pre-college notetaking class

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Anonymous wrote:If my students who don't have classroom accommodations (and I know who the accommodated students are: I have their paperwork) are _not_ taking notes, it makes me assume all kinds of things about their academic work before they ever turn anything in. And most of my assumptions turn out to be true.

If you don't have a need for learning accommodations, take notes, by hand, on paper, with a pen, while the professor is speaking. It is one of the best ways to learn, and annotating on a computer doesn't do it. Neither does recording class on your phone and assuming that just because you have it you know it. Or you could know it.

Yeah, why bother thinking when you can be transcribing?
Oh, because the school threw away the textbooks except for the one the teacher reads to you.

[Anonymous]

Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my students who don't have classroom accommodations (and I know who the accommodated students are: I have their paperwork) are _not_ taking notes, it makes me assume all kinds of things about their academic work before they ever turn anything in. And most of my assumptions turn out to be true.

If you don't have a need for learning accommodations, take notes, by hand, on paper, with a pen, while the professor is speaking. It is one of the best ways to learn, and annotating on a computer doesn't do it. Neither does recording class on your phone and assuming that just because you have it you know it. Or you could know it.

Yeah, why bother thinking when you can be transcribing?
Oh, because the school threw away the textbooks except for the one the teacher reads to you.

Same PP. The whole point of taking notes is that notetaking is _not_ transcribing. It is pulling out important ideas and summarizing them, making lists of key words and ideas, jotting down reminders of what to look up later, creating an outline of the lecture... It is about the furthest thing in the world from transcribing, which is why it is a learning experience. Kids who haven't been taught _not_ to transcribe quickly get lost and discouraged.

[Anonymous]

These idiots that think AI will do the same thing as note writing need to take a neurology class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god….Get him OTTER.AI and NotebookLM.
It will change his life and make him super organized and effective.

record Lectures with Otter AI. Then export transcripted lecture to notebookLM.

get the online versions of the Textbooks and upload to the same folder no NotebookLM and Boom! You are way ahead than 99% of the people.

What the heck is this?

Your kids will know. If they dont, tell them to research it. This whole “buy a notebook” BS is old and never going to fly. Waste of time. We live in a tech world and there are tools that EVERY smart student is using right now. Just google OTTER AI and NOTEBOOKLM and you can see. What i suggested is the way to go. You can focus on the classroom while Otter AI records and transcribes the WHOLE class. You can them add this to notebookLM and have it create a full document about the class along with a summary of the most important concepts and even a create a Quiz for you. It will even create a short, medium or long podcast about the subject, It makes learning super easy. You have to really TRY to not want to learn with these tools.

Yes, but...

...AI is very, *very* often wrong about what is important or even correct.
...The point of attending class isn't to have a real-time snapshot of content. It's to interact with new material rapidly, in real time, and perform the difficult intellectual act of following key ideas and distilling them into a personal record of your own learning.
...Passive listening (which is manifestly not "focusing on the classroom") followed by listening again to a machine summary followed by a self-validating quiz at the level of an HR training doesn't comprise learning, doesn't instill knowledge, and doesn't create understanding. If it did we'd just all watch YouTube and take personality quizzes instead of going to college.
...Recording class without learning accommodations and permission isn't just an intellectual-property concern. It's also a privacy problem for the other people in the room, especially if the content is sensitive.
...Pretend this was how your surgeon got through med school: never lifted a pen, cracked a book, or wrote their own lab report. Ready for your surgery?
...Or pretend your kid came home from a really expensive school and bragged that all they had to do was make sure at least one friend AI-ed every class, and then they were good to go. Barely knew any of their professors, never bought the books, almost never went to class, pulled off Ds with just enough Cs not to get kicked out. How are those internship applications going?

Learning takes work. And no one and nothing can learn for you. Learning is self-transformation.

[Anonymous]

So what does this mean for kids with accommodations? Are they doomed to never really learn? I am not being snarky. Genuine concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do not do this without your professors permission. Without prior permission this is a violation of the honor code and certain laws. Generally only students with disability accommodations are permitted this option and they must still discuss it with each of their instructors in advance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do teachers let you do this and does it work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Learning how to learn by Barbara Oakley ( there's a MOOC)
How to be a 4.0 student by cal Newport
How to take smart notes by sonke ahrens
Ultralearning by Scott Young
Understanding how we learn: a visual guide

YouTubers I recommend: Benjamin Keep, Justin Sung. For Obsidian, Nicole van der Hoeven

Are these books?

Yes. The first one is also a MOOC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god….Get him OTTER.AI and NotebookLM.
It will change his life and make him super organized and effective.

record Lectures with Otter AI. Then export transcripted lecture to notebookLM.

get the online versions of the Textbooks and upload to the same folder no NotebookLM and Boom! You are way ahead than 99% of the people.

What the heck is this?

Your kids will know. If they dont, tell them to research it. This whole “buy a notebook” BS is old and never going to fly. Waste of time. We live in a tech world and there are tools that EVERY smart student is using right now. Just google OTTER AI and NOTEBOOKLM and you can see. What i suggested is the way to go. You can focus on the classroom while Otter AI records and transcribes the WHOLE class. You can them add this to notebookLM and have it create a full document about the class along with a summary of the most important concepts and even a create a Quiz for you. It will even create a short, medium or long podcast about the subject, It makes learning super easy. You have to really TRY to not want to learn with these tools.

Yes, but...

...AI is very, *very* often wrong about what is important or even correct.
...The point of attending class isn't to have a real-time snapshot of content. It's to interact with new material rapidly, in real time, and perform the difficult intellectual act of following key ideas and distilling them into a personal record of your own learning.
...Passive listening (which is manifestly not "focusing on the classroom") followed by listening again to a machine summary followed by a self-validating quiz at the level of an HR training doesn't comprise learning, doesn't instill knowledge, and doesn't create understanding. If it did we'd just all watch YouTube and take personality quizzes instead of going to college.
...Recording class without learning accommodations and permission isn't just an intellectual-property concern. It's also a privacy problem for the other people in the room, especially if the content is sensitive.
...Pretend this was how your surgeon got through med school: never lifted a pen, cracked a book, or wrote their own lab report. Ready for your surgery?
...Or pretend your kid came home from a really expensive school and bragged that all they had to do was make sure at least one friend AI-ed every class, and then they were good to go. Barely knew any of their professors, never bought the books, almost never went to class, pulled off Ds with just enough Cs not to get kicked out. How are those internship applications going?

Learning takes work. And no one and nothing can learn for you. Learning is self-transformation.

I've never seen AI with access to a document make a mistake summarizing it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god….Get him OTTER.AI and NotebookLM.
It will change his life and make him super organized and effective.

record Lectures with Otter AI. Then export transcripted lecture to notebookLM.

get the online versions of the Textbooks and upload to the same folder no NotebookLM and Boom! You are way ahead than 99% of the people.

What the heck is this?

Your kids will know. If they dont, tell them to research it. This whole “buy a notebook” BS is old and never going to fly. Waste of time. We live in a tech world and there are tools that EVERY smart student is using right now. Just google OTTER AI and NOTEBOOKLM and you can see. What i suggested is the way to go. You can focus on the classroom while Otter AI records and transcribes the WHOLE class. You can them add this to notebookLM and have it create a full document about the class along with a summary of the most important concepts and even a create a Quiz for you. It will even create a short, medium or long podcast about the subject, It makes learning super easy. You have to really TRY to not want to learn with these tools.

Yes, but...

...AI is very, *very* often wrong about what is important or even correct.
...The point of attending class isn't to have a real-time snapshot of content. It's to interact with new material rapidly, in real time, and perform the difficult intellectual act of following key ideas and distilling them into a personal record of your own learning.
...Passive listening (which is manifestly not "focusing on the classroom") followed by listening again to a machine summary followed by a self-validating quiz at the level of an HR training doesn't comprise learning, doesn't instill knowledge, and doesn't create understanding. If it did we'd just all watch YouTube and take personality quizzes instead of going to college.
...Recording class without learning accommodations and permission isn't just an intellectual-property concern. It's also a privacy problem for the other people in the room, especially if the content is sensitive.
...Pretend this was how your surgeon got through med school: never lifted a pen, cracked a book, or wrote their own lab report. Ready for your surgery?
...Or pretend your kid came home from a really expensive school and bragged that all they had to do was make sure at least one friend AI-ed every class, and then they were good to go. Barely knew any of their professors, never bought the books, almost never went to class, pulled off Ds with just enough Cs not to get kicked out. How are those internship applications going?

Learning takes work. And no one and nothing can learn for you. Learning is self-transformation.

Medical school doesn't do "lab reports", and the best med students often stick to Anki for memorization and UWorld and other third and first party sources for past board exam questions. No pen or textbook cracking needed,

https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/1aqs02r/comment/kqevdcw/

https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/xu39uf/going_through_med_school_without_touching/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god….Get him OTTER.AI and NotebookLM.
It will change his life and make him super organized and effective.

record Lectures with Otter AI. Then export transcripted lecture to notebookLM.

get the online versions of the Textbooks and upload to the same folder no NotebookLM and Boom! You are way ahead than 99% of the people.

What the heck is this?

Your kids will know. If they dont, tell them to research it. This whole “buy a notebook” BS is old and never going to fly. Waste of time. We live in a tech world and there are tools that EVERY smart student is using right now. Just google OTTER AI and NOTEBOOKLM and you can see. What i suggested is the way to go. You can focus on the classroom while Otter AI records and transcribes the WHOLE class. You can them add this to notebookLM and have it create a full document about the class along with a summary of the most important concepts and even a create a Quiz for you. It will even create a short, medium or long podcast about the subject, It makes learning super easy. You have to really TRY to not want to learn with these tools.

Yes, but...

...AI is very, *very* often wrong about what is important or even correct.
...The point of attending class isn't to have a real-time snapshot of content. It's to interact with new material rapidly, in real time, and perform the difficult intellectual act of following key ideas and distilling them into a personal record of your own learning.
...Passive listening (which is manifestly not "focusing on the classroom") followed by listening again to a machine summary followed by a self-validating quiz at the level of an HR training doesn't comprise learning, doesn't instill knowledge, and doesn't create understanding. If it did we'd just all watch YouTube and take personality quizzes instead of going to college.
...Recording class without learning accommodations and permission isn't just an intellectual-property concern. It's also a privacy problem for the other people in the room, especially if the content is sensitive.
...Pretend this was how your surgeon got through med school: never lifted a pen, cracked a book, or wrote their own lab report. Ready for your surgery?
...Or pretend your kid came home from a really expensive school and bragged that all they had to do was make sure at least one friend AI-ed every class, and then they were good to go. Barely knew any of their professors, never bought the books, almost never went to class, pulled off Ds with just enough Cs not to get kicked out. How are those internship applications going?

Learning takes work. And no one and nothing can learn for you. Learning is self-transformation.

No you are wrong. Single source document summary is never wrong. Specially with the latest versions. You can cruy about it all your want. The fact is that I can learn the material from a 3 hour class pretty quickly with these tools. Clearly you have not tried it yet or have not been to any top 10 classroom lately. At my school (I’m a Junior at a t10) 90% of the kids in my class are doing this protocol or something very similar. It is a much more efficient way to learn. You get to pay attention in class and interact with your professor. You then have the whole class transcribed and a nice document is created for you for the whole class (not a summary). You can then ask questions and get your answers. If there is a topic in class you were a little confused, you can create a podcast of that specific question and interact with it. The most difficult subjects, if I pay attention in class, it will take me 45 minutes later in that day to master every single concept.

You can leave in past and sink or live in the present. It does take work to learn. But please, be efficient with the work and you can learn faster. It has worked for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do not do this without your professors permission. Without prior permission this is a violation of the honor code and certain laws. Generally only students with disability accommodations are permitted this option and they must still discuss it with each of their instructors in advance.

You live in lala land…. DS is at any Ivy. He is a Senior and like the PP mentioned, he told me that basically 70% of his classmates are doing exactly what was described earlier. Record/Transcribe and use an AI tool like Claude/Gemini/NotebookLM or Open AI to create a nice report for each lecture along with a summary of main concepts, quizzes etc. Nobody is asking professors for permissions. They use their cell phones and IPads. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Record lectures and have AI create notes from the recordings.

Do not do this without your professors permission. Without prior permission this is a violation of the honor code and certain laws. Generally only students with disability accommodations are permitted this option and they must still discuss it with each of their instructors in advance.

You live in lala land…. DS is at any Ivy. He is a Senior and like the PP mentioned, he told me that basically 70% of his classmates are doing exactly what was described earlier. Record/Transcribe and use an AI tool like Claude/Gemini/NotebookLM or Open AI to create a nice report for each lecture along with a summary of main concepts, quizzes etc. Nobody is asking professors for permissions. They use their cell phones and IPads. It is what it is.

+1. This is what we do at work as well. No one takes notes the old way anymore, so why waste time on this skill? Better to learn how to use AI to be better at your job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh god….Get him OTTER.AI and NotebookLM.
It will change his life and make him super organized and effective.

record Lectures with Otter AI. Then export transcripted lecture to notebookLM.

get the online versions of the Textbooks and upload to the same folder no NotebookLM and Boom! You are way ahead than 99% of the people.

What the heck is this?

Your kids will know. If they dont, tell them to research it. This whole “buy a notebook” BS is old and never going to fly. Waste of time. We live in a tech world and there are tools that EVERY smart student is using right now. Just google OTTER AI and NOTEBOOKLM and you can see. What i suggested is the way to go. You can focus on the classroom while Otter AI records and transcribes the WHOLE class. You can them add this to notebookLM and have it create a full document about the class along with a summary of the most important concepts and even a create a Quiz for you. It will even create a short, medium or long podcast about the subject, It makes learning super easy. You have to really TRY to not want to learn with these tools.

Yes, but...

...AI is very, *very* often wrong about what is important or even correct.
...The point of attending class isn't to have a real-time snapshot of content. It's to interact with new material rapidly, in real time, and perform the difficult intellectual act of following key ideas and distilling them into a personal record of your own learning.
...Passive listening (which is manifestly not "focusing on the classroom") followed by listening again to a machine summary followed by a self-validating quiz at the level of an HR training doesn't comprise learning, doesn't instill knowledge, and doesn't create understanding. If it did we'd just all watch YouTube and take personality quizzes instead of going to college.
...Recording class without learning accommodations and permission isn't just an intellectual-property concern. It's also a privacy problem for the other people in the room, especially if the content is sensitive.
...Pretend this was how your surgeon got through med school: never lifted a pen, cracked a book, or wrote their own lab report. Ready for your surgery?
...Or pretend your kid came home from a really expensive school and bragged that all they had to do was make sure at least one friend AI-ed every class, and then they were good to go. Barely knew any of their professors, never bought the books, almost never went to class, pulled off Ds with just enough Cs not to get kicked out. How are those internship applications going?

Learning takes work. And no one and nothing can learn for you. Learning is self-transformation.

No you are wrong. Single source document summary is never wrong. Specially with the latest versions. You can cruy about it all your want. The fact is that I can learn the material from a 3 hour class pretty quickly with these tools. Clearly you have not tried it yet or have not been to any top 10 classroom lately. At my school (I’m a Junior at a t10) 90% of the kids in my class are doing this protocol or something very similar. It is a much more efficient way to learn. You get to pay attention in class and interact with your professor. You then have the whole class transcribed and a nice document is created for you for the whole class (not a summary). You can then ask questions and get your answers. If there is a topic in class you were a little confused, you can create a podcast of that specific question and interact with it. The most difficult subjects, if I pay attention in class, it will take me 45 minutes later in that day to master every single concept.

You can leave in past and sink or live in the present. It does take work to learn. But please, be efficient with the work and you can learn faster. It has worked for me.

I am a university department chair who has contact with many, many more students snd experiences and whose institution is all in on AI. So I do know a little about teaching and learning. The reason you are learning is that you are reviewing material after class, which is a great thing to do. You are also cutting out the opportunity to interact with the material as it is being presented by not taking notes in the classroom (unless you are doing that and not saying so). But you are learning enough to be successful in your environment - which might also be field-specific. Consumer-facing AI is pretty bad at a lot of things, including my own field.