This will be a short post, I just need to vent. The MoCo ruling was a slap in the face to the public education system. First with vouchers then with this, MAGA is attempting to destroy public schooling in America. I honestly feel hopeless about this. Is there anything I can do besides give up?

No, it was not a slap in the face to the school system.

It was a victory for parent rights. Why should children have to be exposed to concepts that are not age appropriate? What is wrong with allowing parents to opt their kids out of such instruction?

“Concepts that are not age appropriate” like marriage and families? Because most kids will be exposed to those concepts pretty early…

Yes, but in a more subversive way. Tbf, if my first grader had to read a book focusing on a marriage between a man and woman, I wouldn't be comfortable with that, either.

You mean like every happily ever after after fairy tale?

Can you name a fairy tale where the primary activity is a wedding? That's like grooming children to be child brides.

How many stories have you read where in the end a gay couple is happily married? Even if the rest of the story is about working as a housekeeper to a household of men, working as a housekeeper to a mean family, getting exited about going to a party, getting kissed by a man while unconscious, getting saved by a man while trapped in a tower, etc, etc.
Don't be dense. Children are plied with stories of women needing to be saved and having a happy marriage to men as the end all be all. Being read a couple of stories about happy gay couples and trans kids - who exist as classmates and their families - is not going to cause irreparable harm, as much as Alito wants you to believe.

That is the dominant value system in the US and the world. The public schools do not have a right to try to reshape the values of the youth against their parents protest.

Do you not understand that you are trying to implement the same "settler colonialism" that you also rail against? Traditional cultures have a right to persist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how forcing Muslim families to let their children read books normalizing gay families as a condition of access to a public education is "welcoming" or "holding hands." It's distinctly hostile to them, basically secular imperialism of religious households.

Libs screwed themselves pushing for Muslim immigration lolz times 100!

Now Hispanics hate taxes, LBGTQ, abortion are embracing evangelical churches and voting for Trump. Talk about trojan horse !! Lolz times a million.

I love how MAGA uses Muslims in their arguments all while plotting to deport them. 🙄

Muslims in the US are rarely illegal. So nope.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will be a short post, I just need to vent. The MoCo ruling was a slap in the face to the public education system. First with vouchers then with this, MAGA is attempting to destroy public schooling in America. I honestly feel hopeless about this. Is there anything I can do besides give up?

No, it was not a slap in the face to the school system.

It was a victory for parent rights. Why should children have to be exposed to concepts that are not age appropriate? What is wrong with allowing parents to opt their kids out of such instruction?

Because those concepts are treat by you as inferior or less than. They are not and pretending they don't exist is ignorant and bigoted. If you want to raise your kids in a "parents rights" bubble where you can control everything, then you need to homeschool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will be a short post, I just need to vent. The MoCo ruling was a slap in the face to the public education system. First with vouchers then with this, MAGA is attempting to destroy public schooling in America. I honestly feel hopeless about this. Is there anything I can do besides give up?

No, it was not a slap in the face to the school system.

It was a victory for parent rights. Why should children have to be exposed to concepts that are not age appropriate? What is wrong with allowing parents to opt their kids out of such instruction?

“Concepts that are not age appropriate” like marriage and families? Because most kids will be exposed to those concepts pretty early…

Yes, but in a more subversive way. Tbf, if my first grader had to read a book focusing on a marriage between a man and woman, I wouldn't be comfortable with that, either.

You mean like every happily ever after after fairy tale?

Can you name a fairy tale where the primary activity is a wedding? That's like grooming children to be child brides.

How many stories have you read where in the end a gay couple is happily married? Even if the rest of the story is about working as a housekeeper to a household of men, working as a housekeeper to a mean family, getting exited about going to a party, getting kissed by a man while unconscious, getting saved by a man while trapped in a tower, etc, etc.
Don't be dense. Children are plied with stories of women needing to be saved and having a happy marriage to men as the end all be all. Being read a couple of stories about happy gay couples and trans kids - who exist as classmates and their families - is not going to cause irreparable harm, as much as Alito wants you to believe.

That is the dominant value system in the US and the world. The public schools do not have a right to try to reshape the values of the youth against their parents protest.

Do you not understand that you are trying to implement the same "settler colonialism" that you also rail against? Traditional cultures have a right to persist.

Awwww MAGA's finally understand colonialism, after years of being deliberately obtuse. At least now we know you all are lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how forcing Muslim families to let their children read books normalizing gay families as a condition of access to a public education is "welcoming" or "holding hands." It's distinctly hostile to them, basically secular imperialism of religious households.

Then they can go to parochial schools. That bigotry is hostile to me and my beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Honest question here because I am well versed in the law as it relates to this decision. Does this mean that a Holocaust-denying familiy can opt their high school student out of a history class unit on the Holocaust? As a former HS history teacher, this frightens me. A lot. What do we do with that student over the several weeks of study of this topic? It is not one book or a one-day lesson plan.

I guess they go to study hall and read military history books about WWII???

What about evolution? That's another one where families may want to opt out.

This will turn into a logistical nightmare for the schools and teachers.

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PP here. Correction - I am NOT well versed in the law!

[Anonymous]

Diehard liberal here. I've never understood what's wrong with opt-out--it's freedom to choose when a child is exposed to certain concepts. (Don't worry--they'll get exposed, just not in the early grades). I remember when sex ed was folded into biology and notes went home to parents about which dates sex would be discussed. About 3 kids from a class of 30 left the classroom for the library. So what. MCPS poked a hornet's nest with this one. They should have let it be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will be a short post, I just need to vent. The MoCo ruling was a slap in the face to the public education system. First with vouchers then with this, MAGA is attempting to destroy public schooling in America. I honestly feel hopeless about this. Is there anything I can do besides give up?

No, it was not a slap in the face to the school system.

It was a victory for parent rights. Why should children have to be exposed to concepts that are not age appropriate? What is wrong with allowing parents to opt their kids out of such instruction?

“Concepts that are not age appropriate” like marriage and families? Because most kids will be exposed to those concepts pretty early…

Yes, but in a more subversive way. Tbf, if my first grader had to read a book focusing on a marriage between a man and woman, I wouldn't be comfortable with that, either.

You mean like every happily ever after after fairy tale?

Can you name a fairy tale where the primary activity is a wedding? That's like grooming children to be child brides.

How many stories have you read where in the end a gay couple is happily married? Even if the rest of the story is about working as a housekeeper to a household of men, working as a housekeeper to a mean family, getting exited about going to a party, getting kissed by a man while unconscious, getting saved by a man while trapped in a tower, etc, etc.
Don't be dense. Children are plied with stories of women needing to be saved and having a happy marriage to men as the end all be all. Being read a couple of stories about happy gay couples and trans kids - who exist as classmates and their families - is not going to cause irreparable harm, as much as Alito wants you to believe.

There was no book like that in the curriculum. The objectionable books are specifically about being gay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will be a short post, I just need to vent. The MoCo ruling was a slap in the face to the public education system. First with vouchers then with this, MAGA is attempting to destroy public schooling in America. I honestly feel hopeless about this. Is there anything I can do besides give up?

No, it was not a slap in the face to the school system.

It was a victory for parent rights. Why should children have to be exposed to concepts that are not age appropriate? What is wrong with allowing parents to opt their kids out of such instruction?

“Concepts that are not age appropriate” like marriage and families? Because most kids will be exposed to those concepts pretty early…

Yes, but in a more subversive way. Tbf, if my first grader had to read a book focusing on a marriage between a man and woman, I wouldn't be comfortable with that, either.

You mean like every happily ever after after fairy tale?

Can you name a fairy tale where the primary activity is a wedding? That's like grooming children to be child brides.

Hah- like all the Disney movies the goal of the heroine is to be sweet and beautiful enough to get married- Cinderella, sleeping beauty, little mermaid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will be a short post, I just need to vent. The MoCo ruling was a slap in the face to the public education system. First with vouchers then with this, MAGA is attempting to destroy public schooling in America. I honestly feel hopeless about this. Is there anything I can do besides give up?

No, it was not a slap in the face to the school system.

It was a victory for parent rights. Why should children have to be exposed to concepts that are not age appropriate? What is wrong with allowing parents to opt their kids out of such instruction?

“Concepts that are not age appropriate” like marriage and families? Because most kids will be exposed to those concepts pretty early…

Yes, but in a more subversive way. Tbf, if my first grader had to read a book focusing on a marriage between a man and woman, I wouldn't be comfortable with that, either.

You mean like every happily ever after after fairy tale?

Can you name a fairy tale where the primary activity is a wedding? That's like grooming children to be child brides.

Hah- like all the Disney movies the goal of the heroine is to be sweet and beautiful enough to get married- Cinderella, sleeping beauty, little mermaid.

None of those are taught in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honest question here because I am well versed in the law as it relates to this decision. Does this mean that a Holocaust-denying familiy can opt their high school student out of a history class unit on the Holocaust? As a former HS history teacher, this frightens me. A lot. What do we do with that student over the several weeks of study of this topic? It is not one book or a one-day lesson plan.

I guess they go to study hall and read military history books about WWII???

What about evolution? That's another one where families may want to opt out.

This will turn into a logistical nightmare for the schools and teachers.

Yes, you are right. Sotomayor's dissent is along these lines. It is puzzling that in the past, religious parents have failed when they tried to use free exercise as an excuse to get their kids opted out of classes that taught evolutionary theory, that taught about women who have achieved success outside the home, and that read stories about wizards and imaginary animals. But with this massive expansion of Yoder, there is a good chance that parents can choose to have their kids opt out of a lot of instruction based on religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honest question here because I am well versed in the law as it relates to this decision. Does this mean that a Holocaust-denying familiy can opt their high school student out of a history class unit on the Holocaust? As a former HS history teacher, this frightens me. A lot. What do we do with that student over the several weeks of study of this topic? It is not one book or a one-day lesson plan.

I guess they go to study hall and read military history books about WWII???

What about evolution? That's another one where families may want to opt out.

This will turn into a logistical nightmare for the schools and teachers.

Yes, you are right. Sotomayor's dissent is along these lines. It is puzzling that in the past, religious parents have failed when they tried to use free exercise as an excuse to get their kids opted out of classes that taught evolutionary theory, that taught about women who have achieved success outside the home, and that read stories about wizards and imaginary animals. But with this massive expansion of Yoder, there is a good chance that parents can choose to have their kids opt out of a lot of instruction based on religious beliefs.

And yes, it will be a logistical nightmare, especially for teachers of younger children who need direct supervision during opt outs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will be a short post, I just need to vent. The MoCo ruling was a slap in the face to the public education system. First with vouchers then with this, MAGA is attempting to destroy public schooling in America. I honestly feel hopeless about this. Is there anything I can do besides give up?

No, it was not a slap in the face to the school system.

It was a victory for parent rights. Why should children have to be exposed to concepts that are not age appropriate? What is wrong with allowing parents to opt their kids out of such instruction?

“Concepts that are not age appropriate” like marriage and families? Because most kids will be exposed to those concepts pretty early…

You mean like telling kids it’s totally normal to change genders. Sorry, but gender and sexuality aren’t topics to be “taught” by public school elementary teachers. How about sticking to math, science, reading, writing, grammar. Most kids are not meeting grade level expectations in these core subjects- absolutely zero need to waste time on social justice, gender ideology, LGBTQ topics for these young children. That is the job of the parents anyhow.