Which colleges are as good as HYPMS…

[Anonymous]

Who cares what the people in Walmart think? It’s not like they know about quality education.

[Anonymous]

What sad commentary on where parents perspectives are these days. Though it is reassuring that the only people who absolutely must sort all schools from top to bottom, no matter the hair splitting involved, are those who post here. No one else is as hung up on the nonsensical US News rankings as gospel as you loons are.

[Anonymous]

I’m the OP. I didn’t mean to start a fight on which colleges are deserving of prestige and which are not. I was simply thinking HYPMS are so impossible to get into due to their quality teaching, opportunities, outcomes, campus experience, etc. but also due to the prestige. Our DC doesn’t care about the prestige so I was wondering which other schools are comparable where an ED/REA could be better used.

It’s basically like asking which bags are of the same quality as a Hermes bc I only care about having the highest quality bag, I don’t want to pay extra $15k for the same quality bag + the Hermes logo.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, but you’ll never get DCUMers to agree on what constitutes a “highest quality bag,” let alone who makes them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares what the people in Walmart think? It’s not like they know about quality education.

Be careful about making assumptions about people outside your bubble. We’re all guilty of being ignorant about the world outside our respective bubbles (UMC, Asian, East Coast, New England, Silicon Valley, white, old money, new money, tech immigrant, fed employee, soccer mom, URM, etc.) Let’s try not to be that way. People and their bubbles are complex. The cashier at Wal-Mart may be pushing her kids towards college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who cares what the people in Walmart think? It’s not like they know about quality education.

Be careful about making assumptions about people outside your bubble. We’re all guilty of being ignorant about the world outside our respective bubbles (UMC, Asian, East Coast, New England, Silicon Valley, white, old money, new money, tech immigrant, fed employee, soccer mom, URM, etc.) Let’s try not to be that way. People and their bubbles are complex. The cashier at Wal-Mart may be pushing her kids towards college.

This. One of my best friend’s mother was the checkout lady at Walmart in a town most of you would look down on and my friend worked there as a bag boy throughout high school. His parents never went past 9th grade. He went on to get 2 degrees at HYP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

Since you did not indicate geographical preference i would add:

Oxford
Cambridge
Imperial
LSE
St Andrews
UCL
Edinburgh

+1

[Anonymous]

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lol, I have a kid at Middlebury as well. One who turned down MIT and was recruited by multiple Ivies.

I turned down Harvard, Princeton for Colby. My kid was recruited by Ivies and Stanford but chose Vassar. We don't care for prestige, only untruths.

I’m not sure about your untruths but mine made their choice for very specific reasons. Decided that they didn’t want to play D1 because they wanted a more typical college experience so that meant that the two Ivies were out. They also wanted to play and it might take a couple of year at the D1 level. They didn’t feel like MIT was a fit after their visit and figured a sure thing was better than a 60% chance with coach support.

Many kids aren’t as shallow as the parents and kids on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

lol, I have a kid at Middlebury as well. One who turned down MIT and was recruited by multiple Ivies.

I turned down Harvard, Princeton for Colby. My kid was recruited by Ivies and Stanford but chose Vassar. We don't care for prestige, only untruths.

I’m not sure about your untruths but mine made their choice for very specific reasons. Decided that they didn’t want to play D1 because they wanted a more typical college experience so that meant that the two Ivies were out. They also wanted to play and it might take a couple of year at the D1 level. They didn’t feel like MIT was a fit after their visit and figured a sure thing was better than a 60% chance with coach support.

Many kids aren’t as shallow as the parents and kids on DCUM.

sure you did

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 LACs are not equal to T25 colleges. Pomona/Wellesley are the same level as Georgetown/Emory.

You are nonsensical and stupid…..enough said

The PP is correct. Based on pre-TO data the SAT range for students at Gtown/Emory is around the same as Pomona/Wellesley. The top SAT lacs, WAS, are a little higher but not ivy/stanford/duke level. Lacs around top15 correlate to T30 unis. Only the top3 lacs are on par w T20 as far as peer group. A lot is because of the high percentage of athletes at WAS compared to ivies and the standards are lower. The non-recruited peers are about the same. However when 1/3 of the school is recruited athletes with lower scores it dilutes the average peer group and can slightly affect the classroom. Or it can be seen as an advantage for the non-recruits at williams: guaranteed bottom group on curved classes.

That would be true only if one is foolish enough to believe that there is a real difference between kids scoring in the 97th percentile and the 99th percentile on the the SAT. But ther actually isn’t a measurable difference and the curve of scores and GPAs actually overlap for the majority of the student bodies at any of these schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 20 LACs are not equal to T25 colleges. Pomona/Wellesley are the same level as Georgetown/Emory.

You are nonsensical and stupid…..enough said

The PP is correct. Based on pre-TO data the SAT range for students at Gtown/Emory is around the same as Pomona/Wellesley. The top SAT lacs, WAS, are a little higher but not ivy/stanford/duke level. Lacs around top15 correlate to T30 unis. Only the top3 lacs are on par w T20 as far as peer group. A lot is because of the high percentage of athletes at WAS compared to ivies and the standards are lower. The non-recruited peers are about the same. However when 1/3 of the school is recruited athletes with lower scores it dilutes the average peer group and can slightly affect the classroom. Or it can be seen as an advantage for the non-recruits at williams: guaranteed bottom group on curved classes.

That would be true only if one is foolish enough to believe that there is a real difference between kids scoring in the 97th percentile and the 99th percentile on the the SAT. But ther actually isn’t a measurable difference and the curve of scores and GPAs actually overlap for the majority of the student bodies at any of these schools.

Professor here. There is a difference when the college average is 1400 vs 1500. It is most noticeable in stem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 20 LACs are not equal to T25 colleges. Pomona/Wellesley are the same level as Georgetown/Emory.

You are nonsensical and stupid…..enough said

The PP is correct. Based on pre-TO data the SAT range for students at Gtown/Emory is around the same as Pomona/Wellesley. The top SAT lacs, WAS, are a little higher but not ivy/stanford/duke level. Lacs around top15 correlate to T30 unis. Only the top3 lacs are on par w T20 as far as peer group. A lot is because of the high percentage of athletes at WAS compared to ivies and the standards are lower. The non-recruited peers are about the same. However when 1/3 of the school is recruited athletes with lower scores it dilutes the average peer group and can slightly affect the classroom. Or it can be seen as an advantage for the non-recruits at williams: guaranteed bottom group on curved classes.

That would be true only if one is foolish enough to believe that there is a real difference between kids scoring in the 97th percentile and the 99th percentile on the the SAT. But ther actually isn’t a measurable difference and the curve of scores and GPAs actually overlap for the majority of the student bodies at any of these schools.

Professor here. There is a difference when the college average is 1400 vs 1500. It is most noticeable in stem.

Also depends on how many submit. I would guess that a test required college with a 1400 average has “better” students than a 1500 average with 30% submitting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy. This one is going to be a long thread.

And it always comes up : an ivy-adjacent school thread.

Univ of Maryland Global Campus.
You are welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvey Mudd? Insiders know it's great, but normies have never heard of it and the name sounds sus to them. A true stealth school: zero branding with a silly name, so undetected by normie radar.

Part of why no one really considers it. Better for the rest who knows of it.

[Anonymous]

The Cooper Union