Which colleges are as good as HYPMS…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

Anything in top 50 works.

Was coming here to say this - except I was thinking top 30 LAC and top 30 universities. It’s really shades of grey across those in terms of academic rigor and quality education - obviously the big names have more well known alum, faculty, and name recognition.

The biggest problem you run into is that if you go to a top 30 or 50 school odds are the HR screener went to a community college. That person will recognize Harvard but maybe not Bates nor necessarily know that Johns Hopkins or Notre Dame are great school. In my personal life I basically know no one who didn’t go to a top school. Professionally, I can 90% of the time tell if someone went to a tier 3-4 school in just brief interactions.

You’ll get a quality education at most of the top 30-50ish, maybe even better depending on major than at the highest ranked schools, but there are obviously other factors that make those top ranked school more desirable and peerless.

Insufferable. Guess you haven't met many tech CEOs who went to tier 3-4 schools. For tech, state flagships are the better places than any of the top 30 lac.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

Anything in top 50 works.

Was coming here to say this - except I was thinking top 30 LAC and top 30 universities. It’s really shades of grey across those in terms of academic rigor and quality education - obviously the big names have more well known alum, faculty, and name recognition.

The biggest problem you run into is that if you go to a top 30 or 50 school odds are the HR screener went to a community college. That person will recognize Harvard but maybe not Bates nor necessarily know that Johns Hopkins or Notre Dame are great school. In my personal life I basically know no one who didn’t go to a top school. Professionally, I can 90% of the time tell if someone went to a tier 3-4 school in just brief interactions.

You’ll get a quality education at most of the top 30-50ish, maybe even better depending on major than at the highest ranked schools, but there are obviously other factors that make those top ranked school more desirable and peerless.

Insufferable. Guess you haven't met many tech CEOs who went to tier 3-4 schools. For tech, state flagships are the better places than any of the top 30 lac.

It’s not insufferable. I said 90%, presumably a tech ceo could comfortably sit in the top 10%.

Many state flagships are highly ranked. LAC and universities are ranked separately because… wait for it… they’re different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

Anything in top 50 works.

Was coming here to say this - except I was thinking top 30 LAC and top 30 universities. It’s really shades of grey across those in terms of academic rigor and quality education - obviously the big names have more well known alum, faculty, and name recognition.

The biggest problem you run into is that if you go to a top 30 or 50 school odds are the HR screener went to a community college. That person will recognize Harvard but maybe not Bates nor necessarily know that Johns Hopkins or Notre Dame are great school. In my personal life I basically know no one who didn’t go to a top school. Professionally, I can 90% of the time tell if someone went to a tier 3-4 school in just brief interactions.

You’ll get a quality education at most of the top 30-50ish, maybe even better depending on major than at the highest ranked schools, but there are obviously other factors that make those top ranked school more desirable and peerless.

Bates in a same sentence with Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and Notre Dame? ...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WASP

Of potential interest, Rice appears in this Princeton Review survey-based site, "Their Students Love These Colleges":

https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/?rankings=their-students-love-these-colleges

Is there one Rice poster in this thread or multiple posters? My kid is headed there in the fall, so I'm not complaining about the Rice love, just a little surprised by it.

[Anonymous]

OP wants schools as good as HYPSM without the brand name or recognition. All the suggestions like Mudd or Brown have recognized names. Surely DCUM can do better and give OP a great unrecognized school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

Anything in top 50 works.

Was coming here to say this - except I was thinking top 30 LAC and top 30 universities. It’s really shades of grey across those in terms of academic rigor and quality education - obviously the big names have more well known alum, faculty, and name recognition.

The biggest problem you run into is that if you go to a top 30 or 50 school odds are the HR screener went to a community college. That person will recognize Harvard but maybe not Bates nor necessarily know that Johns Hopkins or Notre Dame are great school. In my personal life I basically know no one who didn’t go to a top school. Professionally, I can 90% of the time tell if someone went to a tier 3-4 school in just brief interactions.

You’ll get a quality education at most of the top 30-50ish, maybe even better depending on major than at the highest ranked schools, but there are obviously other factors that make those top ranked school more desirable and peerless.

Bates in a same sentence with Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and Notre Dame? ...

Different poster. Bates is a great school. The whole point of this thread is what other colleges are good.

[Anonymous]

The inherent, inescapable dilemma faced by a site like DCUM is that a significant percentage of its commenters think that US News is an infallible holy writ. In their minds, good schools outside the T20 cannot exist; if they were so good, surely they’d be in the top 20!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The key is in the kid, not in the school. If that kid has all it takes, they will stand out in the real world no matter the SAME kid goes to T5 or T5000.

Thank you! The voice of reason has spoken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP wants schools as good as HYPSM without the brand name or recognition. All the suggestions like Mudd or Brown have recognized names. Surely DCUM can do better and give OP a great unrecognized school.

I had never heard of Harvey Mudd until I started browsing this board last year. I’m from the east coast and have always lived here and don’t work in Tech. Brown I agree is really well known.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody separates the Ivies like the psychos on dcum. lol They are all regarded highly, as are the other T10/20s.

Ha! Yes, only in DCUM are all Ivies superior.

[Anonymous]

HYPSM is made up. Only sad strivers would use this label.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well those are the top ones, OP.

Other good universities:

*Rest of the Ivies
'*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Notre Dame
*BC
*Vanderbilt
*Good state universities- Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, U Mich, U WI, U TX, WM
*Williams
*Amherst
*Swarthmore
*Pomona
*Middlebury
Many others

+1
I'd add Bowdoin and Carleton to this list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well those are the top ones, OP.

Other good universities:

*Rest of the Ivies
'*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Notre Dame
*BC
*Vanderbilt
*Good state universities- Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, U Mich, U WI, U TX, WM
*Williams
*Amherst
*Swarthmore
*Pomona
*Middlebury
Many others

+1
I'd add Bowdoin and Carleton to this list.

Umm. No

[Anonymous]

See this discussion: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1265655.page

According to Forbes, not only are these schools comparable in quality to the ivies, they are preferred by some employers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP wants schools as good as HYPSM without the brand name or recognition. All the suggestions like Mudd or Brown have recognized names. Surely DCUM can do better and give OP a great unrecognized school.

Sure…because unrecognized schools somehow have great networks and career outcomes even though almost nobody has heard of it.

What OP is after doesn’t exist. Harvey Mudd is probably the closest (but would imagine you do need to play the REA/ED game).

A school like Rose Hulman has good career outcomes and not super selective…but it doesn’t have a huge network and won’t provide the career optionality of the usual suspects.