Which colleges are as good as HYPMS…

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lol, I have a kid at Middlebury as well. One who turned down MIT and was recruited by multiple Ivies.

I turned down Harvard, Princeton for Colby. My kid was recruited by Ivies and Stanford but chose Vassar. We don't care for prestige, only untruths.

I’m not sure about your untruths but mine made their choice for very specific reasons. Decided that they didn’t want to play D1 because they wanted a more typical college experience so that meant that the two Ivies were out. They also wanted to play and it might take a couple of year at the D1 level. They didn’t feel like MIT was a fit after their visit and figured a sure thing was better than a 60% chance with coach support.

Many kids aren’t as shallow as the parents and kids on DCUM.

sure you did

It’s ok Karen. Kids with 1560 SATs and 4.6GPAs who play on teams ranked in the top 10 in the country do the choosing in the end. I’m sure your kid is loving their experience at Towson.

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Cedarville University

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

UChicago for rigor, faculty, research opportunities.

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Williams

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 LACs are not equal to T25 colleges. Pomona/Wellesley are the same level as Georgetown/Emory.

You are nonsensical and stupid…..enough said

The PP is correct. Based on pre-TO data the SAT range for students at Gtown/Emory is around the same as Pomona/Wellesley. The top SAT lacs, WAS, are a little higher but not ivy/stanford/duke level. Lacs around top15 correlate to T30 unis. Only the top3 lacs are on par w T20 as far as peer group. A lot is because of the high percentage of athletes at WAS compared to ivies and the standards are lower. The non-recruited peers are about the same. However when 1/3 of the school is recruited athletes with lower scores it dilutes the average peer group and can slightly affect the classroom. Or it can be seen as an advantage for the non-recruits at williams: guaranteed bottom group on curved classes.

That would be true only if one is foolish enough to believe that there is a real difference between kids scoring in the 97th percentile and the 99th percentile on the the SAT. But ther actually isn’t a measurable difference and the curve of scores and GPAs actually overlap for the majority of the student bodies at any of these schools.

Professor here. There is a difference when the college average is 1400 vs 1500. It is most noticeable in stem.

Professor of what?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP. I didn’t mean to start a fight on which colleges are deserving of prestige and which are not. I was simply thinking HYPMS are so impossible to get into due to their quality teaching, opportunities, outcomes, campus experience, etc. but also due to the prestige. Our DC doesn’t care about the prestige so I was wondering which other schools are comparable where an ED/REA could be better used.

It’s basically like asking which bags are of the same quality as a Hermes bc I only care about having the highest quality bag, I don’t want to pay extra $15k for the same quality bag + the Hermes logo.

They’re not any more expensive than 100 other expensive schools, so it’s not like Hermes.

But the biggest thing ivies have going for them is prestige and cachet. Your child will be forever able to coyly say “oh I went to college in the Boston area” and force people to ask follow ups to get to Harvard. It’s not nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP. I didn’t mean to start a fight on which colleges are deserving of prestige and which are not. I was simply thinking HYPMS are so impossible to get into due to their quality teaching, opportunities, outcomes, campus experience, etc. but also due to the prestige. Our DC doesn’t care about the prestige so I was wondering which other schools are comparable where an ED/REA could be better used.

It’s basically like asking which bags are of the same quality as a Hermes bc I only care about having the highest quality bag, I don’t want to pay extra $15k for the same quality bag + the Hermes logo.

Even your analogy unfortunately is poor.

If you are able to buy a Birkin bag then you can immediately walk out the door and sell it to an online reseller for 3x what you just paid. They in turn will seek it for 2x to 3x for what they just paid you.

So…you aren’t paying extra for your Hermes bag…you are making an extremely wise investment and you basically won the lottery just for the opportunity to plunk down your cash to buy it.

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

There have been many studies that look at outcomes at elites vs other schools. The elite schools that show superior outcomes are the so called ivy-plus schools defined by many studies as the 8 ivies plus Stanford MIT Duke UChicago.

10 of these 12 schools also happen to all have top SAT ranges in the pre-test optional era, with the note that Columbia never released SAT ranges when they were required and UChcago has been test optional for a long time.

Again - Duke?
U Chicago?
as ivy plus?
They are very very good privates.
Someone takw away ivy label of the 8, it's not 1600s if y'all didn't know.

What do 1600s have to do with anything?