which of these schools for ed1?

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid got into all of those schools RD, which would he pick?

at the moment, he doesnt have a front runner. he'll spend a lot more time this summer doing research. we've visited each.

Broaden up the scope in your campus visit to include at least a couple of national universities. Johns Hopkins for one, which has some significant ED1/ED2 advantage. Our schools sent a few ED there every year. Northwestern also has a top philosophy department, ED advantage is real there.

Sounds like OP’s kid is (wisely) seeking to ED1 to a school that he likes, not just looking for a prestigious school he can get into. If the kid has visited and liked SLACs, then he’s correct in focusing his ED1 choices on those schools.

No. OP said he has not visited. Right now he just has some vague ideas about a bunch of prestigious schools. He needs to have some contrast in getting perspective about slacs. OP is asking for ED choices. Some PPs correctly pointed out Wasb do not have ED advantages.

She said he visited.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid got into all of those schools RD, which would he pick?

at the moment, he doesnt have a front runner. he'll spend a lot more time this summer doing research. we've visited each.

They’ve visited !!!!!!

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Do CSS at Wesleyan. It’s an amazing, rigourous interdisciplinary program that includes philosophy. College of Social Studies. Know profs very well.

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There are different philosophies and some might say you would be “wasting” your ED on those schools since it’s still unlikely to get in (not because he’s not qualified or wouldn’t do well there, it’s just that many qualified students who would do well at those schools are rejected.)

I left it up to my kid and he used ED for someplace that it gave a boost-he liked the school and he was thrilled to be one and done. He’s not the type to wonder about or pine for what-ifs though and if your kid is like that (or doesn’t like someplace he’s likely to have a better chance of with ED) then go for it.

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Anonymous wrote:There are different philosophies and some might say you would be “wasting” your ED on those schools since it’s still unlikely to get in (not because he’s not qualified or wouldn’t do well there, it’s just that many qualified students who would do well at those schools are rejected.)

I left it up to my kid and he used ED for someplace that it gave a boost-he liked the school and he was thrilled to be one and done. He’s not the type to wonder about or pine for what-ifs though and if your kid is like that (or doesn’t like someplace he’s likely to have a better chance of with ED) then go for it.

Remind me of the Chicago kid and his mom a few weeks ago. The Chicago kid is like your kid, choosing Chicago for the ED boost. But the mom was not happy.

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid got into all of those schools RD, which would he pick?

at the moment, he doesnt have a front runner. he'll spend a lot more time this summer doing research. we've visited each.

Broaden up the scope in your campus visit to include at least a couple of national universities. Johns Hopkins for one, which has some significant ED1/ED2 advantage. Our schools sent a few ED there every year. Northwestern also has a top philosophy department, ED advantage is real there.

For what reason? If the boy enjoys liberal arts colleges, no necessity to go to a research university, especially in a field like Philosophy. No one suggests LACs when people's lists are entirely Research universities.

OP said DC hasn't done campus visit yet, it's all very premature.
As long as it a good fit, I don't think one should care it's a lac or a research university.
Quite honest, I don't get it when folks say it's hard for one to love both Penn and Williams.

OP sorry if I was unclear - "we've visited each" means we have done campus visits to these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

The order in which you listed the student’s qualifications is very telling. Full pay first? I always laugh at that because you seem to be suggesting that because you’re rich you’re getting an edge. These schools all have huge endowments and are need blind. No one cares about your ability to pay. It is such a sense of entitlement to suggest otherwise. You can’t buy everything.

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Anonymous wrote:For a lightly subscribed major such as philosophy, you may want to consider the size of the philosophy communities at potential choices. As a rough indicator for this, these are the numbers of graduating first majors in philosophy in a recent year (e.g., https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=Claremont+McKenna&s=all&id=112260#programs) for the schools you have named along with two others that have been suggested:

Hamilton: 11
Wesleyan: 10
Amherst: 8
Middlebury: 8
Pomona: 7
CMC: 6
Williams: 4
Bowdoin: 3

To add, here's the size of each college
Hamilton: 2053 (0.5%)
Wesleyan: 3000 (0.33%)
Amherst:1914 (0.4%)
Middlebury: 2800 (0.29%)
Pomona: 1732 (0.4%)
CMC: 1381 (0.4%)
Williams: 2101 (0.19%)
Bowdoin: 2044 (0.15%)

With these percentages, the order then appears like this:

Hamilton
CMC
Amherst
Pomona
Wesleyan
Middlebury
Williams
Bowdoin

OP we toured all these and removed Hamilton and Amherst from the lists. Wes is a step below top choices (right now), and another decision will be if he does ED2 to Wes if ED1 doesnt work out or play it out in RD. probably the latter but not sure.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid got into all of those schools RD, which would he pick?

at the moment, he doesnt have a front runner. he'll spend a lot more time this summer doing research. we've visited each.

Broaden up the scope in your campus visit to include at least a couple of national universities. Johns Hopkins for one, which has some significant ED1/ED2 advantage. Our schools sent a few ED there every year. Northwestern also has a top philosophy department, ED advantage is real there.

Sounds like OP’s kid is (wisely) seeking to ED1 to a school that he likes, not just looking for a prestigious school he can get into. If the kid has visited and liked SLACs, then he’s correct in focusing his ED1 choices on those schools.

No. OP said he has not visited. Right now he just has some vague ideas about a bunch of prestigious schools. He needs to have some contrast in getting perspective about slacs. OP is asking for ED choices. Some PPs correctly pointed out Wasb do not have ED advantages.

LOLOLOLOLOL what a doofus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

The order in which you listed the student’s qualifications is very telling. Full pay first? I always laugh at that because you seem to be suggesting that because you’re rich you’re getting an edge. These schools all have huge endowments and are need blind. No one cares about your ability to pay. It is such a sense of entitlement to suggest otherwise. You can’t buy everything.

OP said full pay to limit the conversation to admissions strategy and not financial strategy of doing ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

The order in which you listed the student’s qualifications is very telling. Full pay first? I always laugh at that because you seem to be suggesting that because you’re rich you’re getting an edge. These schools all have huge endowments and are need blind. No one cares about your ability to pay. It is such a sense of entitlement to suggest otherwise. You can’t buy everything.

OP said full pay to limit the conversation to admissions strategy and not financial strategy of doing ED.

Uh huh, sure. Followed by “feeder private school” as number 2. Then she started talking about the actual kid.

Get real.

[Anonymous]

Our school's limited data, no one has EDed at WASP for years. Ask your school counselor, they will tell you the same. The ED admits at these schools are dominantly institutional priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

The order in which you listed the student’s qualifications is very telling. Full pay first? I always laugh at that because you seem to be suggesting that because you’re rich you’re getting an edge. These schools all have huge endowments and are need blind. No one cares about your ability to pay. It is such a sense of entitlement to suggest otherwise. You can’t buy everything.

OP said full pay to limit the conversation to admissions strategy and not financial strategy of doing ED.

Uh huh, sure. Followed by “feeder private school” as number 2. Then she started talking about the actual kid.

Get real.

OP said feeder private to get away from 3.8. which is a dealbreaker GPA from a lot of schools but not ours (although it's not a killer gpa). also, context comes first imo. but whatever.

appreciate others' thoughts. I'm having a hard time finding a way to pull athletic recruiting numbers out of ED numbers to understand if there's any real strategy.

I'm less concerned about low Phil majors at some of these places. Maybe I should be, but I think all have robust *enough* programs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not the best liberal arts college in the country: Amherst College. I'm not even sure CMC has a philosophy program-definitely not at the level of Amherst-where students get into top grad schools every year

Best laugh of the day. Thanks, PP.

In the world of philosophy, Amherst’s name is worth gold. I don’t think grad schools even know what “Pamona” or Claremont men’s college are. Great maybe if you want to teach at cal poly or something.

Is the irony intentional?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

This is a tough one. I would ED1 to CMC. It will help and it is a far more desirable outcome than Midd or Wes, where kid is likely headed after a likely ED1 rejection from Williams, Bowdoin, or Pomona.