which of these schools for ed1?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The weird trolls trying to force op’s kid into a university confuse me as to why they go on these threads.

OP, I’d seriously look at CMC.

NP to this thread. Your anger is irrational and unwarranted as posters are trying to present options to a curious parent.

I, too, would encourage OP's student to consider some National Universities due to the tiny number of students studying philosophy at each of the listed LACs. Plus, a graduate dept. in philosophy should give OP's son more options and better access & understanding of career paths because of the vastly greater number of philosophy students at elite National Universities.

I visiting the Chicago area, it would be easy for OP's student to visit both U Chicago & Northwestern University and make an appointment with the head of each school's philosophy dept. For one intending to apply ED, there are significant advantages to applying ED at either of U Chicago or Northwestern University. LAC ED1 tends to be dominated by recruited athletes at most of the top rated LACs.

Curious as to why Swarthmore College has not been mentioned in this thread (maybe I missed it if it has been).

OP: Also consider the more practical major of P,P,&E (Politics, Philosophy, & Economics) which is offered at several elite colleges & universities.

OP: Here is a list that ranks (2024) undergraduate philosophy programs in a combined ranking of both National Universities and LACs (highest ranked LAC is Wesleyan University at #34):

https://philosophy-colleges.com

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

This is a tough one. I would ED1 to CMC. It will help and it is a far more desirable outcome than Midd or Wes, where kid is likely headed after a likely ED1 rejection from Williams, Bowdoin, or Pomona.

CMC is a great school but the idea that it is "a far more desirable outcome than Midd or Wes" is laughable.

(Not the poster whose comment you responded to.)

CMC has outstanding employment outcomes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The weird trolls trying to force op’s kid into a university confuse me as to why they go on these threads.

OP, I’d seriously look at CMC.

NP to this thread. Your anger is irrational and unwarranted as posters are trying to present options to a curious parent.

I, too, would encourage OP's student to consider some National Universities due to the tiny number of students studying philosophy at each of the listed LACs. Plus, a graduate dept. in philosophy should give OP's son more options and better access & understanding of career paths because of the vastly greater number of philosophy students at elite National Universities.

I visiting the Chicago area, it would be easy for OP's student to visit both U Chicago & Northwestern University and make an appointment with the head of each school's philosophy dept. For one intending to apply ED, there are significant advantages to applying ED at either of U Chicago or Northwestern University. LAC ED1 tends to be dominated by recruited athletes at most of the top rated LACs.

Curious as to why Swarthmore College has not been mentioned in this thread (maybe I missed it if it has been).

OP: Also consider the more practical major of P,P,&E (Politics, Philosophy, & Economics) which is offered at several elite colleges & universities.

OP: Here is a list that ranks (2024) undergraduate philosophy programs in a combined ranking of both National Universities and LACs (highest ranked LAC is Wesleyan University at #34):

https://philosophy-colleges.com

what a weird list - esp missing Pitt and Rutgers near top, since they are usually ranked in top spots

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The weird trolls trying to force op’s kid into a university confuse me as to why they go on these threads.

OP, I’d seriously look at CMC.

NP to this thread. Your anger is irrational and unwarranted as posters are trying to present options to a curious parent.

I, too, would encourage OP's student to consider some National Universities due to the tiny number of students studying philosophy at each of the listed LACs. Plus, a graduate dept. in philosophy should give OP's son more options and better access & understanding of career paths because of the vastly greater number of philosophy students at elite National Universities.

I visiting the Chicago area, it would be easy for OP's student to visit both U Chicago & Northwestern University and make an appointment with the head of each school's philosophy dept. For one intending to apply ED, there are significant advantages to applying ED at either of U Chicago or Northwestern University. LAC ED1 tends to be dominated by recruited athletes at most of the top rated LACs.

Curious as to why Swarthmore College has not been mentioned in this thread (maybe I missed it if it has been).

OP: Also consider the more practical major of P,P,&E (Politics, Philosophy, & Economics) which is offered at several elite colleges & universities.

OP: Here is a list that ranks (2024) undergraduate philosophy programs in a combined ranking of both National Universities and LACs (highest ranked LAC is Wesleyan University at #34):

https://philosophy-colleges.com

what a weird list - esp missing Pitt and Rutgers near top, since they are usually ranked in top spots

Agree that Rutgers NB and U Pittsburgh have strong graduate programs in philosophy (QS World Rankings), but not as certain about the undergraduate programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

This is a tough one. I would ED1 to CMC. It will help and it is a far more desirable outcome than Midd or Wes, where kid is likely headed after a likely ED1 rejection from Williams, Bowdoin, or Pomona.

CMC is a great school but the idea that it is "a far more desirable outcome than Midd or Wes" is laughable.

Yeah, it’s fine to have personal preferences and opinions, but the idea that there is any meaningful distinction in quality of students/education/outcomes among these three schools is very silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

The order in which you listed the student’s qualifications is very telling. Full pay first? I always laugh at that because you seem to be suggesting that because you’re rich you’re getting an edge. These schools all have huge endowments and are need blind. No one cares about your ability to pay. It is such a sense of entitlement to suggest otherwise. You can’t buy everything.

Perhaps she should have said "not asking for a discount." Would that make you feel better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find feeder schools to be a big hook at Williams. They seem to take a lot URM kids via questbridge and their internal program and then nyc kids from privates. If that's you, talk to your college counselor.

NYC privates not longer send many to Williams. Horace Mann's big targets are Chicago, Cornell, Columbia, and Georgetown.
SWAP take a lot of URM, FG, LI in the ED round.

Not true....ask me how I know

Cute. But it's all public information so there is no need for rumor mill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

The order in which you listed the student’s qualifications is very telling. Full pay first? I always laugh at that because you seem to be suggesting that because you’re rich you’re getting an edge. These schools all have huge endowments and are need blind. No one cares about your ability to pay. It is such a sense of entitlement to suggest otherwise. You can’t buy everything.

OP said full pay to limit the conversation to admissions strategy and not financial strategy of doing ED.

Uh huh, sure. Followed by “feeder private school” as number 2. Then she started talking about the actual kid.

Get real.

Give it up? Are you that bored at work?
Troll somewhere else lame mom whose kids are fully grown.
Why do you keep coming here!!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find feeder schools to be a big hook at Williams. They seem to take a lot URM kids via questbridge and their internal program and then nyc kids from privates. If that's you, talk to your college counselor.

Agree with this.
Op should talk to her CCO with direct questions.

[Anonymous]

Why isn’t bowdoin for ED? Is it bc. He’s not an athlete?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know 2 unhooked kids who got into Amherst ED this year. But all these LACs are very small and overrepresented with athletes in ED1. I'd definitely take a look at Brown.

There’s almost 0 overlap with these schools and brown

Wes is a target for Brown applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

The order in which you listed the student’s qualifications is very telling. Full pay first? I always laugh at that because you seem to be suggesting that because you’re rich you’re getting an edge. These schools all have huge endowments and are need blind. No one cares about your ability to pay. It is such a sense of entitlement to suggest otherwise. You can’t buy everything.

Perhaps she should have said "not asking for a discount." Would that make you feel better?

What would have made me "feel better" would be OP simply (1) listing the schools and the planned major, (2) identifying the student as a strong student at a top private, and (3) soliciting advice on which one to ED1 from a strategic and academic interest standpoint. That's all that needs to be said. The rest means nothing without context that OP is not about to disclose.

And, of course, I always wonder why posters with strong students at so-called top privates have to come here and seek advice from anonymous posters who know a lot less than the guidance office that surely the "top private" has -- and also, unless the anonymous posters here, also has ALL the context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The weird trolls trying to force op’s kid into a university confuse me as to why they go on these threads.

OP, I’d seriously look at CMC.

^THIS. People have a hard time believing that some kids just prefer LACs. My oldest is at Brown, our D26 will be applying this fall & she won't be applying to any Ivies, she much prefers smaller classes, individualized attention and a more personal experience. Her profile is very similar to her brother's (same ECs, GPA, etc.) but she'll be applying only to LACs.

[Anonymous]

Maybe consider how each school handles ED--are some kids deferred to RD or waitlist or is it just accept/reject? I have to think if they defer ED to RD or waitlisted it gives students a small leg up during RD as the school would know they were the first choice initially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:full pay
feeder private hs
3.8 most rigorous
male
humanities (philosophy) with EC/research to back up
1520
school leadership
unhooked

trying to narrow down ed1 .. like all right now.
williams, bowdoin, pomona, cmc.

feel good about Midd or Wes for ED2.

our naviance isn't very helpful because we have a lot of very hooked kids.

The order in which you listed the student’s qualifications is very telling. Full pay first? I always laugh at that because you seem to be suggesting that because you’re rich you’re getting an edge. These schools all have huge endowments and are need blind. No one cares about your ability to pay. It is such a sense of entitlement to suggest otherwise. You can’t buy everything.

Perhaps she should have said "not asking for a discount." Would that make you feel better?

I think OP did it in the right way. Full pay and private school provided two critical information, and should be listed first. Full pay sets you in a different pool. Private school, again, sets you in a different pool. Unhooked sets you in a different pool.

With these background information, reading of the stats in that context begins to make sense.