pre-college notetaking class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do not do this without your professors permission. Without prior permission this is a violation of the honor code and certain laws. Generally only students with disability accommodations are permitted this option and they must still discuss it with each of their instructors in advance.

You live in lala land…. DS is at any Ivy. He is a Senior and like the PP mentioned, he told me that basically 70% of his classmates are doing exactly what was described earlier. Record/Transcribe and use an AI tool like Claude/Gemini/NotebookLM or Open AI to create a nice report for each lecture along with a summary of main concepts, quizzes etc. Nobody is asking professors for permissions. They use their cell phones and IPads. It is what it is.

No, it's not lala land - it's real university policy for a lot of reasons that go way beyond the preferences of students. Students (and parents, apparently) don't have to like it, but they do deserve to know that unauthorized recording is a violation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a study skills or notetaking class you recommend for incoming college freshmen?
Online or in person?

Get ChatGPT or copilot to summarize the lecture. Done and done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what does this mean for kids with accommodations? Are they doomed to never really learn? I am not being snarky. Genuine concern.

SmartPen technology can link up recording time marks with what a student writes down in a special notebook. Or some of my accommodated students will use a recording and make notes of their own later when they can pause the file, for example. If they physically can't make notes, they can duplicate the process by summarizing in their own words (even into a voice recorder). The point is that they have to do the thinking part themselves rather than letting machines do it all. As long as they take an active role in the thinking, they will be able to do the learning. But just having advance possession of the PowerPoint slides doesn't do it.

[Anonymous]

Why not just set up your phone or laptop to record and then leave? Why even go to class at all? Heck, you could work a FT job while in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just had a flashback to the notes class our HS had us take before 9th grade. We learned Cornell notetaking.

They teach Cornell notetaking at NCS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what does this mean for kids with accommodations? Are they doomed to never really learn? I am not being snarky. Genuine concern.

My daughter has dyslexia and dysgraphia and has note taking accommodations. With copies of the notes in advance she can prereqd the materials and the notes and be prepared to ask questions to clarify anything she doesn’t understand from the lectures. Reading is slower for her, so she has to work ahead. After class she will make her own summary, often using pictures, mind maps etc to solicit the content in her memory. She finds it most efficient to study from her own notes.

She does use AI to prepare quizzes from material too. It is an amazing tool, but it doesn’t learn for you, it helps put the material into a more individually tailored learnable format.

And she is working on her PhD in OT, so the notes accommodation she had in high school didn’t prevent her from learning in any way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do not do this without your professors permission. Without prior permission this is a violation of the honor code and certain laws. Generally only students with disability accommodations are permitted this option and they must still discuss it with each of their instructors in advance.

You live in lala land…. DS is at any Ivy. He is a Senior and like the PP mentioned, he told me that basically 70% of his classmates are doing exactly what was described earlier. Record/Transcribe and use an AI tool like Claude/Gemini/NotebookLM or Open AI to create a nice report for each lecture along with a summary of main concepts, quizzes etc. Nobody is asking professors for permissions. They use their cell phones and IPads. It is what it is.

It is disheartening to know that 70% of Ivy students are willfully violating the academic honor code because everyone else is doing it. And that you think I’m the one who is crazy for saying students should comply with an academic integrity document they willingly signed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what does this mean for kids with accommodations? Are they doomed to never really learn? I am not being snarky. Genuine concern.

They aren't "doomed" to never learn, but they have to figure out other strategies to make up for the disability that requires accommodations. Having a disability makes everything harder -- high school has been really difficult for my child. This is why I get angry when people talk about accommodations as an unfair advantage -- having a disability that needs accommodating is not an advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not just set up your phone or laptop to record and then leave? Why even go to class at all? Heck, you could work a FT job while in college.

Many classes require attendance, and being there in person makes it easier to engage with the content, especially if you're not worried about transcribing any tidbits the professor might throw out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do not do this without your professors permission. Without prior permission this is a violation of the honor code and certain laws. Generally only students with disability accommodations are permitted this option and they must still discuss it with each of their instructors in advance.

You live in lala land…. DS is at any Ivy. He is a Senior and like the PP mentioned, he told me that basically 70% of his classmates are doing exactly what was described earlier. Record/Transcribe and use an AI tool like Claude/Gemini/NotebookLM or Open AI to create a nice report for each lecture along with a summary of main concepts, quizzes etc. Nobody is asking professors for permissions. They use their cell phones and IPads. It is what it is.

It is disheartening to know that 70% of Ivy students are willfully violating the academic honor code because everyone else is doing it. And that you think I’m the one who is crazy for saying students should comply with an academic integrity document they willingly signed.

What part of the honor code applies? Honest question. Creating AI notes is not the same as turning in an aI paper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what does this mean for kids with accommodations? Are they doomed to never really learn? I am not being snarky. Genuine concern.

My daughter has dyslexia and dysgraphia and has note taking accommodations. With copies of the notes in advance she can prereqd the materials and the notes and be prepared to ask questions to clarify anything she doesn’t understand from the lectures. Reading is slower for her, so she has to work ahead. After class she will make her own summary, often using pictures, mind maps etc to solicit the content in her memory. She finds it most efficient to study from her own notes.

She does use AI to prepare quizzes from material too. It is an amazing tool, but it doesn’t learn for you, it helps put the material into a more individually tailored learnable format.

And she is working on her PhD in OT, so the notes accommodation she had in high school didn’t prevent her from learning in any way.

Does she use a special AI tool or prompt to convert the material into a format that works for her? My kid should be doing this. Not sure what tools to suggest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do not do this without your professors permission. Without prior permission this is a violation of the honor code and certain laws. Generally only students with disability accommodations are permitted this option and they must still discuss it with each of their instructors in advance.

You live in lala land…. DS is at any Ivy. He is a Senior and like the PP mentioned, he told me that basically 70% of his classmates are doing exactly what was described earlier. Record/Transcribe and use an AI tool like Claude/Gemini/NotebookLM or Open AI to create a nice report for each lecture along with a summary of main concepts, quizzes etc. Nobody is asking professors for permissions. They use their cell phones and IPads. It is what it is.

It is disheartening to know that 70% of Ivy students are willfully violating the academic honor code because everyone else is doing it. And that you think I’m the one who is crazy for saying students should comply with an academic integrity document they willingly signed.

What part of the honor code applies? Honest question. Creating AI notes is not the same as turning in an aI paper.

In some states it is against the law to record classroom lectures without prior permission (eg Pennsylvania). Under any circumstances there can be privacy concerns and potential copyright violations which is why recording of lectures without prior permission is generally prohibited across all universities.

I cannot speak to each section of each schools honor code. The issue isn’t using AI to summarize notes, the issue is recording lectures without permission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do not do this without your professors permission. Without prior permission this is a violation of the honor code and certain laws. Generally only students with disability accommodations are permitted this option and they must still discuss it with each of their instructors in advance.

Don't be such a rule-following Karen. No one has any way of knowing that a student is running a voice-recording app on their phone, as long as the kid isn't totally stupid about it and doesn't broadcast it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do not do this without your professors permission. Without prior permission this is a violation of the honor code and certain laws. Generally only students with disability accommodations are permitted this option and they must still discuss it with each of their instructors in advance.

Don't be such a rule-following Karen. No one has any way of knowing that a student is running a voice-recording app on their phone, as long as the kid isn't totally stupid about it and doesn't broadcast it.

Also, another tip, if you have ADHD you can get an accommodation to record the lecture and professors have to allow it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These idiots that think AI will do the same thing as note writing need to take a neurology class.

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